spincricket
08-25-2005, 07:57 PM
I am happy with xp, don't see why i would need to use linux. But i just want to know why have you decided to se linux.
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bryant_2004
08-25-2005, 07:59 PM
I don't use Linux, I use windows Xp. I also do not see what the fuss is about, on my computers, it seems MORE SLOWER than Windows, Takes a longer time to boot than Windows, and Windows has been plenty stable enough.
spincricket
08-25-2005, 08:04 PM
Plus, linux doesnt support microsoft office right? Which means in order to be able to use it you still need windows, and linux for all the other mysterious stuff people use it for.
Time-Pilot
08-25-2005, 08:09 PM
Now for something completely different.... I use Linux as my primary OS, was Redhat until Suse started coming into play.
The why? Professionally speaking we have huge systems that run Windows, gigantic football sized rooms of Windows hardware stacked floor to ceiling, however we have A LOT more Unix/Linux/AIX on the business side of things.
Secondly, and if you work in IT this is pretty simple to grasp, but you make more money spanning multiple platforms, then you do just working on Wintel, in most instances Wintel only engineers are somewhat career limited.
But again, you still ask why? What if I told you Linux was powerful enough to allow me to manage Win2k/2K3/XP/NT without ever logging into a Windows box?
Well it can be done, and in fact it's easier then using the traditional tools.
In short I use Suse 9.3 today, and it boots quicker then my XP machines, runs faster, and is generally more stable and more forgiving when it comes to driver updates and patches. I almost never have to reboot to install drivers, and I don't have to apply 12 new patches on the second Tuesday of every month.
Would I use it for gaming? Nope. I suppose if there was a CS:S or BF2 port I would, but it’s more of a professional product I suppose.
EDIT: For the above question, Linux has it's own form of Office, for free in fact and I can manage, edit and read all of my Word/Excel docs form any of my other machines.
The why? Professionally speaking we have huge systems that run Windows, gigantic football sized rooms of Windows hardware stacked floor to ceiling, however we have A LOT more Unix/Linux/AIX on the business side of things.
Secondly, and if you work in IT this is pretty simple to grasp, but you make more money spanning multiple platforms, then you do just working on Wintel, in most instances Wintel only engineers are somewhat career limited.
But again, you still ask why? What if I told you Linux was powerful enough to allow me to manage Win2k/2K3/XP/NT without ever logging into a Windows box?
Well it can be done, and in fact it's easier then using the traditional tools.
In short I use Suse 9.3 today, and it boots quicker then my XP machines, runs faster, and is generally more stable and more forgiving when it comes to driver updates and patches. I almost never have to reboot to install drivers, and I don't have to apply 12 new patches on the second Tuesday of every month.
Would I use it for gaming? Nope. I suppose if there was a CS:S or BF2 port I would, but it’s more of a professional product I suppose.
EDIT: For the above question, Linux has it's own form of Office, for free in fact and I can manage, edit and read all of my Word/Excel docs form any of my other machines.
CaptainMorgan
08-25-2005, 08:14 PM
This topic was raised in the past and covered extensively.
To sum up, Linux offers more universal system control than does Xp. Basically, in my opinion, Xp is for users that don't care for system operations, only wishes to use their OS to get other things done and fast... typically for businesses that desire immediate output.. while the same holds true for Linux, it is for the techie at heart, those who wish to disect the system and truly customize it to their individual tastes. Due to licensing and kernel copyrighting laws, M$ prevents this.
There was a good debate last October here about this very topic, very informative and eye opening. I suggest a search, if you find it post it here. Great topic - had a lot of power users' views on both systems.
:cheers:
To sum up, Linux offers more universal system control than does Xp. Basically, in my opinion, Xp is for users that don't care for system operations, only wishes to use their OS to get other things done and fast... typically for businesses that desire immediate output.. while the same holds true for Linux, it is for the techie at heart, those who wish to disect the system and truly customize it to their individual tastes. Due to licensing and kernel copyrighting laws, M$ prevents this.
There was a good debate last October here about this very topic, very informative and eye opening. I suggest a search, if you find it post it here. Great topic - had a lot of power users' views on both systems.
:cheers:
spincricket
08-25-2005, 08:17 PM
is linux open source?
CaptainMorgan
08-25-2005, 08:19 PM
All your questions answered... (http://www.google.com)
:cheers:
:cheers:
The Anaconda
08-25-2005, 08:20 PM
is linux open source?
linux is the grandaddy of open source ;)
linux is the grandaddy of open source ;)
abf
08-25-2005, 10:31 PM
i use linux for a few reasons:
1) security. hell, its nice not having to worry about spyware and viruses. to tell you the truth, i have no antivirus or spyware scanner on my linux boxes, just a firewall
2) stablity. although problems with XP are rare, they are even rarer in linux
3) pools of free software. since just about 99% of all linux titles are free software, that makes getting the program you want a snap and a half...for FREE.
4) ease of use, namly software install. just pop-up Synaptic (or xterm) and apt-get anything i like. don't have to go google for it, then download, and then install, all is done in 1 easy step that anyone can do FAST.
and for the MS Office comment:
you can run MS Office if you get crossover office program. However, why would you need it? You can just use OOo and it will take care of everything.
as for boot times, i've seen it both ways, sometimes windows is faster, sometimes its linux.
1) security. hell, its nice not having to worry about spyware and viruses. to tell you the truth, i have no antivirus or spyware scanner on my linux boxes, just a firewall
2) stablity. although problems with XP are rare, they are even rarer in linux
3) pools of free software. since just about 99% of all linux titles are free software, that makes getting the program you want a snap and a half...for FREE.
4) ease of use, namly software install. just pop-up Synaptic (or xterm) and apt-get anything i like. don't have to go google for it, then download, and then install, all is done in 1 easy step that anyone can do FAST.
and for the MS Office comment:
you can run MS Office if you get crossover office program. However, why would you need it? You can just use OOo and it will take care of everything.
as for boot times, i've seen it both ways, sometimes windows is faster, sometimes its linux.
bob505
08-25-2005, 11:12 PM
I also use Linux for my primary OS but I do use Windows for some things (mostly gaming). Why do you assume Windows is the default? As Linux is free and Windows isn’t should the conversation be why does one need Windows? Regardless, if one goes along with your question…
All the arguments about stability, viruses, cost (acceptable or not we all no Windows is equally as “free” in terms of cost if you really want), cross compatibly/internetworking and hard ware support are mostly irrelevant if either system is run correctly. Some of the most noticeable reasons that I use Linux on my systems are:
Portage and other software libraries – It so much easier to simply type “emerge [program name here]” then it is to find/download/install one especially if said program’s Windows equivalent is expensive (e.g. the Gimp vs. Photoshop). This also makes updating a ton easier. Would you prefer looking for updates to the OS and all installed programs separately or just typing “emerge –u world”.
Stability of programs – I’ll grant that Windows itself is more stable then people tend to give it credit for (still less then Linux even with a very competent windows admin). However many Windows programs fail especially if left running for long periods of time (e.g. torrenting a file that takes a week+), I have not had this problem nearly as much with the Linux equivalents. Even when the rare problems arises a simple ctrl+alt+backspace fixes things a considerable amount better/faster then the ctrl+alt+del of Windows. One rarely sees poorly done software for Linux. When people see something they don’t like the source code is freely available and people change it themselves and submit their changes.
Ease of use – You really don’t know what your missing until you’ve tried Linux. Whenever I try and use my windows machine I just tend to get more and more aggravated by the small stuff. Granted it takes a certain amount of skill/knowledge to get a Linux machine running, but that’s mostly limited to the ability to google and read. Things such as being able to maximize a Windows and then shrink it over by dragging the edge and having the windows snap together, put a file in more then one location without a copy, put a different hard drive somewhere other then as a different tree base (e.g. put a hdd in a folder instead of a different letter), searching a group of files for a keywords (e.g. “grep Failed/ Logon ~\logs”, and more are irritatingly missing from Windows. These are available for Windows but they require lots of unnecessary plug-ins.
Xine media player - I have yet to find a media format that this can’t natively play and I have seen a lot of bizarre ones. Even the best Windows players with the best codec packs I can find tend to freak out sometimes and it’s just a pain in the ass to find them all anyway. Since I use my Linux system largely as a video machine, this is important.
SSH remote logon – This is clearly the best/easy to set up remote logon and fileserver tool I have seen. I find it hard to believe I ever got along with out it now.
Although many of the programs/features mentioned above do have Windows ports, they run much the same as running a native Windows program in wine: buggy and slow. Although these don’t seem like much, let’s compare it with the entire list of reasons why I use Windows: gaming, and even that’s starting to erode. Of course it’s not about trying to convert other people and that just my opinion
Oh and best of all: no grammar Nazis (ok, that’s a preemptive flame and I’m sorry)
All the arguments about stability, viruses, cost (acceptable or not we all no Windows is equally as “free” in terms of cost if you really want), cross compatibly/internetworking and hard ware support are mostly irrelevant if either system is run correctly. Some of the most noticeable reasons that I use Linux on my systems are:
Portage and other software libraries – It so much easier to simply type “emerge [program name here]” then it is to find/download/install one especially if said program’s Windows equivalent is expensive (e.g. the Gimp vs. Photoshop). This also makes updating a ton easier. Would you prefer looking for updates to the OS and all installed programs separately or just typing “emerge –u world”.
Stability of programs – I’ll grant that Windows itself is more stable then people tend to give it credit for (still less then Linux even with a very competent windows admin). However many Windows programs fail especially if left running for long periods of time (e.g. torrenting a file that takes a week+), I have not had this problem nearly as much with the Linux equivalents. Even when the rare problems arises a simple ctrl+alt+backspace fixes things a considerable amount better/faster then the ctrl+alt+del of Windows. One rarely sees poorly done software for Linux. When people see something they don’t like the source code is freely available and people change it themselves and submit their changes.
Ease of use – You really don’t know what your missing until you’ve tried Linux. Whenever I try and use my windows machine I just tend to get more and more aggravated by the small stuff. Granted it takes a certain amount of skill/knowledge to get a Linux machine running, but that’s mostly limited to the ability to google and read. Things such as being able to maximize a Windows and then shrink it over by dragging the edge and having the windows snap together, put a file in more then one location without a copy, put a different hard drive somewhere other then as a different tree base (e.g. put a hdd in a folder instead of a different letter), searching a group of files for a keywords (e.g. “grep Failed/ Logon ~\logs”, and more are irritatingly missing from Windows. These are available for Windows but they require lots of unnecessary plug-ins.
Xine media player - I have yet to find a media format that this can’t natively play and I have seen a lot of bizarre ones. Even the best Windows players with the best codec packs I can find tend to freak out sometimes and it’s just a pain in the ass to find them all anyway. Since I use my Linux system largely as a video machine, this is important.
SSH remote logon – This is clearly the best/easy to set up remote logon and fileserver tool I have seen. I find it hard to believe I ever got along with out it now.
Although many of the programs/features mentioned above do have Windows ports, they run much the same as running a native Windows program in wine: buggy and slow. Although these don’t seem like much, let’s compare it with the entire list of reasons why I use Windows: gaming, and even that’s starting to erode. Of course it’s not about trying to convert other people and that just my opinion
Oh and best of all: no grammar Nazis (ok, that’s a preemptive flame and I’m sorry)
YankeeDeuce
08-25-2005, 11:15 PM
I use Windows just because I am a gamer.
bryant_2004
08-26-2005, 12:20 AM
I also use Linux for my primary OS but I do use Windows for some things (mostly gaming). Why do you assume Windows is the default? As Linux is free and Windows isn’t should the conversation be why does one need Windows? Regardless, if one goes along with your question…
All the arguments about stability, viruses, cost (acceptable or not we all no Windows is equally as “free” in terms of cost if you really want), cross compatibly/internetworking and hard ware support are mostly irrelevant if either system is run correctly. Some of the most noticeable reasons that I use Linux on my systems are:
Portage and other software libraries – It so much easier to simply type “emerge [program name here]” then it is to find/download/install one especially if said program’s Windows equivalent is expensive (e.g. the Gimp vs. Photoshop). This also makes updating a ton easier. Would you prefer looking for updates to the OS and all installed programs separately or just typing “emerge –u world”.
Stability of programs – I’ll grant that Windows itself is more stable then people tend to give it credit for (still less then Linux even with a very competent windows admin). However many Windows programs fail especially if left running for long periods of time (e.g. torrenting a file that takes a week+), I have not had this problem nearly as much with the Linux equivalents. Even when the rare problems arises a simple ctrl+alt+backspace fixes things a considerable amount better/faster then the ctrl+alt+del of Windows. One rarely sees poorly done software for Linux. When people see something they don’t like the source code is freely available and people change it themselves and submit their changes.
Ease of use – You really don’t know what your missing until you’ve tried Linux. Whenever I try and use my windows machine I just tend to get more and more aggravated by the small stuff. Granted it takes a certain amount of skill/knowledge to get a Linux machine running, but that’s mostly limited to the ability to google and read. Things such as being able to maximize a Windows and then shrink it over by dragging the edge and having the windows snap together, put a file in more then one location without a copy, put a different hard drive somewhere other then as a different tree base (e.g. put a hdd in a folder instead of a different letter), searching a group of files for a keywords (e.g. “grep Failed/ Logon ~\logs”, and more are irritatingly missing from Windows. These are available for Windows but they require lots of unnecessary plug-ins.
Xine media player - I have yet to find a media format that this can’t natively play and I have seen a lot of bizarre ones. Even the best Windows players with the best codec packs I can find tend to freak out sometimes and it’s just a pain in the ass to find them all anyway. Since I use my Linux system largely as a video machine, this is important.
SSH remote logon – This is clearly the best/easy to set up remote logon and fileserver tool I have seen. I find it hard to believe I ever got along with out it now.
Although many of the programs/features mentioned above do have Windows ports, they run much the same as running a native Windows program in wine: buggy and slow. Although these don’t seem like much, let’s compare it with the entire list of reasons why I use Windows: gaming, and even that’s starting to erode. Of course it’s not about trying to convert other people and that just my opinion
Oh and best of all: no grammar Nazis (ok, that’s a preemptive flame and I’m sorry)
Ctrl Alt Backspace, resets the whole OS, in Linux.
Ctrl Alt Delete in Windows, allows you to shut down only the offending program causing the lockup.
All the arguments about stability, viruses, cost (acceptable or not we all no Windows is equally as “free” in terms of cost if you really want), cross compatibly/internetworking and hard ware support are mostly irrelevant if either system is run correctly. Some of the most noticeable reasons that I use Linux on my systems are:
Portage and other software libraries – It so much easier to simply type “emerge [program name here]” then it is to find/download/install one especially if said program’s Windows equivalent is expensive (e.g. the Gimp vs. Photoshop). This also makes updating a ton easier. Would you prefer looking for updates to the OS and all installed programs separately or just typing “emerge –u world”.
Stability of programs – I’ll grant that Windows itself is more stable then people tend to give it credit for (still less then Linux even with a very competent windows admin). However many Windows programs fail especially if left running for long periods of time (e.g. torrenting a file that takes a week+), I have not had this problem nearly as much with the Linux equivalents. Even when the rare problems arises a simple ctrl+alt+backspace fixes things a considerable amount better/faster then the ctrl+alt+del of Windows. One rarely sees poorly done software for Linux. When people see something they don’t like the source code is freely available and people change it themselves and submit their changes.
Ease of use – You really don’t know what your missing until you’ve tried Linux. Whenever I try and use my windows machine I just tend to get more and more aggravated by the small stuff. Granted it takes a certain amount of skill/knowledge to get a Linux machine running, but that’s mostly limited to the ability to google and read. Things such as being able to maximize a Windows and then shrink it over by dragging the edge and having the windows snap together, put a file in more then one location without a copy, put a different hard drive somewhere other then as a different tree base (e.g. put a hdd in a folder instead of a different letter), searching a group of files for a keywords (e.g. “grep Failed/ Logon ~\logs”, and more are irritatingly missing from Windows. These are available for Windows but they require lots of unnecessary plug-ins.
Xine media player - I have yet to find a media format that this can’t natively play and I have seen a lot of bizarre ones. Even the best Windows players with the best codec packs I can find tend to freak out sometimes and it’s just a pain in the ass to find them all anyway. Since I use my Linux system largely as a video machine, this is important.
SSH remote logon – This is clearly the best/easy to set up remote logon and fileserver tool I have seen. I find it hard to believe I ever got along with out it now.
Although many of the programs/features mentioned above do have Windows ports, they run much the same as running a native Windows program in wine: buggy and slow. Although these don’t seem like much, let’s compare it with the entire list of reasons why I use Windows: gaming, and even that’s starting to erode. Of course it’s not about trying to convert other people and that just my opinion
Oh and best of all: no grammar Nazis (ok, that’s a preemptive flame and I’m sorry)
Ctrl Alt Backspace, resets the whole OS, in Linux.
Ctrl Alt Delete in Windows, allows you to shut down only the offending program causing the lockup.
bob505
08-26-2005, 09:38 AM
Ctrl Alt Backspace, resets the whole OS, in Linux.
Ctrl Alt Delete in Windows, allows you to shut down only the offending program causing the lockup.
nope
ctrl alt backspace resets the current graphics system
unless your running an older porgram that runs in the conosle this will catch all lockups even ones that ctrol alt del cant do anything for in similar situations
it does not reset the entire system
for example on my home system i keep everything i might want to use remotely or have running for long periods of time in a seperate graphics window (which i can accsess on the same screen through vnc'ing myself). If something locks up i can kill the current one which at most gets firefox+whatever locked up. Regardless, in many situations where its called really called for its faster to just kill the graphics system and restart that (takes like 1/10 the time to restart the system) then it is to wait for windows to try and shutdown the program.
[edit]
Furthurmore, it will never kill things that do not require the graphics systems. My ssh server will continue uninterupted if i reset the graphics system.
Ctrl Alt Delete in Windows, allows you to shut down only the offending program causing the lockup.
nope
ctrl alt backspace resets the current graphics system
unless your running an older porgram that runs in the conosle this will catch all lockups even ones that ctrol alt del cant do anything for in similar situations
it does not reset the entire system
for example on my home system i keep everything i might want to use remotely or have running for long periods of time in a seperate graphics window (which i can accsess on the same screen through vnc'ing myself). If something locks up i can kill the current one which at most gets firefox+whatever locked up. Regardless, in many situations where its called really called for its faster to just kill the graphics system and restart that (takes like 1/10 the time to restart the system) then it is to wait for windows to try and shutdown the program.
[edit]
Furthurmore, it will never kill things that do not require the graphics systems. My ssh server will continue uninterupted if i reset the graphics system.
Trekkminster
08-26-2005, 10:01 AM
Well I use Linux (Knippox) to analyze my network, and practice security stuff...
www.remote-exploit.org
Other than that i like gaming.... and windows XP it is!
www.remote-exploit.org
Other than that i like gaming.... and windows XP it is!
Lockheed2266
08-26-2005, 10:36 AM
All your questions answered... (http://www.google.com)
:cheers:
lol
:cheers:
lol
seablade
08-26-2005, 10:58 AM
CTRL+ALT+BCKSP by default in most versions of Linux kills X Windows(The Graphical subsystem)
I can however be mapped to do really anything you want;)
Even quicker than that and 95 percent of the time works, go to a console and type killall and the name of the program.
Then just switch back to the graphical system and run along like nothing happened. Takes on the average about 5 seconds, and rarely will I have to do this with anything that is above an alpha release in Linux.
Why do I use it? Much more stable than windows IMO. Much faster and more efficient than windows, as long as not bloated as most larger distros are(Ubuntu is a good one for little bloat but still easy to use)
And I have found audio programs in linux that are MUCH better than anything I have used in any other OS. Ardour I love completly, and use it over ProTools, Cubase, Nuendo...(All of which I have used in the past) and Rezound has some really cool features I ahve yet to find in Windows or Mac(Without porting Rezound;)
True 64 Bit operating Environment.
NFS Filesystem over gigabit ethernet... fast enough for audio use if that gives you any idea.
Interoperability and flexibility.
And I gotta go;) Remind me and Ill finish up later.
Seablade
I can however be mapped to do really anything you want;)
Even quicker than that and 95 percent of the time works, go to a console and type killall and the name of the program.
Then just switch back to the graphical system and run along like nothing happened. Takes on the average about 5 seconds, and rarely will I have to do this with anything that is above an alpha release in Linux.
Why do I use it? Much more stable than windows IMO. Much faster and more efficient than windows, as long as not bloated as most larger distros are(Ubuntu is a good one for little bloat but still easy to use)
And I have found audio programs in linux that are MUCH better than anything I have used in any other OS. Ardour I love completly, and use it over ProTools, Cubase, Nuendo...(All of which I have used in the past) and Rezound has some really cool features I ahve yet to find in Windows or Mac(Without porting Rezound;)
True 64 Bit operating Environment.
NFS Filesystem over gigabit ethernet... fast enough for audio use if that gives you any idea.
Interoperability and flexibility.
And I gotta go;) Remind me and Ill finish up later.
Seablade
spincricket
08-26-2005, 05:26 PM
Well from the look of it i think i will never need to use linux. i just surf the net and word process and listen to music. Plus i wouldnt like to take time aside to learn unix. Thanks for your imput guys.
SCFlyMedic
08-27-2005, 08:30 AM
and you can do all of that stuff that you do...and learn linux too as I am doing. It's really not as difficult as it appears once you get into it. I highly recommend (K)Ubuntu, it worked really well with my computer once ndiswrapper configured my wireless.
abf
08-27-2005, 08:44 AM
spin....you can do all of that in linux, and be more confident because you will NOT catch viruses lurking around the net and you WILL NOT be loaded with pr0n spyware either.
like SCFly said, go Ubuntu if it works with your system, it does wonders. If you want to take it a step up, I'd recommend Slackware (stable as a rock), or maybe even just plain old Debian.
like SCFly said, go Ubuntu if it works with your system, it does wonders. If you want to take it a step up, I'd recommend Slackware (stable as a rock), or maybe even just plain old Debian.
deVries
08-28-2005, 09:12 AM
My main reason for using Linux these days is that I'm just more used to it - times when I've grappled with some issue on friends' windows computers recently made me realize how out of touch with it I am!
How did I get more used to it? I've not been using windows for more than the occasional game for a few years, because I like a lot of things about Linux:
The non-commercial ethos that prevails in the software.
Amazing choice, availability and configurability of the OS, from the kernel to the windowing system and desktop.
Great network security, which is a byproduct of the fantastic tcp/ip stack (which has a feature set comparable to advanced Cisco routers!)
NO REGISTRY!!! (each app has its own simple text-based config file) What a catasrophically dumb idea the registry is!
The power of the command-line.. ;-)
Ability to see just what's going on anywhere by viewing and modifying source code, using strace, lsof, etc.
The staggering amount of advice and support available on the web.
I freely admit I'm a moderately technical user with long Linux experience (I've been using Linux domestically and professionally since about 1997) who isn't averse to getting "under the hood" now and then. I'm not out to convert anyone here: if it isn't for you, don't use it - no problem. Just saying why it works for me..
How did I get more used to it? I've not been using windows for more than the occasional game for a few years, because I like a lot of things about Linux:
The non-commercial ethos that prevails in the software.
Amazing choice, availability and configurability of the OS, from the kernel to the windowing system and desktop.
Great network security, which is a byproduct of the fantastic tcp/ip stack (which has a feature set comparable to advanced Cisco routers!)
NO REGISTRY!!! (each app has its own simple text-based config file) What a catasrophically dumb idea the registry is!
The power of the command-line.. ;-)
Ability to see just what's going on anywhere by viewing and modifying source code, using strace, lsof, etc.
The staggering amount of advice and support available on the web.
I freely admit I'm a moderately technical user with long Linux experience (I've been using Linux domestically and professionally since about 1997) who isn't averse to getting "under the hood" now and then. I'm not out to convert anyone here: if it isn't for you, don't use it - no problem. Just saying why it works for me..
npaladin2000
09-11-2005, 06:22 AM
I started with it way back as an experiment. But now I've gotten so sick of Windows installs "wearing out" after a year, bogged down due to spyware, registry brush, viruses, and software that wants to do what IT wants to do instead of what *I* want it to do.
And Clippy and Rover the Search Dog were the absolute last straw. ;) First I started using open-source apps on Win32...Firefox, Thunderbird, GAIM, etc. Since I was pretty much just using these anyway, I took a shot at a total switchover.
First SUSE, the Fedora, then Ubuntu. Fedora is my favorite, but Ubuntu works slightly better (Fedora's PalmOS support is broken). I just have to run Quicken (for my bank accounts) and Internet Explorer (for the ticketing system at work) and WinRAR (have to handle EXE Zips) under Wine/CrossoverOffice. I still have it set for dual boot, but Linux is the default. I only use Windows for games. Sometimes not even them...Linux has some really SWEET "diversion-level" games, like LBreakout, SuperTux, and LTris.
And Clippy and Rover the Search Dog were the absolute last straw. ;) First I started using open-source apps on Win32...Firefox, Thunderbird, GAIM, etc. Since I was pretty much just using these anyway, I took a shot at a total switchover.
First SUSE, the Fedora, then Ubuntu. Fedora is my favorite, but Ubuntu works slightly better (Fedora's PalmOS support is broken). I just have to run Quicken (for my bank accounts) and Internet Explorer (for the ticketing system at work) and WinRAR (have to handle EXE Zips) under Wine/CrossoverOffice. I still have it set for dual boot, but Linux is the default. I only use Windows for games. Sometimes not even them...Linux has some really SWEET "diversion-level" games, like LBreakout, SuperTux, and LTris.
abf
09-11-2005, 09:51 AM
npaladin.
just a hint. you can install rar in linux (native) (apt-get install rar unrar)
linux also has a native finance application.
just a hint. you can install rar in linux (native) (apt-get install rar unrar)
linux also has a native finance application.
DimGR
09-11-2005, 10:23 AM
because we know better
because we do not like that bullcrap OS called winXP
because we are not M$'s toys
should i say more?:)
because we do not like that bullcrap OS called winXP
because we are not M$'s toys
should i say more?:)
npaladin2000
09-11-2005, 10:57 AM
npaladin.
just a hint. you can install rar in linux (native) (apt-get install rar unrar)
linux also has a native finance application.
I'm aware of both; don't need the hint thanks. ;)
But rar itself, and Linux's ZIp format libraries won't handle SFX Zips..the EXE ones. At all. So I need something that will, and WinRAR is the least offensive of the Windows compression programs. ;)
As for GNUCash...pretty nice application. Just not nice and pretty under GNOME...they're still on GTK1 and not done creating a functional GTK2 port yet. I'm keeping an eye on that project so I can switch over at some point though.
just a hint. you can install rar in linux (native) (apt-get install rar unrar)
linux also has a native finance application.
I'm aware of both; don't need the hint thanks. ;)
But rar itself, and Linux's ZIp format libraries won't handle SFX Zips..the EXE ones. At all. So I need something that will, and WinRAR is the least offensive of the Windows compression programs. ;)
As for GNUCash...pretty nice application. Just not nice and pretty under GNOME...they're still on GTK1 and not done creating a functional GTK2 port yet. I'm keeping an eye on that project so I can switch over at some point though.
DDDa
09-11-2005, 12:48 PM
@DimGR: let's be honest, WinXP is far from 'bullcrap'. The previous Win9x was...
Anyway, I still prefer Linux and now I'm on Ubuntu... I just like the fact that (almost) everything works out of the box, while still allowing me to choose everything the way I think is better, at no costs.
My complain? Not everything works "out of the box", but it's not difficult for me to do that. For a common Windows user, I realize that it may be difficult to configure everything, specially if you take into consideration that people hate to learn things, even if it is better. WPA support is just one thing that I missed when I installed...
Anyway, I still prefer Linux and now I'm on Ubuntu... I just like the fact that (almost) everything works out of the box, while still allowing me to choose everything the way I think is better, at no costs.
My complain? Not everything works "out of the box", but it's not difficult for me to do that. For a common Windows user, I realize that it may be difficult to configure everything, specially if you take into consideration that people hate to learn things, even if it is better. WPA support is just one thing that I missed when I installed...
DimGR
09-11-2005, 01:06 PM
ok then it is dogcrap :)
merlin666
09-11-2005, 01:21 PM
I used to use Unix and XWindows many years before Win3.1 was released, and later on switched to Win95 once it became somewhat stable and the standard in most organizations. Recently I acquired a Laptop with a Athlon64 and Linux was the only OS that allowed me to explore 64-bit computing. Since I have some time on my hand I set the Laptop up as a dual boot system with XP for regular business use, and Fedora to play around and update my long-forgotten Unix skills (its free after all, so all you need is time and about 8 GB of hard drive space). My assessment after about 5 months is that it takes a lot of effort and bandwidth to keep up with the updates and make sure that everything is running smoothly after a new kernel is released. In addition there are many things we take for granted in XP that are difficult or impossible to accomplish in 64bit Linux (e.g. finding a webcam driver). But its definitely fun if you like the aggravation of dealing with mysterious system issues.
Although I have not had a chance to try it, I heard Ubuntu is very stable and user friendly and almost a complete and free substitute for XP including many apps.
Although I have not had a chance to try it, I heard Ubuntu is very stable and user friendly and almost a complete and free substitute for XP including many apps.
DDDa
09-11-2005, 01:25 PM
Ubuntu is great. Did you say 8GB for Fedora?? Wow, it's more bloated than ever before... :)
merlin666
09-11-2005, 02:21 PM
Ubuntu is great. Did you say 8GB for Fedora?? Wow, it's more bloated than ever before... :)
I think it's much smaller depending on what you all select to get installed with such as servers or development tools. Also, the frequent updates tend to accumulate (unless you clean out once in a while), and of course you also want some space for multimedia downloads etc. I partitioned my hardrive to have a third partition in FAT32 to be shared between Linux and XP where most of my user files eventually end up. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to move the darn "My Documents" to that partition :( .
I think it's much smaller depending on what you all select to get installed with such as servers or development tools. Also, the frequent updates tend to accumulate (unless you clean out once in a while), and of course you also want some space for multimedia downloads etc. I partitioned my hardrive to have a third partition in FAT32 to be shared between Linux and XP where most of my user files eventually end up. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to move the darn "My Documents" to that partition :( .
DDDa
09-11-2005, 10:01 PM
Ah, ok... 8GB for things, not only for FC... :)
About the My Documents problem: I on Linux right now, so can't test it to see if it works (specially because I never tried), but check this page (http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/2005/02/26/redirect-my-documents-to-an-alternate-location/)
About the My Documents problem: I on Linux right now, so can't test it to see if it works (specially because I never tried), but check this page (http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/2005/02/26/redirect-my-documents-to-an-alternate-location/)
bigtrouble77
09-12-2005, 12:49 PM
I guess I'll throw in my reasons for switching. I've run dos/windows exclusively since 1988. Win95 was a HUGE disappointment for me as it never achieved good performance and stability so I was forced to use winNT4.0. NT had major compatibility issues so I had to run dual boots for many years. Win2000 solved many issues, although it was quirky. BSOD's were very common. WinXP is a decent upgrade to win2000, but virii and spyware and drm has made it completely unusable. I refuse to accept microsoft's adjenda to dictate how the market functions. The combination of windows vista and palladium is a frightening prospect. Knowing that is on the horizon I figured that now is a great time to finally switch to linux.
I've been toying with linux distro's since redhat7 and have only just now found a distro that I can use on my main machine. The distro is Ubuntu, simply because of the apt/synaptic package manager and strong community support.
Linux is easier than windows for simple tasks, MUCH harder for mid to slightly advanced tasks, and more robust for complex tasks. Windows application management is simple y atrocious. Windows desktop machines cannot run for an extended period of time without being rebooted. Finally, I have to reformat my heavily used windows machines every 4-6 months. That's finally become totally unacceptable.
I no longer have crashes, if an app is playing bad I just kill it, it never takes the whole system down. I used to think it was my laptop that cause some of the instability. Now I know that it was ENTIRELY windows.
I have alot more reason for switching, but those are the main ones. Fortunately, I took little to no hit in productivity in making the switch.
-BT
I've been toying with linux distro's since redhat7 and have only just now found a distro that I can use on my main machine. The distro is Ubuntu, simply because of the apt/synaptic package manager and strong community support.
Linux is easier than windows for simple tasks, MUCH harder for mid to slightly advanced tasks, and more robust for complex tasks. Windows application management is simple y atrocious. Windows desktop machines cannot run for an extended period of time without being rebooted. Finally, I have to reformat my heavily used windows machines every 4-6 months. That's finally become totally unacceptable.
I no longer have crashes, if an app is playing bad I just kill it, it never takes the whole system down. I used to think it was my laptop that cause some of the instability. Now I know that it was ENTIRELY windows.
I have alot more reason for switching, but those are the main ones. Fortunately, I took little to no hit in productivity in making the switch.
-BT
drizek
09-12-2005, 07:47 PM
to the OP who said they like listening to music and web browsing and stuff like that, linux is better at it.
once you set it all up, thats it. no security updates, no viruses no nothing. and apps like amarok are much better for playing music than the windows apps. last.fm support built in, album covers, lyrics, wikipedia integration, smart playlists, audio streaming, pod casting, etc. etc. etc.
KDE also looks a hell of a lot better than xp too, and it is much easier to customize the UI.
as for the ctrl+alt+dlt thing, linux is much better at that. ctral+alt+bckspace restarts the x server, which generally means that 5 seconds later your computer is fully functional again. ctrl+alt+escape starts xkill, which turns your mouse cursor into a skull and crossbones which can be used to kill any running app just by clicking on it. and finally, ctrl+escape launches a windows-like process dialog that lets you kill whatever you want.
and to npaladin, there is also kmymoney if you dont like gnucash.
oh, did i mention that linux is more fun to use?
once you set it all up, thats it. no security updates, no viruses no nothing. and apps like amarok are much better for playing music than the windows apps. last.fm support built in, album covers, lyrics, wikipedia integration, smart playlists, audio streaming, pod casting, etc. etc. etc.
KDE also looks a hell of a lot better than xp too, and it is much easier to customize the UI.
as for the ctrl+alt+dlt thing, linux is much better at that. ctral+alt+bckspace restarts the x server, which generally means that 5 seconds later your computer is fully functional again. ctrl+alt+escape starts xkill, which turns your mouse cursor into a skull and crossbones which can be used to kill any running app just by clicking on it. and finally, ctrl+escape launches a windows-like process dialog that lets you kill whatever you want.
and to npaladin, there is also kmymoney if you dont like gnucash.
oh, did i mention that linux is more fun to use?
bigtrouble77
09-12-2005, 08:16 PM
once you set it all up, thats it. no security updates, no viruses no nothing.
Actually, right after an install of most distros you are encouraged to download a bunch of patches. And, like windows, it's an ongoing process because no software is completely secure and completely bugless.
Fortunately, on linux the process is 100x better than windows because it doesn't require multiple reboots and all the software update come from the same source.
Actually, right after an install of most distros you are encouraged to download a bunch of patches. And, like windows, it's an ongoing process because no software is completely secure and completely bugless.
Fortunately, on linux the process is 100x better than windows because it doesn't require multiple reboots and all the software update come from the same source.
drizek
09-15-2005, 12:48 AM
thats true, but those updates are ussually bug fixes or add features. but you are not at risk if you dont have them.
and like you said, they have almost no impact on whatever youre doing. with windows, doing windows update resluts in total network bandwidth cloggage during the download process and then total system resources cloggage during the install process and then its all topped off wit ha nice reboot.
and like you said, they have almost no impact on whatever youre doing. with windows, doing windows update resluts in total network bandwidth cloggage during the download process and then total system resources cloggage during the install process and then its all topped off wit ha nice reboot.
spincricket
10-20-2005, 12:48 PM
Well, i have decided to give Ubuntu a try. Fro the fact that i dont want to jump on the VISTA bandwagon, which is a couple years away i know. BUt im sure it will have bugs like hell. Xp didnt have to many, if im not mistaken it was built off of 2000 right? Anyways, i am entirely new at linux, i have been reading alot on unix and whatnot, i will dual boot my desktop, because i only have 40 gig on my laptop, i would like to do the laptop because of the extra configs and stuff, but i have to start somewhere. To tell you the truth , im pretty scared, but ill take the plunge. YOu guys had to initially take it also, and now you are pretty good at it.
SCFlyMedic
10-20-2005, 02:46 PM
Hey Spincricket,
Be sure to also look to ubuntuforums.org, and ubuntuguide.org and don't be scared, I too took the plunge and besides the guys (and gals) here and the ubuntu forums, I've had just about every question and/or problem answered or fixed. I am just about finished getting 5.10 the way I like it and all of these resources have helped tremendously.
Later
Be sure to also look to ubuntuforums.org, and ubuntuguide.org and don't be scared, I too took the plunge and besides the guys (and gals) here and the ubuntu forums, I've had just about every question and/or problem answered or fixed. I am just about finished getting 5.10 the way I like it and all of these resources have helped tremendously.
Later
abf
10-20-2005, 02:55 PM
ubuntuforums is not that great. i mean, yeah they have a lot of good stuff, but when i posted 2 questions, both got ignored really bad.
that said, i used to use ubuntu, i used hoary and it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. however i had to ditch breezy, at least for now in favor of Mandrake. Now i know i was the one who many times said Suse, RH/FC, and Mandrake are stupid n00b distros, and they were last time i tried them (FC4, Suse 9.3 Pro, Mandrake 10.1). Right now i am using Mandrake 2006.1 and its pretty l33t after you un-ugly-fy the theme. I installed gnome 2.12 on it instead of kde 3.4 because kde plain sucks. Wireless did not work out of the box like it did with ubuntu, but that was pretty easy to configure thanks to some FAQ posted on the madwifi website. I still have problems installing ATI drivers because it uses Xorg 6.9 and ati really doesn't support anything above a 6.8.
Because it uses an i586 kernel (ubuntu uses i386), and because of a few other factors, mandrake is actually faster. my boot time is roughly 40 seconds on mandrake, something ubuntu can't touch.
that said, i used to use ubuntu, i used hoary and it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. however i had to ditch breezy, at least for now in favor of Mandrake. Now i know i was the one who many times said Suse, RH/FC, and Mandrake are stupid n00b distros, and they were last time i tried them (FC4, Suse 9.3 Pro, Mandrake 10.1). Right now i am using Mandrake 2006.1 and its pretty l33t after you un-ugly-fy the theme. I installed gnome 2.12 on it instead of kde 3.4 because kde plain sucks. Wireless did not work out of the box like it did with ubuntu, but that was pretty easy to configure thanks to some FAQ posted on the madwifi website. I still have problems installing ATI drivers because it uses Xorg 6.9 and ati really doesn't support anything above a 6.8.
Because it uses an i586 kernel (ubuntu uses i386), and because of a few other factors, mandrake is actually faster. my boot time is roughly 40 seconds on mandrake, something ubuntu can't touch.
bigtrouble77
10-20-2005, 03:10 PM
ubuntuforums is not that great. i mean, yeah they have a lot of good stuff, but when i posted 2 questions, both got ignored really bad.
that said, i used to use ubuntu, i used hoary and it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. however i had to ditch breezy, at least for now in favor of Mandrake. Now i know i was the one who many times said Suse, RH/FC, and Mandrake are stupid n00b distros, and they were last time i tried them (FC4, Suse 9.3 Pro, Mandrake 10.1). Right now i am using Mandrake 2006.1 and its pretty l33t after you un-ugly-fy the theme. I installed gnome 2.12 on it instead of kde 3.4 because kde plain sucks. Wireless did not work out of the box like it did with ubuntu, but that was pretty easy to configure thanks to some FAQ posted on the madwifi website. I still have problems installing ATI drivers because it uses Xorg 6.9 and ati really doesn't support anything above a 6.8.
Because it uses an i586 kernel (ubuntu uses i386), and because of a few other factors, mandrake is actually faster. my boot time is roughly 40 seconds on mandrake, something ubuntu can't touch.
I think ubuntu forums is amazing. The vast majority of questions I posted got a prompt reply. If I bump them I generally get a prompt reply.
As far as the speed issue is concerned, I did have to do a little extra work to fix that. Ubuntu suports several kernels so I'd go into synaptic and check out what's there. I use the K7 kernel. I also noticed a huge speed improvement after I got my ati fglrx drivers working correctly. Ubuntu's firefox is very slow so I don't recommend using that. It's easy enough to get a copy from mozilla's site.
Sadly, it seems hardware support is what makes or breaks a linux distro. Fortunately my laptop is well supported.
-BT
that said, i used to use ubuntu, i used hoary and it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. however i had to ditch breezy, at least for now in favor of Mandrake. Now i know i was the one who many times said Suse, RH/FC, and Mandrake are stupid n00b distros, and they were last time i tried them (FC4, Suse 9.3 Pro, Mandrake 10.1). Right now i am using Mandrake 2006.1 and its pretty l33t after you un-ugly-fy the theme. I installed gnome 2.12 on it instead of kde 3.4 because kde plain sucks. Wireless did not work out of the box like it did with ubuntu, but that was pretty easy to configure thanks to some FAQ posted on the madwifi website. I still have problems installing ATI drivers because it uses Xorg 6.9 and ati really doesn't support anything above a 6.8.
Because it uses an i586 kernel (ubuntu uses i386), and because of a few other factors, mandrake is actually faster. my boot time is roughly 40 seconds on mandrake, something ubuntu can't touch.
I think ubuntu forums is amazing. The vast majority of questions I posted got a prompt reply. If I bump them I generally get a prompt reply.
As far as the speed issue is concerned, I did have to do a little extra work to fix that. Ubuntu suports several kernels so I'd go into synaptic and check out what's there. I use the K7 kernel. I also noticed a huge speed improvement after I got my ati fglrx drivers working correctly. Ubuntu's firefox is very slow so I don't recommend using that. It's easy enough to get a copy from mozilla's site.
Sadly, it seems hardware support is what makes or breaks a linux distro. Fortunately my laptop is well supported.
-BT
knarlydavid
10-20-2005, 03:37 PM
Do any of these Linux type O/S support the 64bit Intel processors? Also new to Linux and am thinking about learning it and since I have a 64bit processor on my laptop, might be nice trying it out.
abf
10-20-2005, 04:04 PM
yes, just about every distro that has a X86-64 aka AMD64 release will support the intel 64 bit cpus.
My laptop is AMD64 and I would NOT recommend using a 64 bit distro just yet. why? some hardware is more difficult to set up, and that is not recommended, especially by a new person. furthermore some packages like Flash Player and W32Codecs are not available and will not work on 64 bit systems. So knarlydavid....highly recommend you stick to something 32bit.
My laptop is AMD64 and I would NOT recommend using a 64 bit distro just yet. why? some hardware is more difficult to set up, and that is not recommended, especially by a new person. furthermore some packages like Flash Player and W32Codecs are not available and will not work on 64 bit systems. So knarlydavid....highly recommend you stick to something 32bit.
hbien
10-20-2005, 04:18 PM
Linux for -
1) Schoolwork, school's server are all solaris/linux, easier to use SSH with X-Windows not to mention free development tools (compilers, editors, IDEs) all under linux so I could work on my stuff without using the schools server. All that stuff would cost a fortune under windows.
2) so much free software
3) I can apt-get all that free software =]
4) very very small convenience, i love multiple desktops =]
5) it started out as kinda "i just wanna learn command-line and bash shell stuff" for school, work, experience. a lot of the jobs at school require experience using *nix. then i just came to like it.
I do use windows though for -
1) GAMES =]
2) software needed for classes that aren't ported to linux and can't run under wine.
I would use MAC OSX-
if i had a powerbook. I wouldn't mind getting to learn all the 3 oses. but still linux is my primary.
1) Schoolwork, school's server are all solaris/linux, easier to use SSH with X-Windows not to mention free development tools (compilers, editors, IDEs) all under linux so I could work on my stuff without using the schools server. All that stuff would cost a fortune under windows.
2) so much free software
3) I can apt-get all that free software =]
4) very very small convenience, i love multiple desktops =]
5) it started out as kinda "i just wanna learn command-line and bash shell stuff" for school, work, experience. a lot of the jobs at school require experience using *nix. then i just came to like it.
I do use windows though for -
1) GAMES =]
2) software needed for classes that aren't ported to linux and can't run under wine.
I would use MAC OSX-
if i had a powerbook. I wouldn't mind getting to learn all the 3 oses. but still linux is my primary.
Erebus_505X
10-21-2005, 04:58 PM
About games, some of them work very well on linux. U2k4/doom3/world of warcraft (cedega). It is also good server/office station
linux sucks at graphics, vector graphics otherwose gop works. Also flash editor like macromedia flash mx (not flash player) and also dreamveawer don't work
linux sucks at graphics, vector graphics otherwose gop works. Also flash editor like macromedia flash mx (not flash player) and also dreamveawer don't work
drizek
10-21-2005, 05:41 PM
wtf? how does linux suck at graphics and vector graphics? inkscape is a really good tool for vector graphics, performance under linux is better than in windows and KDE/Gnome support svg's as icons/backgrounds.
immortality
10-21-2005, 06:24 PM
i was just always just tried of seeing windows everywhere, first of all it wasn't that great, the mac OS switch wasn't worth it i don't want a new computer and the mac OS is fully bloated with crap, linux is nice clean, truly customizable, and most linux apps will work with any distro and with any Desktop manager, theres no need to download windows blind and all the other themeing software for windows, there are is hardly any way to get a virus on a linux box unless your really stupid and install it as root...LINUX is just plain uber...
CaptainMorgan
10-21-2005, 08:26 PM
Ubuntu Forums is fantastic.. I always get a quick reply. Maybe it was specificly your question and not the average time it takes to get an answer or reply? :scratch:
Windows-Only-Never-Tried-Lin*x Users:
I know what you're thinking... you never tried Linux before... all you know is Microsoft... Linux scares you... you think it's too advanced... you hear things don't work often... why things don't work sometimes... you think M$ has made it easy for you... you see things like M$, Vindows and Windoze and XPee... but you take for granted the expression people are leaving... you think it's too good to be true... you think you can't do it... you think you'll fail...
Question: Ever heard the story of Plato's Allegory of the Cave? its concept is simple... you don't know until you've stepped outside of the world you know and enter a completely different world. Linux is the light here - the way out of the cave.
The support from the communities of Linux users and developers are amazing.. you don't find that often in a product... a product that's free. Linux has been around for quite awhile yet the improvements on the system's and distro's as a whole are greatly increasing. You may see things like people struggling for help and lost as certain crossroads - realize this, those people are making the choice to find out for themselves the source of their problem and/or success - they're not paying someone on a support line that may or may not include a tough language barrier. It's a nice achievement to say you wholeheartedly configured your system the way you like it, completely.
Most of the responses in this thread from Linux users have been right on. You think you can't do something in Linux... think again.
:cheers:
Windows-Only-Never-Tried-Lin*x Users:
I know what you're thinking... you never tried Linux before... all you know is Microsoft... Linux scares you... you think it's too advanced... you hear things don't work often... why things don't work sometimes... you think M$ has made it easy for you... you see things like M$, Vindows and Windoze and XPee... but you take for granted the expression people are leaving... you think it's too good to be true... you think you can't do it... you think you'll fail...
Question: Ever heard the story of Plato's Allegory of the Cave? its concept is simple... you don't know until you've stepped outside of the world you know and enter a completely different world. Linux is the light here - the way out of the cave.
The support from the communities of Linux users and developers are amazing.. you don't find that often in a product... a product that's free. Linux has been around for quite awhile yet the improvements on the system's and distro's as a whole are greatly increasing. You may see things like people struggling for help and lost as certain crossroads - realize this, those people are making the choice to find out for themselves the source of their problem and/or success - they're not paying someone on a support line that may or may not include a tough language barrier. It's a nice achievement to say you wholeheartedly configured your system the way you like it, completely.
Most of the responses in this thread from Linux users have been right on. You think you can't do something in Linux... think again.
:cheers:
Time-Pilot
10-21-2005, 09:18 PM
About games, some of them work very well on linux. U2k4/doom3/world of warcraft (cedega). It is also good server/office station
linux sucks at graphics, vector graphics otherwose gop works. Also flash editor like macromedia flash mx (not flash player) and also dreamveawer don't work
It's not that it "sucks" as you so put it, it's that DirectX, and technologies such as D3d and OpenGl are more focused on Windows as that's what your average teenage gamer is running on his/her PC at home.
linux sucks at graphics, vector graphics otherwose gop works. Also flash editor like macromedia flash mx (not flash player) and also dreamveawer don't work
It's not that it "sucks" as you so put it, it's that DirectX, and technologies such as D3d and OpenGl are more focused on Windows as that's what your average teenage gamer is running on his/her PC at home.
Erebus_505X
10-21-2005, 09:30 PM
About games, some of them work very well on linux. U2k4/doom3/world of warcraft (cedega). It is also good server/office station
linux sucks at graphics, vector graphics otherwose gop works. Also flash editor like macromedia flash mx (not flash player) and also dreamveawer don't work
Can you have the might of the latest adobe indesign in linux? or dreamweaver mx. In working on getting them to work ....
linux sucks at graphics, vector graphics otherwose gop works. Also flash editor like macromedia flash mx (not flash player) and also dreamveawer don't work
Can you have the might of the latest adobe indesign in linux? or dreamweaver mx. In working on getting them to work ....
seablade
10-21-2005, 09:31 PM
Ubuntu Forums is fantastic.. I always get a quick reply. Maybe it was specificly your question and not the average time it takes to get an answer or reply? :scratch:
Windows-Only-Never-Tried-Lin*x Users:
I know what you're thinking... you never tried Linux before... all you know is Microsoft... Linux scares you... you think it's too advanced... you hear things don't work often... why things don't work sometimes... you think M$ has made it easy for you... you see things like M$, Vindows and Windoze and XPee... but you take for granted the expression people are leaving... you think it's too good to be true... you think you can't do it... you think you'll fail...
Question: Ever heard the story of Plato's Allegory of the Cave? its concept is simple... you don't know until you've stepped outside of the world you know and enter a completely different world. Linux is the light here - the way out of the cave.
The support from the communities of Linux users and developers are amazing.. you don't find that often in a product... a product that's free. Linux has been around for quite awhile yet the improvements on the system's and distro's as a whole are greatly increasing. You may see things like people struggling for help and lost as certain crossroads - realize this, those people are making the choice to find out for themselves the source of their problem and/or success - they're not paying someone on a support line that may or may not include a tough language barrier. It's a nice achievement to say you wholeheartedly configured your system the way you like it, completely.
Most of the responses in this thread from Linux users have been right on. You think you can't do something in Linux... think again.
:cheers:
OT: THen again if you look at Plato's analogy a different way...
Ignorance is bliss, the person that left the cave and the world of shadows was tossed into a world where they didnt belong. They were completly happy there, and there wasnt a dramatic increase in happiness when they left and grew accoustomed to the new life, nor could they ever truly return to the old life creating yet another dimension to that.
Has absolutely nothing to do with the current topic, well maybe it does. Linux is not for everyone, but one of the greatest things about it, it gives you a CHOICE. It is not nor will it ever be the best at everything, it is not the answer to all computer woes. But it CAN be better at many things, however it will take work for most people, a period of adjustment, and frustration as you get used to a new way of handling things, and a new level of control over your computer.
Unlike the analogy though you have the choice between the two worlds, which is why Linux is such a great thing to the general world at the moment. It allows you the freedom to choose.
Seablade
Windows-Only-Never-Tried-Lin*x Users:
I know what you're thinking... you never tried Linux before... all you know is Microsoft... Linux scares you... you think it's too advanced... you hear things don't work often... why things don't work sometimes... you think M$ has made it easy for you... you see things like M$, Vindows and Windoze and XPee... but you take for granted the expression people are leaving... you think it's too good to be true... you think you can't do it... you think you'll fail...
Question: Ever heard the story of Plato's Allegory of the Cave? its concept is simple... you don't know until you've stepped outside of the world you know and enter a completely different world. Linux is the light here - the way out of the cave.
The support from the communities of Linux users and developers are amazing.. you don't find that often in a product... a product that's free. Linux has been around for quite awhile yet the improvements on the system's and distro's as a whole are greatly increasing. You may see things like people struggling for help and lost as certain crossroads - realize this, those people are making the choice to find out for themselves the source of their problem and/or success - they're not paying someone on a support line that may or may not include a tough language barrier. It's a nice achievement to say you wholeheartedly configured your system the way you like it, completely.
Most of the responses in this thread from Linux users have been right on. You think you can't do something in Linux... think again.
:cheers:
OT: THen again if you look at Plato's analogy a different way...
Ignorance is bliss, the person that left the cave and the world of shadows was tossed into a world where they didnt belong. They were completly happy there, and there wasnt a dramatic increase in happiness when they left and grew accoustomed to the new life, nor could they ever truly return to the old life creating yet another dimension to that.
Has absolutely nothing to do with the current topic, well maybe it does. Linux is not for everyone, but one of the greatest things about it, it gives you a CHOICE. It is not nor will it ever be the best at everything, it is not the answer to all computer woes. But it CAN be better at many things, however it will take work for most people, a period of adjustment, and frustration as you get used to a new way of handling things, and a new level of control over your computer.
Unlike the analogy though you have the choice between the two worlds, which is why Linux is such a great thing to the general world at the moment. It allows you the freedom to choose.
Seablade
seablade
10-21-2005, 09:34 PM
Can you have the might of the latest adobe indesign in linux? or dreamweaver mx. In working on getting them to work ....
Dreamweaver actually, I had heard over their past couple of version has been taking linux into consideration in a backwards sort of way. They were making an effort to ensure they used code that would be somewhat supported by WINE in order to allow their products to be used on linux with them not having to do anything really.
Adobe, I honestly wouldnt be surprised in the least on either them or dreamweaver to see much better support for them in linux in about 2 years. Why? Because the BSD based Mac is moving to an Intel based platform, and porting between the two will be much more possible, not nessecarily a given, but much easier I believe.
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Dreamweaver actually, I had heard over their past couple of version has been taking linux into consideration in a backwards sort of way. They were making an effort to ensure they used code that would be somewhat supported by WINE in order to allow their products to be used on linux with them not having to do anything really.
Adobe, I honestly wouldnt be surprised in the least on either them or dreamweaver to see much better support for them in linux in about 2 years. Why? Because the BSD based Mac is moving to an Intel based platform, and porting between the two will be much more possible, not nessecarily a given, but much easier I believe.
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drizek
10-22-2005, 12:43 AM
its easy enough to port to linux. the problem is that its not hard enough not to port. once linux gets a few more percentage points in market share, well get all the apps in the world ported over.
Erebus_505X
10-22-2005, 01:19 PM
And Microsoft be sure will take care so that won't happen. As long as microsoft has an intelligent chairman like bill gates we won't see many things ported on linux;)
seablade
10-22-2005, 01:55 PM
>As long as microsoft has an intelligent chairman like bill gates we won't see many things ported on linux
It has much less to do with Bill Gates than you might think. Right now Windows is responding to Linux, not the other way around. Linux doesnt operate on your typical buisness strategy. Yes it has a small market share, but it is growing and Microsoft is still deciding how to act. Right now all their responses have been to counter something that Linux has that causes people to switch, typically by copying the idea. Well that and to Slander Linux though they have most definitly laid off that SOME now.
In as far as porting to Linux, it is still kind of difficult, especially depending on how you program. You can program things to be portable, and it is downright simple. However most people write things that depend on Libraries provided by the OS, causing it not to be portable. For instance D3D and such. As I said though since Mac is based on BSD the majority of those libraries are in fact fairly portable, the problem comes in that situation from choosing things like what type of variable you use and the like as different architectures will have different sizes for types of variables, Big-Endianess and Little-Endianess and the like. That is stretching my experience with programming as I havent ever done any porting work, I usually mainly program for a single platform myself if I program at all.
As I said though in a couple of years when the Intel based macs starting hitting the market things may very well change. The major reason you cant port between them will dissapear as the architecture changes.
Seablade
It has much less to do with Bill Gates than you might think. Right now Windows is responding to Linux, not the other way around. Linux doesnt operate on your typical buisness strategy. Yes it has a small market share, but it is growing and Microsoft is still deciding how to act. Right now all their responses have been to counter something that Linux has that causes people to switch, typically by copying the idea. Well that and to Slander Linux though they have most definitly laid off that SOME now.
In as far as porting to Linux, it is still kind of difficult, especially depending on how you program. You can program things to be portable, and it is downright simple. However most people write things that depend on Libraries provided by the OS, causing it not to be portable. For instance D3D and such. As I said though since Mac is based on BSD the majority of those libraries are in fact fairly portable, the problem comes in that situation from choosing things like what type of variable you use and the like as different architectures will have different sizes for types of variables, Big-Endianess and Little-Endianess and the like. That is stretching my experience with programming as I havent ever done any porting work, I usually mainly program for a single platform myself if I program at all.
As I said though in a couple of years when the Intel based macs starting hitting the market things may very well change. The major reason you cant port between them will dissapear as the architecture changes.
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MkIII_Supra
10-25-2005, 01:43 PM
I use Linux because I can.
seablade
10-25-2005, 02:54 PM
HehHeh I like that answer;)
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jnev_89
10-25-2005, 11:33 PM
HehHeh I like that answer;)
Seablade
and it's sooo true lol...
Seablade
and it's sooo true lol...
skydvrgrl
10-26-2005, 02:45 AM
I switched to linux (ubuntu) because, honestly, I was very bored with XP. I dont see XP as a challenge like I do with linux. I love a good challenge! Then again after installing ubuntu on my 700m it hasnt been that challenging!
I am enjoying the learning curve and have found linux to be a lot more rewarding after tweaking and configuring things than XP could ever be.
I guess its like jumping off a high bridge into a river...it looks scary, your mates have already taken the jump, and you KNOW its not that bad, you take the plunge, enjoy the rush and want to do it again!!
:)
I am enjoying the learning curve and have found linux to be a lot more rewarding after tweaking and configuring things than XP could ever be.
I guess its like jumping off a high bridge into a river...it looks scary, your mates have already taken the jump, and you KNOW its not that bad, you take the plunge, enjoy the rush and want to do it again!!
:)
abf
10-26-2005, 07:44 AM
hell, after years of dual booting, right now i am single booting ubuntu :)
...oh and because i can
...oh and because i can
seablade
10-26-2005, 01:29 PM
Heh if you want a challenge... go LFS;)
And then dont blame me when you are commited;)
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And then dont blame me when you are commited;)
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tlo
10-26-2005, 02:14 PM
Im learning linux so i wont have to spend 130 dollars to buy pro and only be licensed to put it on ONE computer. i think its crap that i bought pro for my old compaq, then had to pay for it again so i could get it on my new sager. (i dint buy the retail, its 130 for the OEM version of XPpro. OEM versions cant be moved from one computer to another). that and c'mon, EVERYBODY has windows. think how badass you'll look with fluxbox or enlightenment, hell even KDE running in the middle of class!
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