heat related question for the 8600

[chemicalali]

i just moved from chicago to much warmer climates. i notice the fan kicking in much more often. also as im still settling in, the notebook stays on my bed a lot of the times when im using it. can that be a reason.i know a lot of sager users warn against using the sagers on a cloth surface as the air vents r located below for the sagers.
the air vents for the 8600 r located behind on the left side but can the cloth surface be a factor as well.

[warlord]

If you leave it for long periods of time just sitting on the bed I would recomend putting a book underneath so that it has plenty of space for the vents, better safe than sorry....
Specs 8600 1.7
128 Nvidia 5650FxGo
768MB 333DDR
15.4 WSXGA+{Samsung}
1300 b/g Wireless
60Gig Hd

[Yoob@NBF]

Definetly try not to ever put it on top of soft things like clothing, bed, pillows especially

[Planet-Ed]

the air vents for the 8600 r located behind on the left side but can the cloth surface be a factor as well.
Actually if you look at it from the bottom you can see the slots and the fan inside where it draws air from the bottom and blows it out the back and top slots on the case.

[chemicalali]

yes i have noticed that vent but as it didnt blow any air out i never really considered it. i have now put a thin piece of wood beneath the lappy, but because of that vent im now considering getting something customized made whereas the laptop would be raised a bit from the surface.

[Planet-Ed]

Have you considered a laptop cooler?

[chemicalali]

hmm i did a search on that. a few by antec look good. i dont think its reached that point yet. ill see if things get bad in the summer. for the time being, thinking of using compressed air to clear out the vents as i might have clogged them.

[tonyreed]

Hi Guys,
Just wondering if anyone with the i8600/Geforce5650go combo are having any problems with the heat generated by the Gpu.
http://212.125.213.133/CPU/fangui.gif
The image isnt the best example of the situation i face, but the gist of it is:
When running graphic intensive applications (ok, games then, currently Battlefield Vietnam :bouncy: ) the gpu overheats.

The problem is that the temperature rises to 100°C rapidly, then it cuts back (so avoid catching fire). At this point I crash my helicopter in BfV.

I may be able to solve this problem by using omega or equivalent drivers and underclocking :( the processor, but if at all possible I would like the Gpu replaced with one that generates less heat.
It seems strange that the factory settings are not only set too high, but they have also disabled the over(under)clocking menu, disabling my ability to fix the problem using the release drivers.

The heat has also caused the left side of the case to warp and in one place crack! Evidence again that the laptop is running a little too hot.

Does anyone have any comments?
Similar problems with the same Gpu?
Might I be able to get a replacement Gpu?
(would love the 128MB DDR ATI's MOBILITY® RADEON™ 9600 PROTURBO )
I installed FanGui to try to combat the heat, but without noticable effect.

Tony Reed

Dell i8600,
1.7Ghz Pentium M,
15.4" UltraSharp™ WSXGA+,
1024Mb 333MHz DDR RAM (2x512 MB)
128mb GeForce 5650 Gfx,
Intel 1400 truemobile Wlan,
80 Gb Hdd

[Yoob@NBF]

heatwise the Radeon 9600 would not help you here. You might want to consider underclocking as a temp solution and call in dell for a replacement card

[tonyreed]

Thanks DM, will do.
I've read quite a few other posts regarding heat issues in the Ati 9600 gpu, but none regarding the 5650.
Maybe I'll get lucky and they haven't got any 5650's in stock. None of the newer i8600's are built with 5650 gpus. :mmm: The 9600 outperforms the 5650.....
I wonder if it is the actual chip or if maybe something else isn't functioning correctly, with any luck I'll find out shortly.

Will post an update after I have contacted Dell.

[tonyreed]

Well this is fun.
Called Dell Norway to report the problem.

As the issue is related to gaming, it is not supported by Dell! ie. s***w you.

The tech was very appologetic, and agreed that the 8600 should cope, but it was out of his hands. He reccomended that I complain, especially since the i8600 was marketed as the ultimate gaming pc (or something along those lines).

I'm about to formulate a letter to the Dell Complaints department. Does anyone have any experience in dealing with them? A tip or two about what to say or not to say may help me out.

In retrospect, if I had not mentioned the word "game" I may have had more success.

[Noids]

That is pretty bad Tony. Extrapolating, what would happen if you permanently damaged one of your parts while gaming. Does gaming void your pcs warranty??? Is it possible that the GPU fan is not working properly on your unit? From reviews I have read, (esp. anandtech) the ATI should put out less heat than the 5650.

I remember reading in a separate thread about the latest rev of the 9600 that a couple of guys rang dell saying that the fan on the GPU was not running and were sent the new cards. Perhaps if you ring up with a specific problem such as this they will be happier to replace the faulty part? Also I believe that the later revs of the 9600 have slightly better thermal characterisitcs. Hope this helps.

Cheers

Sorry mate, just saw you were running the NVidia. Not sure if this has a built in GPU fan, but if it does, the same problem (ie. noisy/malfunctioning fan) should get you a new 'un)

[tonyreed]

The 5650 has a GPU fan, and it is running (unfortunately, as it would be a clean cut case of swapping the part.)
As I mentioned above I'm using fangui to monitor the gpu temperature, and to force both fans to run at max.

I really HATE having to write complaints to faceless departments like this, it's all to easy for them to stamp "rejected" on it, without giving any reason for it.

BTW. Does anyone have a electronic copy on the original blurb about the i8600 (pre 9100/XPS)
I think it may help if I can quote something mentioning games and the i8600 in the same sentence...

[V.B.]

some cooling solutions for those not working at a desk...

http://www.targus.com/us/accessories_workspace.asp

http://www.stacksandstacks.com/html/product505_0.htm

http://www.instand.com/instand_accessories_2.html#bbt

http://www.levenger.com/PAGETEMPLATES/NAVIGATION/PRDPREVIEW.ASP?CATEGORY=1-5-5&LEVEL=2-3-3&PAGEID=101-114-1765&PAGECOUNT=1&LINK=IMG

[tonyreed]

May be useful if all else fails, hopefully it wont be neccessary.
Wish me luck,
will keep you posted.

[DewDrop]

Been eyeing the swell Levenger Scooter for some time now to enhance my couch tater tasks.

[the nitz]

Hey there is a known heat issue with the 5650 fx i had it to but i modded mine heres the link for it http://www.bay-wolf.com/8500videoheat.htm, hope that helped my temps were alot hotter then urs and my lappy would shutdown now i can over clock and i still dont have a prob temps drop down to 60 in a matter of seconds.

niTz

[Fett101]

The CPU isn't the only thing to worry about. The RAM is hotter then the CPU most times, and it's smack dab in the middle.

[Tigerotor77W]

I'm new here and I may ask all the dumb, wrong questions, so I'll try to read more that write. In any case -- if I am NOT a gamer (but am an engineering student), should I be worried about the heat coming out the ATI 9600? Will it negatively affect my GPU's life?

[tonyreed]

The niTz: Thanks!
I had previously looked at the mod you refer to, but discarded it since it primarily dealt with the ati card.

Your experience has given me the confidence to give it a try, will let you know how things turned out.

Btw. about the temperatures I posted. They probably go higher, but FanGui doesn't report above 100ºC ...

[ofelas]

The RAM is hotter then the CPU most times, and it's smack dab in the middle

That is an error caused by some older versions of FanGui, where the RAM & GPU temps are (incorrectly) switched around.
FanGUI 2.20 corrects this; my memory NEVER gets above 46 C.

[the nitz]

The niTz: Thanks!
I had previously looked at the mod you refer to, but discarded it since it primarily dealt with the ati card.

Your experience has given me the confidence to give it a try, will let you know how things turned out.

Btw. about the temperatures I posted. They probably go higher, but FanGui doesn't report above 100ºC ...

ur welcome tony im glad to hear i could hlp
let us know how it goes the process isnt to hard the only pain is waiting for thecopper to clean,
anyway good luck and i hope it goes well

the niTz

[tonyreed]

..... How long does it take the copper to clean.......?

Finally got hold of the copper plate (not as easy in Norway as Bay-Wolf describes in the guide).

Currently waiting for it to clean. Smeared it with paste last night, gave it a rub this morning. Since it didn't look as nice and shiny as the one in Bay-Wolf's pics I'm doing it again.

[the nitz]

i noticed that it looks really like silver but its cause of glare from the light i just cleaned it with the paste and then my dad had some braso that he used and it worked a lot faster and when compared to the original copper it looks much light but nothing like the pic and way it works great for me remember clean it with alcohol or the other stuff like posted before u put it together

gd lck

the niTz

[tonyreed]

I'm a happy Banana :banana: !

Modded the 5650 on saturday, didn't have any time to put the card to the test until yesterday.

The GPU is now running at 75-80°C! (Running BfV, previous temps were well in excess of 100°C)

I'll post a before/after pic when I get home tonight.

Thanks for everones help.

Btw Nitz: Which drivers are you using? Omega's 56.72 Performance drivers maybe? What settings do you use?

[the nitz]

no i dont use omegas i use laptopvideo2go.com and i use version 62.20 and the latest inf i think 32 something they are the fastest for both dx8 and 9 good luck

the niTz