5680 memory upgrade...anyone ever have any ... ... Well, the long dark saga of gerryf's laptop memory upgrade travails has come to a successful conclusion.I ...

gerryf · 01-17-2006, 10:59 AM

Criminey, but this notebook is finicky...I've tried two seperate brands thus far, rated pc3200, 3 cas, and this laptop just will not boot up with anything other than what it came with.

I am beginning to give up hope on getting this up to a gig (supports up to 2gig supposedly).

The memory I have are 2 Apacer 256mb, CAS 3 modules, but have not been able to get similarly branded 512 sticks anywhere.

So, I tried some Adata and Patriot, no luck. Anyone have any luck with anything else?

bsmith · 01-17-2006, 12:36 PM

If it's any help I'm running kingston valu-ram in my box. No problems with it. They aren't even a matched set. I went to Circuit city and got it when it was on sale.

gerryf · 01-17-2006, 12:41 PM

Happen to know the model number? Did you use pc3200 or pc2700

Smewth · 01-17-2006, 01:17 PM

I have 2 Kingmax 512 sticks in my 5680 ,i got from Newegg.
Model # MSXC22D-KI

I looked on newegg and they only carry model# MSXC22D-KX now.

Hope this helps ya.

gerryf · 01-17-2006, 02:35 PM

This is what my current memory reads

Chipset Information :
Type : DDR-SDRAM PC3200
Frequency : 200 MHz
FSB/RAM Multiplier : 1/1x
Channels : Dual
Mode : Linear
PAT Enabled : No
ECC Diagnostic : No
CAS Latency (tCL) : 3 clocks
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 4 clocks
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 4 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 8 clocks

According to that, the Kingston Value Ram I've seen might have problems, as the voltage, RAS to CAS, RAS Precharge and Cycle time do not match--or can I expect the faster ram to clock down?

I've always been a bugger about my RAM timings, sticking close to stock

bsmith · 01-18-2006, 08:11 PM

what did you use get that info? I'll run it against mine and post my findings. I tried cpuz but it wasn't that granular.

gerryf · 01-18-2006, 09:23 PM

pc wizard, from the makers of cpuid

http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php

bsmith · 01-19-2006, 12:25 AM

here's both sticks.

Code:

 Information SPD EEPROM () :	 
Manufacturer :	Kingmax Semiconductor 
Part Number :	MSDC22D-38IB3-PAE 
Serial Number :	Unspecified 
Type :	DDR-SDRAM PC2100 (133 MHz)  -  [DDR-266] 
Size :	512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks) 
Module Buffered :	No 
Module Registered :	No 
Width :	64-bit 
Error Correction Capability :	No 
Max. Burst Length :	8 
Refresh :	Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh 
Voltage :	SSTL 2.5v 
Manufacture :	Week 0 of 2003 
Supported Frequencies :	100 MHz, 133 MHz 
CAS Latency (tCL) :	2 clocks @100 MHz, 2.5 clocks @133 MHz 
RAS to CAS (tRCD) :	2 clocks @100 MHz, 3 clocks @133 MHz 
RAS Precharge (tRP) :	2 clocks @100 MHz, 3 clocks @133 MHz 
Cycle Time (tRAS) :	5 clocks @100 MHz, 6 clocks @133 MHz 

 Information SPD EEPROM () :	 
Manufacturer :	Unspecified 
Part Number :	Unspecified 
Serial Number :	Unspecified 
Type :	DDR-SDRAM PC2700 (166 MHz)  -  [DDR-333] 
Size :	512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks) 
Module Buffered :	No 
Module Registered :	No 
Width :	64-bit 
Error Correction Capability :	No 
Max. Burst Length :	8 
Refresh :	Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh 
Voltage :	SSTL 2.5v 
Manufacture :	Week 0 of 2000 
Supported Frequencies :	133 MHz, 166 MHz 
CAS Latency (tCL) :	2 clocks @133 MHz, 2.5 clocks @166 MHz 
RAS to CAS (tRCD) :	3 clocks @133 MHz, 3 clocks @166 MHz 
RAS Precharge (tRP) :	3 clocks @133 MHz, 3 clocks @166 MHz 
Cycle Time (tRAS) :	6 clocks @133 MHz, 7 clocks @166 MHz

I'll open it up tomorrow and get the part number off the memory itself.

gerryf · 01-19-2006, 12:46 AM

You need not open it up....The info is right there. You are running pc2100 ram in one slot and pc2700 ram in the other. You are not only running below specification, but you are running with mismatched speeds, forcing your faster pc2700 ram to clock down to pc2100.

And, you've disabled dual channel memory.

I am sure it is very stable, but you are taking a hit in performance (though it is arguable that in real world applications you will really not notice if).

Interesting, how did this come about. Two different people just give you some RAM?

I have been leaning toward just chucking the pc3200 and going with two sticks of pc2700....

psyang · 01-19-2006, 08:48 AM

I was warned to simply make sure you got high quality ram for the 5680. I was lucky enough to buy 2 sticks of CAS 2.5 ram from someone on the forums who upgraded his laptop from a 5680 to one that required ddr2 ram. They have run flawlessly since I installed them about a year ago. Here are the cpuid specs:

Code:

 General Information :	 
DIMM 0 (J6G1) :	1024 MB - DIMM 
DIMM 2 (J6H1) :	1024 MB - DIMM 

 Information SPD EEPROM () :	 
Manufacturer :	Kingmax Semiconductor 
Part Number :	MSXD42D-D8IB3-MAA 
Serial Number :	Unspecified 
Type :	DDR-SDRAM PC3200 (200 MHz)  -  [DDR-400] 
Size :	1024 MB (2 rows, 4 banks) 
Module Buffered :	No 
Module Registered :	No 
Width :	64-bit 
Error Correction Capability :	No 
Max. Burst Length :	8 
Refresh :	Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh 
Voltage :	SSTL 2.5v 
Manufacture :	Week 0 of 2004 
Supported Frequencies :	133 MHz, 200 MHz 
CAS Latency (tCL) :	2 clocks @133 MHz, 2.5 clocks @200 MHz 
RAS to CAS (tRCD) :	3 clocks @133 MHz, 4 clocks @200 MHz 
RAS Precharge (tRP) :	3 clocks @133 MHz, 4 clocks @200 MHz 
Cycle Time (tRAS) :	6 clocks @133 MHz, 8 clocks @200 MHz 

 Information SPD EEPROM () :	 
Manufacturer :	Kingmax Semiconductor 
Part Number :	MSXD42D-D8IB3-MAA 
Serial Number :	Unspecified 
Type :	DDR-SDRAM PC3200 (200 MHz)  -  [DDR-400] 
Size :	1024 MB (2 rows, 4 banks) 
Module Buffered :	No 
Module Registered :	No 
Width :	64-bit 
Error Correction Capability :	No 
Max. Burst Length :	8 
Refresh :	Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh 
Voltage :	SSTL 2.5v 
Manufacture :	Week 0 of 2004 
Supported Frequencies :	133 MHz, 200 MHz 
CAS Latency (tCL) :	2 clocks @133 MHz, 2.5 clocks @200 MHz 
RAS to CAS (tRCD) :	3 clocks @133 MHz, 4 clocks @200 MHz 
RAS Precharge (tRP) :	3 clocks @133 MHz, 4 clocks @200 MHz 
Cycle Time (tRAS) :	6 clocks @133 MHz, 8 clocks @200 MHz 

 Memory Controller Information :	 
Memory Controller :	System Memory 
Location :	Mainboard 
Error Correction Capability :	No 
Number of connectors :	2 
Max. Module Size :	4194304  KB

gerryf · 01-19-2006, 09:31 AM

THose look perfect, and match exactly a pair of patriot sodimms I put in. 2.5CAS, 4 ras to cas, 4 rad precharge, and 8 cycle time.

Thank you very much. This confirms that I am just unlucky, I guess, getting two different ram batches that were bad.

psyang · 01-19-2006, 10:18 AM

Glad to be of service - you certainly deserve some help given all the help you've dished out in the past.

-Peter

bsmith · 01-19-2006, 10:38 AM

One was original from the 5670 and then I went to CC and got another 512. I had to cheap out when I went to the 5690 board.

gerryf · 01-27-2006, 09:10 AM

Well, the long dark saga of gerryf's laptop memory upgrade travails has come to a successful conclusion.

I was never able to find a supplier of apacer memory on the internet or locally, and after multiple brands of pc3200 had all but given up.

Tried Crucial, Corsair, Kingston, Adata, Patriot, Pny, and Centon (the last two under GREAT protest--I have never had a good experience with Centon and Pny has been limited).

I got lucky, actually, when I hit a local PC store for some old pc133 ram for an old computer I was refurbing for an elderly woman down the street. The guy had a couple of 512mb AllComponent ram marked pc3200 with no added info....he didn't know the timings, or voltage.

What the heck, so I popped the keyboard out in the car dropped the ram in and was stunned to see it boot up! Not only did it boot, it ran 20+passes on memtest86+ all night without a failure.

Here are the specs for those who care:

Quote:

Manufacturer : Unspecified
Part Number : MALABS
Serial Number : Unspecified
Type : DDR-SDRAM PC3200 (200 MHz)
Size : 512 MB (1 rows, 4 banks)
Module Buffered : No
Module Registered : No
Width : 64-bit
Error Correction Capability : No
Max. Burst Length : 8
Refresh : Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh
Voltage : SSTL 2.5v
Supported Frequencies : 133 MHz, 166 MHz, 200 MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) : 2 clocks @133 MHz, 2.5 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 2 clocks @133 MHz, 3 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 2 clocks @133 MHz, 3 clocks @166 MHz, 3 clocks @200 MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 6 clocks @133 MHz, 7 clocks @166 MHz, 8 clocks @200 MHz

For those who come after:
I was next going to try www.oempcworld.com, which claims to have available pc3200 that will work in the d500p, which is the Clevo name for the Sager 5680...for what it is worth, Sager also sells some ram in their accessories section for $80 that I completely missed the first time through.

I paid $56 each for the AllComponent, but the time and frustration of finding the ram, not to mention the cost of shipping or driving all the non-compatible ram back probably puts the end cost of each stick closer to $65.

01-17-2006, 10:59 AM	#1
gerryf this is not here Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 821 Credits: -121	5680 memory upgrade...anyone ever have any luck? Criminey, but this notebook is finicky...I've tried two seperate brands thus far, rated pc3200, 3 cas, and this laptop just will not boot up with anything other than what it came with. I am beginning to give up hope on getting this up to a gig (supports up to 2gig supposedly). The memory I have are 2 Apacer 256mb, CAS 3 modules, but have not been able to get similarly branded 512 sticks anywhere. So, I tried some Adata and Patriot, no luck. Anyone have any luck with anything else? __________________ What if the hokey-pokey really is what it's all about?

01-17-2006, 12:36 PM	#2
bsmith Just a newb. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,492 Credits: 231	If it's any help I'm running kingston valu-ram in my box. No problems with it. They aren't even a matched set. I went to Circuit city and got it when it was on sale. __________________ Sager 5670 upgraded to 5690 3.06HT, 1G mem, 1x 100G & 1x 40G drives, UXGA LCD, XP Pro dual boot Gentoo 2005.0 from a stage 1, pure udev. I love this beast.

01-17-2006, 12:41 PM	#3
gerryf this is not here Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 821 Credits: -121	Happen to know the model number? Did you use pc3200 or pc2700 __________________ What if the hokey-pokey really is what it's all about?

01-17-2006, 01:17 PM	#4
Smewth Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 44 Credits: -294	I have 2 Kingmax 512 sticks in my 5680 ,i got from Newegg. Model # MSXC22D-KI I looked on newegg and they only carry model# MSXC22D-KX now. Hope this helps ya. __________________ Precision M70: Pentium M Processor 770 (2.0GHz)\| 15.4 WUXGA LCD (1920x1200)\|2 GB DDR2 SDRAM 533MHz\|NVIDIA Quadro FX Go1400 256MB OpenGL\|60 GB EIDE Hard Drive (7200 RPM)\|Intel PRO/Wireless 2200\|8x DVD +/- RW Last edited by Smewth; 01-17-2006 at 01:24 PM.

01-17-2006, 02:35 PM	#5
gerryf this is not here Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 821 Credits: -121	This is what my current memory reads Chipset Information : Type : DDR-SDRAM PC3200 Frequency : 200 MHz FSB/RAM Multiplier : 1/1x Channels : Dual Mode : Linear PAT Enabled : No ECC Diagnostic : No CAS Latency (tCL) : 3 clocks RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 4 clocks RAS Precharge (tRP) : 4 clocks Cycle Time (tRAS) : 8 clocks According to that, the Kingston Value Ram I've seen might have problems, as the voltage, RAS to CAS, RAS Precharge and Cycle time do not match--or can I expect the faster ram to clock down? I've always been a bugger about my RAM timings, sticking close to stock __________________ What if the hokey-pokey really is what it's all about?

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01-18-2006, 08:11 PM	#6
bsmith Just a newb. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,492 Credits: 231	what did you use get that info? I'll run it against mine and post my findings. I tried cpuz but it wasn't that granular. __________________ Sager 5670 upgraded to 5690 3.06HT, 1G mem, 1x 100G & 1x 40G drives, UXGA LCD, XP Pro dual boot Gentoo 2005.0 from a stage 1, pure udev. I love this beast.

01-18-2006, 09:23 PM	#7
gerryf this is not here Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 821 Credits: -121	pc wizard, from the makers of cpuid http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php __________________ What if the hokey-pokey really is what it's all about?

01-19-2006, 12:46 AM	#9
gerryf this is not here Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 821 Credits: -121	You need not open it up....The info is right there. You are running pc2100 ram in one slot and pc2700 ram in the other. You are not only running below specification, but you are running with mismatched speeds, forcing your faster pc2700 ram to clock down to pc2100. And, you've disabled dual channel memory. I am sure it is very stable, but you are taking a hit in performance (though it is arguable that in real world applications you will really not notice if). Interesting, how did this come about. Two different people just give you some RAM? I have been leaning toward just chucking the pc3200 and going with two sticks of pc2700.... __________________ What if the hokey-pokey really is what it's all about?

01-19-2006, 09:31 AM	#11
gerryf this is not here Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 821 Credits: -121	THose look perfect, and match exactly a pair of patriot sodimms I put in. 2.5CAS, 4 ras to cas, 4 rad precharge, and 8 cycle time. Thank you very much. This confirms that I am just unlucky, I guess, getting two different ram batches that were bad. __________________ What if the hokey-pokey really is what it's all about?

01-19-2006, 10:18 AM	#12
psyang Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 342 Credits: -58	Glad to be of service - you certainly deserve some help given all the help you've dished out in the past. -Peter

01-19-2006, 10:38 AM	#13
bsmith Just a newb. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,492 Credits: 231	One was original from the 5670 and then I went to CC and got another 512. I had to cheap out when I went to the 5690 board. __________________ Sager 5670 upgraded to 5690 3.06HT, 1G mem, 1x 100G & 1x 40G drives, UXGA LCD, XP Pro dual boot Gentoo 2005.0 from a stage 1, pure udev. I love this beast.

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