Notebookforums
 
 Home 
       
 Forums 
 
 Guides 
   


Go Back   NotebookForums.com > General Notebook Discussions > Notebook Forums - General

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-18-2004, 05:47 PM   #1
Tomasz
Registered User

Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 131
Credits: -295
 
Tomasz is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Hitachi 5k80 Intermittent Clicking Noises

My Hitachi drive just will not stop clicking… This issue has been raised on this forum and other forums before, but I am not sure if a definitive resolution has been found. Apparently, these clicks are the result of Hitachi’s ABLE power management technology that appears to be over-aggressively and continually loading and unloading the drive’s heads. IBM has a short write-up that covers this issue: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview...psg1MIGR-42320

Does anyone have a solution for this problem? I have tried to use Hitachi’s Feature Tool and Power Booster 2k to turn off APM, but these tools only allow me to set the power mode from 0x01 to 0xFF, and do not allow me to fully disable APM.

I have also noticed that Dell and IBM have released firmware updates for these drives to “correct an intermittent clicking noise issue.”:
http://support.dell.com/support/down...4953&devlib=26

http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview...1008&loc=en_US

Dell provides firmware version A5EA and IBM provides A5DA. My drive has firmware version A53A, which is seems to be an older version under this hexadecimal numbering scheme. I was about to update my drive using one of these firmwares, but first I contacted Hitachi support; here is their official response:
The drives manufactured for the OEMs like dell and IBM have custom
firmware on them. At this time, we do not have any generic firmware
updates for our Travelstar line of hard drives. Individual system
manufacturer's may release updates, but these are considered to be system
specific, and are not designed to be applied to a drive that does not fall
into the specific situation described on the manufacturer's website.
Applying a firmware update from a specific manufacturer to a drive that
does not meet the specific requirements can render the drive inoperable,
and is not recommended or supported by Hitachi Global Storage Technologies.

Has anyone successfully updated their Hitachi 5k80 (or 7k60) drive using either the Dell or IBM firmware? If so, does it reduce the clicking noises? Also, if anyone has recently bought a 5k80 or 7k60 drive, what firmware revision did it come with? This can be checked using Everest from Lavalys, Drive Fitness Test from Hitachi, or with Power Booster 2k from Hitachi.

Thanks.
Tomasz is offline   Reply With Quote

Old 10-18-2004, 11:12 PM   #2
stocktonnj
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 64
Credits: -330
 
stocktonnj is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
that response is BS, Others incuded myself who do not own a dell or IBM have updated the firmware in our drives and had to my understanding no one has had problems. I believe Hitachi was just covering their butts. I personally did it and would tell you to do it also but just make sure to follow the EXACT directions and you wil be find, Ill try to dig up the thread im referring too, Ill add it as an edit when i find it.
stocktonnj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2004, 04:39 PM   #3
Tomasz
Registered User

Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 131
Credits: -295
 
Tomasz is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Thanks for the response, I really appreciate it. I figured that the firmware update would work. However, I just wanted to be careful in order to avoid doing something prone to failure.

If you have the time, I have just a couple of questions:
Which firmware did you use to upgrade (Dell or IBM, and which revision)?

Is there a noticable difference in the clicking after the upgrade?

Did you upgrade using a bootable CD (or some other type of bootable USB drive)? My laptop lacks a floppy drive...
Tomasz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2004, 06:12 PM   #4
stocktonnj
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 64
Credits: -330
 
stocktonnj is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
1. I used the IBM firmware, I just dont trust dell with anything.
2. Yes there was a big difference. There is still a SLIGHT clicking noise but i cannot hear it over my laptop's fan.
3. I used a bootable USB flash drive.
__________________
Mayhem G2 (Mitac 8050)
1.7 Pentium M Dothan
1024 PC2700
Radeon 9700 128MB
60Gb 7200RPM HDD
15.4" WXGA
Intel 2200 B/G
Good Times All Around
stocktonnj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2004, 03:52 AM   #5
Kantad
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 20
Credits: -344
 
Kantad is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Okey, sorry for picking up this old thread, but I need help.

First, Tomasz, did you succeed as well?

Stocktonnj, you say you where to dig up a thread with EXACT steps, but I don't see any. It would make me more comftable if I had a list to follow.

And last, what is a bootable USB flash drive, or a bootable CD? I only know the XP-bootable cd.
Kantad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2004, 09:50 AM   #6
Wu-Tang
Peace To The Gods.
 
Wu-Tang's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Some where hot and it's not the kitchen!
Posts: 498
Credits: -198
 
Wu-Tang is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kantad
Okey, sorry for picking up this old thread, but I need help.

First, Tomasz, did you succeed as well?

Stocktonnj, you say you where to dig up a thread with EXACT steps, but I don't see any. It would make me more comftable if I had a list to follow.

And last, what is a bootable USB flash drive, or a bootable CD? I only know the XP-bootable cd.
I say this to you as a WARNING!
As you dont know or understand what a bootable USB device nor know what a bootable CD is you should not under go this update.
Firmware flashing can make or break your device be it you bios, optical drive etc. You need some understanding of firmware flashing to under go this.
Anyway in ones Bios you need to set the USB device to Boot if you have this option. From there on you need a device like a Flash memory stick or pen, hdd or floppy drive all USB in this case. LOAD your firmware on to it (device) and follow the instruction that are in the read me notes or on the site that the firmware came from.
If you need info on making a bootable CD look at these sites

http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/

http://www.burningissues.net/how_to/...eCD/bootcd.htm

http://www.iomega.com/support/manual...da/bootcd.html
__________________

Optical Drive Replacement
Wu-Tang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2004, 09:56 AM   #7
Brib3
Registered User
 
Brib3's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: virginia usa
Posts: 383
Credits: 106
 
Brib3 is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
from what i know, hdd's start making click noises when they have bad sectors on them. run a checkup
__________________
i won't deny it, i'm a straight rider u don't wanna f4ck with me
Brib3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2004, 03:45 PM   #8
Kantad
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 20
Credits: -344
 
Kantad is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Wu-Tang.
Thank you, and also for your concern. Just to mention, it's not that I didn't now what a bootable drive is, just didn't now how to make one (or which usb-sticks that could have bootable option.) I've done a bootable cd ones to fix my bootsector - but a program made the cd.
Think i'll stick to the cd then.

Brib3, your right and I will double check that, though this issue is a knowed problem with Hitatchi 80Gb disks.
Kantad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2004, 01:17 AM   #9
Tomasz
Registered User

Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 131
Credits: -295
 
Tomasz is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Well, I normally wouldn't re-resurrect an old thread like this, but I do have some updates.

I finally tried to update my hitachi 5k80 firmware. Unfortunately, both the IBM and Dell tools said that there is no new firmware for my drive. This is total BS because I'm running MG4OA53A and the newest firmware is MG4OA5EA! For reference, I tried to update using a bootable floppy from a USB floppy drive.

With some editing of configuration files, I was able to persuade the IBM tool to recognize that my drive needs an update (by default, FW.exe checks the current version of your firmware and only updates if it finds version A50A, A55A, or A5BA). The program appeared to do its thing, but apparantly, it didn't because my firmware version still shows up as MG4OA53A and the drive still clicks - although it seems as if the clicks might be lighter in sound now, but I'm probably just imagining things!

Now before I begin my lifetime boycott of Hitachi hard disks and take a sledgehammer to this drive, which I ironically bought because I though it would be very quiet, I have some questions for other Hitachi owners:

* If you have updated your firmware, please tell me how you did it. What firmware did you start with? Did the firmware version number get updated on the drive after the update? Did Windows recognize the drive as "new hardware" after the update?

* If you have a Hitachi drive that doesn't click (5k80 or 7k60 series), please tell me which firmware revision you are running. This can be easily found out using the Hitachi Feature Tool or Everest.

Thank you in advance.
Tomasz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2004, 01:50 AM   #10
under0ath7
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 68
Credits: -326
 
under0ath7 is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
i just got my 8600 on christmas and of course i got the 30gb HDD. it WONT STOP CLICKING(i have a 30gb hitachi). im losing my mind when im just surfing the net or doing some other things like word. im not at all experianced with flashing or whatever, so i wont be able to do this. ahhhhhhhhhhh all i hear is click click click click. i literally just have to put music on from media player so it wont drive me crazy! well i just wanted to share my experiance, and im just upset that i have no idea how to fix this by flashing it or whateve.





<-------crazzzzzyy
under0ath7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2005, 06:51 PM   #11
Tomasz
Registered User

Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 131
Credits: -295
 
Tomasz is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Any Hitachi 5k80 or 7k60 owners, please answer the following questions, if possible, in order to help me to find a solution for my drive's "clicking" problem:

* Are you able to disable APM (power managment) completely using Hitachi's Feature Tool? If so, what firmware are you running? My firmware (A53A) will not allow me to do this! I only get the following options:
Active Idle
Low Power Idle
Standby

* More generally, is your drive also clicking at idle like mine? If it is not, then please tell me which firmware you are running and to what power mode your drive is set.

For reference, here are some more descriptions of the problem I'm encountering:
http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/pipermai...er/001703.html
http://forums.storagereview.net/inde...howtopic=14145
http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread...hreadid=249155
Tomasz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2005, 07:54 AM   #12
Henrik
Crazy Swede
 
Henrik's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 724
Credits: -74
 
Henrik is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Resurrecting the tread... Tomasz, I have been able to upgrade the firmware in my 80Gb Hitachi 5K80 and here's how you do it. I guess you tried to edit the FW.PRO file in order to let it accept firmware upgrade A53A -> A5DA. However, this configuration file is only for FW.EXE which is only a shell for the real flashing program HFUI12L.EXE, the command executed by FW.EXE is "HFUI12L.EXE IA5DA -pm MG4IA5DA.BIN /U MRLA5DA.TBL". If you execute this command from the DOS command prompt you'll see that the upgrade aborts. I did two things, first edit MRLA5DA.TBL, copy the IBM model checksum to OEM generic model, then I executed "HFUI12L.EXE OA5DA -pm MG4IA5DA.BIN /U MRLA5DA.TBL" from command prompt. Notice the difference between the parameters. The flash runs successfully and the firmware version gets updated to A5DA as seen in different utilities. Also, when I started windows, a "new" harddisk was found.
__________________
HENRIK
Clevo 5600D / Sager 5660 | P4 3.06GHz HT | 1024 Mb RAM

"Knowing is not understanding. There is a great difference between knowing and understanding: you can know a lot about something and not really understand it." - Charles F. Kettering
Henrik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2005, 02:47 AM   #13
markplex
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2
Credits: -350
 
markplex is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Hi Henrik:

Thanks for the update, but I don't understand the part "copy the IBM model checksum to OEM generic model". What do you mean with that?

Could you be more specific, please ?

Thanks in advance

Mark
markplex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2005, 03:29 AM   #14
Henrik
Crazy Swede
 
Henrik's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 724
Credits: -74
 
Henrik is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Quote:
Originally Posted by markplex
Hi Henrik:

Thanks for the update, but I don't understand the part "copy the IBM model checksum to OEM generic model". What do you mean with that?

Could you be more specific, please ?

Thanks in advance

Mark
Edit MRLA5DA.TBL with a text editor. Look for "IBM" and "checksum", Copy the lines to the "OEM" section.
__________________
HENRIK
Clevo 5600D / Sager 5660 | P4 3.06GHz HT | 1024 Mb RAM

"Knowing is not understanding. There is a great difference between knowing and understanding: you can know a lot about something and not really understand it." - Charles F. Kettering
Henrik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2005, 04:02 AM   #15
markplex
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2
Credits: -350
 
markplex is a n00b, but everyone loves n00bs!
Hi Henrik:

Thanks for your reply. But there is no IBM or OEM zone. I don't know what text editor you are using. There are only 2 zones "Parameter Table", and "Checksum".

Mark
markplex is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Samsung hard drive intermittent clicking ppen1 Dell Home (Inspiron, XPS, Studio) 3 09-11-2005 08:12 AM
FS: Hitachi 5K80-80gb, 8mb cache, 5400rpm drive lesterp Notebooks For Sale - Wanted 1 05-18-2005 02:07 AM
Hard Drive Clicking noises... not constant EyeSixer Dell Notebooks - General 10 04-14-2005 08:57 AM
Hitachi 5k80 or Seagate Momentus? murphyja Notebook Forums - General 0 03-08-2005 09:47 AM
Hard drive making clicking noises jaffa_cree Dell Notebooks - General 30 01-15-2005 10:28 AM



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2001-2010 NotebookForums LLC