Intel Yonah to be shipped mid 06 - Page 2

well thats interesting.

Agreed with the comment about laptop speeds and just getitng a desktop. It probably makes the most sense to have a good, portable laptop to keep that for years and just keep upgrading a desktop for performance (since that'll cost less too).

Looking at what was posted and the roadmap, Yonah really doesn't look that appealing. I'd personally rather wait to see what Merom has to offer. I think increasing speed or number of cores isn't really as important as increasing efficiency/battery life. I'm also wondering what integrated solution will ship with Napa/Santa Rosa. It would be nice to see improved integrated graphics, sort of like the ATI 200m or whatever it's called, especially for ultracompacts/thin and lights.

And as far as Windows vista goes, I don't think people will really upgrade if it doesn't offer anything spectacular above XP. XP (pro at least) is a good OS and doesn't have the horrible stability problems of earlier windows versions. Unless there are huge changes, I don't really see the need to upgrade.

Huh? Yonah is going to be even better with regard to battery life. 30w tdp for both cores and only one core is used in battery mode. So you have 15w with yonah vs 22w at best with the dothans.

Yeah, this sounds pretty cool for the new Powerbooks next year'ish!

why they can't go straight to 64 bits =(((((

Probably because they don't think it'll be necessary until Merom comes out (last I heard, it was Yonah Q1 '06, Merom 2H '06). Anyway, this is actually perfect for me. A Sonoma laptop for a year, then trade it in for a Merom-based lappy. The only thing that I don't like about the new processors is that Vanderpool shit. Between that and Windows Vista, I might never upgrade past XP SP2 and the z70va might be my last Intel CPU.

Luckily, Vista's DRM will probably be able to be turned off with a freaking javascript or something. Oh, Microsoft.....will you ever learn? The hardware-based DRM is a little scarier though.

Why can't you get a PhD in computer science in 12 months? May be a bit more difficult and time consuming than you anticipated?

Seriously guys, it's all nice to talk about the latest and greatest hardware, but are you seriously talking about buying into these technologies? Both of the technologies you're talking about really don't make sense to me in laptops.

Dual core processors: You do know this is hardly going to make a difference in your computing life, right? Sure a lot of the recent OSs support multiple processors and multiple threaded programs, but if your applications don't do multi-threading, it's useless. How many mainstream apps out there do you know of that supports multi-threading? a server or a high-end workstation running some serious computing-intensive apps, mutliple processors makes sense. On a laptop? There would have to be some serious shifts in pricing or the way programs are coded for me to even consider it. If the price and thermal dissipation for a mutli-core chip were around the price-point for a single core, hell yeah! why not?

64-bit computing: They said the 64-bit revolution would sweep everything else under the rug next year when it first came out. Well, it's been a year already and just about the only 64-bit enabled software I've seen is XP-64 and a 64-bit version of Far Cry that's not a real improvement over the original. Seems the software isn't quite ready to catch up to the hardware yet. Give it a few more years I say, but 64-bit computing wouldn't even be a consideration for me as far as notebooks go. If there were real benefits to 64 bit computing, chances are I'd run it on my more powerful desktop anyway.

I think there is a serious marketing problem regarding multi-cores and 64-bit hardware. None of it can really be taken advantage of right now or in the foreseeable future in a laptop. How to make it palatable to the average consumer (because it's going to be more expensive and you know it). Aside from the technical reasons, maybe there's a marketing reason for why Intel's been a bit slow releasing it?

Toshiba will be debuting a bunch of new technology at CES in Jan 2006.

You will see many manufacturers start to label notebooks in Q4 and Q1 as Vista Ready...to insure that customers don't STOP buying notebooks due to the new OS.

The hard truth is that Notebooks are far outpacing desktop sales... overall what we all think notebooks "should" be used for is no longer the case.

people are replaceing desktops with notebooks.

64-Bit technology will not be that more expensive then previous historical changes in Processing technology.

Is 64bit ahead of the curve a bit... yes..just a bit.

will it get customers excited? yes.

will it get customers more motivated to move from older PCs in the home and corporate offices that they deem as "just enough computing"....yes.

Nice rebuttal! Do you have any comments on the mobile dual-core technology? I've been looking for reasoned alternative viewpoints on it.

Laptops sales being what they may, desktops that are being bought are becoming more powerful, more 'workstationized' I've seen for the first time this year, workstations for a business environment being purchased with RAID arrays.

Vista: It's generating a lot of buzz. People think of it as an inevitable upgrade. What's so special about it? All I see is another bloated MS product with an option to reduce the bloat slightly, all managed by MS's DRM scheme...sure it'll be pretty, but is that all it takes to make you guys drool?

I'm sticking with XP Pro for a while until Vista can prove itself (or die trying) I may try out XP 64 on a new AMD 64 machine if I ever get around to building it.

I was always (15 years) big fan of desktops. And though it will never change. I went form intel DX386 through DX486, AMD K6, Penitum MMX, Pentium III, Penitum Celeron, Pentium 4. All were desktops. But year ago I need to move to another country and then when I had to take my Antec Miditower (25kg) with me to the airport I almoust died. So I bought barbone Shuttle. Man that is sweet. I putted everything form my ANtec into this small baby and have no problems.But it's still not enough for me I want go even more smaller and more mobile this is why I'm thinking about laptop. I want totaly move form desktop to laptop. I think this is the way the world is, everything is going smaller (smaller cell phones, smaller cameras etc.) Why not computers? In my opinion in future desktops will stay only as servers and maybe render farms. They will generate less heat, consume less power, it's only better for us, users.

Honestly, I'm more psyched to see a final copy of OSX for Intel processors hacked and running on a PC more than Vista. I can't think of one thing about Vista that would make me want to upgrade to it....


Hmm, crippling DRM? No thanks...

Doesn't play nicely with OpenGL? Pass...

'Updated' GUI? That's why I have objectdock...

If anybody can name a positive new feature of Vista except shiney new icons, please, enlighten me.

Merom, on the other hand, I am excited for. 64bit doesn't excite me too much because I know the performance increase for most programs is minimal at best, but that does seem to be where the industry is heading, so okay. Dual-core on the other hand, will make for a pretty nice performance increase when more programs (especially games) are multithreaded. Plus, the ability to enable both cores while plugged in and disable one while mobile gives you best of both worlds. Dual core power when you need it, and energy efficent processing when you don't. I think that will make an even bigger step to phasing out desktops (not completely, but you know...). Not to mention all the other improvements coming with Merom (more performance per watt, longer battery life, the 'next generation' of Centrino, ect.). Not to mention virtualization. I honestly can't wait for the day I can switch between various OSs.

Dual core is definitely the wave of the future. Once you get your hands on a dual core CPU you will never want to go back to a single core. I have had a dual core AMD X2 4400+ for a while but i finally decided to sell off all my desktop hardware and just get a laptop so now i have a Dell XPS 2 with a Pentium M 770. You definitely notice the difference in multitasking because the Pentium M isn't that great of a multitasking CPU even for a single core. With a dual core CPU everything is just completely fluid and you can open multiple applications at a time without a hitch. It also makes for MUCH faster encodeing times for music and movies.