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Just got a Tecra A4-S211 (arrives on Friday) - need advice on changing parts..

post #1 of 28
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Few things, the specs say (915GM chipset) support dual channel DDR, yet it appears it comes with just one stick 512.

So, can I change it to faster DDR in dual channel?

2nd. The HD is 60GB 4200, I want to replace it with a 7200 and start from scratch, is this easy to do? Instructions anywhere?

3rd. Would a FW HD be just as fast as the above?

4. I am a big fan of AMD 64, but the centrino's are supposed to be pretty powerful, are these notebooks overclockable?

5. If no to 4., is it possible to upgrade the CPU when the prices come down?

I don't really care about gaming as much (ok maybe some unreal 2004) but for the most part I need a fast HD, fast memory (dual channel 512x2), preferably overclocked (so the FSB runs faster) and use it for my nightime recording/scratch pad, using programs such as reason or cakewalks Project 5.

thanks for all the help...........

:-)
post #2 of 28
you can add a second stick of 512 to achieve dual channel, or you can pull both sticks a replace them with matching sticks of whatever size you want to have to utilize the dual channel.

the hdd replacement is pretty simple i dont have instructions but there is a but when it comes to hdd replacements. firstly it will totally void your warranty unless it is done with toshiba parts and toshiba's concent, do it on your own and your warranty isnt worth the paper its written on.

a usb2.0 or firewire external hdd wont void your warranty (a good thing for sure) and will also mean you can save loads more files. however dont plan to run programs off it since the usb speed it too slow. that said it is great for storing files and things like movies or pictures.

you cant really overclock the centrino p-m chip but for most uses it will be plenty fast enough. replacing the processor is pretty easy, but it still can be tricky.
post #3 of 28
1. Yes. Just make sure it's ddr and not ddr2. To utilize the dual channel you'll need to make sur that not only is the speed the same, but also the latencies. So ideally you'll want to get identical sticks.

2. Yes. Piece of cake. I think the manual (wither the online one or a printed one) will have instructions on how to get into the harddrive. There should be a single plastic cover to remove (either on the bottom, or one of the sides) that may be held in place by a screw. Removing this piece of plastic wil get you access to the hard drive and it's caddy. Just pull it out, swap the drive and rebuild. A fidget mentioned you may have problems with the warranty. Make take a good look at the documentation as I think the tecra HDD's are user accessible and changeable without affecting the warranty.

3. No. The firewire will be slower.

4. I don't know. You may want to look into one of the overclocking threads (look in notebook guides or notebook general here in the forums) to find out more about that. also look into the pinmod as there is a way to "switch" the cpu to a higher speed by adding a little piece of wire (like a jumper) to bridge two pins that the cpu connects into the mobo. From what I recall, some of the users had cotten 1.7GHz cpus to clock up to 2.1? GHz by just adding this wire. Then if you do have some problem downt he line and need to send it n for warranty repair, pull the pinmod wire out before sending it in and they should never even know!!

5. It'll be possible to swap the cpu for one that is originally offered for this model without having to fuss with the bios. So yes you could swap it, but that would definately void your warranty. Better off with the pinmod.

Congrat's on the new laptop. This is the one that I want ot get as well, and I'm sure you'll like it.
post #4 of 28
actually g00nter the pinmod is only done with older m-m processors so he would still end up replacing his processor to do the mod. although yes you can get some amazing performance out of a mod'd one. the pinmod voids your warranty and if toshiba finds that you have done it your warranty is toast.
post #5 of 28
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Thanks all, well, it seems the specs send 1 stick of PC2700, which isn't really so it really isn't utilizing the 533 FSB is it?! So what is the fastest stock memory I can get (dual channel (links appreciated), also, it's the GM015 chipset and according to intels website they look almost identical with the exception of the intergrated GPU which obviously is turned off as it ships with a X600.

Lastly, what's the final on the newer "M" overclocking, will a wire trick work or not, and what key words should I search for? I know right now the 2.1/.3 M are $$$$ but should come down in price as the duals hit the market, also, having gone back to intel for the first time in a few years (present desktop AMD64 3200 @ 2.75 stable), I am curious as to what the pin count is on this CPU, and am a little lost with this series, for example, I know about the 939 AMD, so this means ANY 939 chip can go in a 939 mother board including X2 with a bios update.

Thanks for the help and really looking forward to learning more about laptops as I have build many pc's so look forward (after a while) to pimping it out for recording. Just hoping the PCIexpress bus doesn't hog/share with the graphics (although dedicated).

Looking forward to the day when we can start swaping out motherboards, GPU's etc, as people will not want to invest over and over so it's only a matter of time, you know, white box standards....should replace desktops soon...

Thanks and please anwser if possible!
post #6 of 28
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PPS, I'm confused, it ships with DDR 2700 but doesn't it support 533MHz DDR2?

Please advise.

Thanks
post #7 of 28
no it does not support ddr2... not that big a loss really cause there is almost zero improvement from ddr1 to ddr2.
post #8 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by composer11
Thanks all, well, it seems the specs send 1 stick of PC2700, which isn't really so it really isn't utilizing the 533 FSB is it?! So what is the fastest stock memory I can get (dual channel (links appreciated), also, it's the GM015 chipset and according to intels website they look almost identical with the exception of the intergrated GPU which obviously is turned off as it ships with a X600.

Lastly, what's the final on the newer "M" overclocking, will a wire trick work or not, and what key words should I search for? I know right now the 2.1/.3 M are $$$$ but should come down in price as the duals hit the market, also, having gone back to intel for the first time in a few years (present desktop AMD64 3200 @ 2.75 stable), I am curious as to what the pin count is on this CPU, and am a little lost with this series, for example, I know about the 939 AMD, so this means ANY 939 chip can go in a 939 mother board including X2 with a bios update.

Thanks for the help and really looking forward to learning more about laptops as I have build many pc's so look forward (after a while) to pimping it out for recording. Just hoping the PCIexpress bus doesn't hog/share with the graphics (although dedicated).

Looking forward to the day when we can start swaping out motherboards, GPU's etc, as people will not want to invest over and over so it's only a matter of time, you know, white box standards....should replace desktops soon...

Thanks and please anwser if possible!

you can go dual channel pc 3200 i believe but no 533mhz ddr2, though the dual channel makes up for it so no biggie...

no OC ability on the chip what will come in your system so you are kinda sunk on that one. the pinmod works but not on the one you will be getting you need an older chip. look around the forums and perhaps ask for more info on p-m pinmodding in the laptop general section as they will be able to show you the way. i have no clue what the current pin count is but i can say that you wont be upgrading in the same way as a desktop for the cpu... or any other part for that matter.
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by Fidget
you can go dual channel pc 3200 i believe but no 533mhz ddr2, though the dual channel makes up for it so no biggie...

no OC ability on the chip what will come in your system so you are kinda sunk on that one. the pinmod works but not on the one you will be getting you need an older chip. look around the forums and perhaps ask for more info on p-m pinmodding in the laptop general section as they will be able to show you the way. i have no clue what the current pin count is but i can say that you wont be upgrading in the same way as a desktop for the cpu... or any other part for that matter.
Why then do the specs says 533 FSB, is it not 533 FSB???

Regarding other parts , I can always swap out the CD burner/DVD reader to a DVD writer and change the HD to a 7200 compatible though right, or no? Lastly, can I upgrade (purchase a newer faster high speed CPU and swap it?)

Thanks again.
post #10 of 28
Yes the FSB of the CPU is 533, but the memory will only take DDR. DDr2 is lower voltage and uses a different notch layout so you physically cannot get the chip in there. The fastest DDR out there right now is the 400, as far as I know. The good news is that by dual channelling it you can get it to raise higher than the FSB so it's all the same. There is a thread in the notebook general section on the DDR vs DDR2 from a few months back. In there are a bunch of links to benchmarks and the like.

Fidget is right, I forgot that the pinmod is used to switch a 400MHz FSB CPU to 533, thereby also increasing the overall speed of a 1.7GHz to aboiut 2.1 or so.

Yes you'll be able to switch to a 7200 HDD, but check the warranty to make sure. As for the optical drive, physically you should be able to do it, but you may have problems with the warranty if you don't have it done by a Toshiba tech.
post #11 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks. what about swapping the cpu, can this be done?
post #12 of 28
As far as I recall, the cpu's just slip right into place, so yes it can be done and without having to get out a soldering iron. However, to do it, you have to get in all the way, taking apart pretty much the whole laptop, and that will void your warranty, unless you have it done by a certified tech.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by g00nter
As far as I recall, the cpu's just slip right into place, so yes it can be done and without having to get out a soldering iron. However, to do it, you have to get in all the way, taking apart pretty much the whole laptop, and that will void your warranty, unless you have it done by a certified tech.

Well I noticed at Toshiba, that the A4 can be customized and it indeed can take the faster 2.1-2.3 M Chips.

In addition, the thing that bothers me the most, althought I wonder if a external firewire drive would be faster, is the slow 4500 rpm drive. So my goal these next few days are to find a compatible 7200 internal drive. The fastest drive they make is 5400.

Also, it may be too early to tell but I think clockgen might work once they figure out which one to use/create (makers of cpuid), as well, I found another thread that used the Asus A71V and 1.6M and the mother board has a switch that changes the FSB and turned a 1.6 into a 2.1 (33% increase), so Im sure there is a way to do this, or just buy the chip myself.

The only worries I have are how to mirror the HD now and put it onto another internal HD, of course, I know there are programs that can do that as well.

Also, does anyone know how to get into the Toshiba bios???

By the way, the wireless is great, I am upstairs, door closed, router downstairs, and my signal strenght is as good as wired......amazing.
post #14 of 28
any internal notebook hdd will work, but again the switch will likely effect your warranty. still if you want to do it the best on the market are the 7200rpm hitatchi drive in the 60gb that are widely available. if you can stick it out for a while you can get yourself a 80 or even 100gb version of the 7200rpm drive when they become more widespread.

for your laptop the switch is not present on all laptops, toshiba doesnt have it... so the dipswitch + pinmod trick wont help you. no mattter what you will need an older processor than the one that will come in your computer. there is nothing you can do to improve that one.
post #15 of 28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g00nter
The good news is that by dual channelling it you can get it to raise higher than the FSB so it's all the same. .
I think your right that it is dual channel capable. Today I purchased a 1 GB stick of Kingston, when I placed it with the 512, it wouldn't boot. So this told me dual channel problem yes?

The one gig by itself works fine, so this is what I am using now, not sure if I want to return it and get another 512 and have 1 GB total, or just hold onto the 512 for no reason, unless someone wants to buy it (cheap) (grin)....

Also, what is the way to get into the bios and why doesnt toshiba make 7200 RPM drives???

And one more time, I can upgrade the CPU to ?? (fastest speed?) possible?
post #16 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by composer11
I think your right that it is dual channel capable. Today I purchased a 1 GB stick of Kingston, when I placed it with the 512, it wouldn't boot. So this told me dual channel problem yes?

The one gig by itself works fine, so this is what I am using now, not sure if I want to return it and get another 512 and have 1 GB total, or just hold onto the 512 for no reason, unless someone wants to buy it (cheap) (grin)....

Also, what is the way to get into the bios and why doesnt toshiba make 7200 RPM drives???

And one more time, I can upgrade the CPU to ?? (fastest speed?) possible?

the lack of a boot at 1.5gb of ram is not a dual channel problem.... im not sure what it could be other than a dead socket, but assessing that to be the case could be very hard to do.

you can purchase a 7200rpm through tosihba although they are really just hitatci drives. the good thing is that if you have the tosihab 7200 rpm and get toshiba to stall it your warranty will remain.

you should be able to go up to a 2.0 ghz without trouble...
post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fidget
the lack of a boot at 1.5gb of ram is not a dual channel problem.... im not sure what it could be other than a dead socket, but assessing that to be the case could be very hard to do.
..

Ok then, to test the socket, I can just put the DDR in the other socket by itself or does the first socket have to be occupied???

Thanks
post #18 of 28
Thread Starter 
Seems that the 1GB stick has to go on the bottom (near the keyboard), lesser one (512) on top. Confirmed at another site also.

However, it is at Toshiba service center, IRQ for audio/video on 11, Toshiba says it should be 10/11 respectivly, and 1394 on 6 (which it is), so this matter may be hardware involved.

Will update when I find out.
post #19 of 28

Easy way around the HDD swap/warranty issue

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fidget
you can add a second stick of 512 to achieve dual channel, or you can pull both sticks a replace them with matching sticks of whatever size you want to have to utilize the dual channel.

the hdd replacement is pretty simple i dont have instructions but there is a but when it comes to hdd replacements. firstly it will totally void your warranty unless it is done with toshiba parts and toshiba's concent, do it on your own and your warranty isnt worth the paper its written on.

a usb2.0 or firewire external hdd wont void your warranty (a good thing for sure) and will also mean you can save loads more files. however dont plan to run programs off it since the usb speed it too slow. that said it is great for storing files and things like movies or pictures.

you cant really overclock the centrino p-m chip but for most uses it will be plenty fast enough. replacing the processor is pretty easy, but it still can be tricky.
When I bought my T notebook I took it home booted it up to make sure it worked. Slid out the 4200 RPM HDD and put in a Toshiba 5400 RPM. Benches 25% faster than the 4200. You have to remove the pin adapter from the HDD in the notebook and slip it on the replacement. If you need warranty service just put the original back in and you are golden. there are no tamper tags or anything else to indicate anything was done HDD wise. just make sure you keep the original drive because it has a gob of stickers/decals/serial number tags etc. probably indicating that it is an original drive for that laptop. Having an extra HDD laying around is a small price to pay for the added performance.
post #20 of 28
composer: I ended up not going to Santiago this weekend because of the weather. Sorry I couldn't confirm those IRQ values for you, but it looks like you're going to get it resolved anyways.

Regarding dual channel, I found this post in the general section the other day that links to an intel comparison chart.

http://www.notebookforums.com/showpo...4&postcount=16

the bad news is that the chipset apparently will NOT run dual channel with DDR1 and will not run 3200 at 400 either, it's stuck with 333MHz.

To get into the bios press esc at just after turning the computer on (during the red Toshiba logo) then it'll give you some message to hit F1 (I think, it might be F2, but it'll appear on the screen) to enter setup.

Toshiba does make 7200rpm drives, they just don't offer them with this line. My guess as to why is a reliability/marketing issue. The tecras tend to be made based on proven reliable technology to assure longe lifecycles. Why do they offer them in the M3 then, I don't know. I guess it has something to do with hitting a certain pricepoint in the market and who these laptops are targeted at. Check you warranty info (if you care, which I'm guessing you don't since you are talking about switching/modding/overclocking the CPU), as I don't think that changing the hard drive is a problem in the tecras.

As for the CPU upgrade, you can safely go with any CPU offered by Toshiba for this model, or so I've been told when I asked about upgrading the CPU in mine. The biggest they offer right now in the A4 is the PM 770 running at 2.13GHz.
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