ddr memory speed upgrade

PC2100 is still the fastest you will find in most major laptops. I'm sure it's something they're looking at, but not with the 8887.

DDR 333 184pin SODIMMs been out for 5 months tho!!!

Why did clevo choose the random 200pin!!

Ah well, DDR333 200pin has actually already been released so it won't be too long.

actually on further research it will be quite a while.

the chipset the Sagers use, the intel845E has a maximum of 266MHz (133x2) DDR memory. Also, oddly enough, the i845 is intels best DDR chipset, which kinda sucks, considering the i850 (the rambus one) is at 1066MHz (533x2) RD memory.

So whilst the memory is out, it will take as long as it takes clevo to fully revise the mobo and get rid of the crap intel chipsets, and change to something else, maybe an SiS, maybe the SiS 645DX, i dunno.

ECS recently revised there mobo for the latest Desknote i-buddie A980 (desktop replacement laptop) picking up the SiS 645DX, now boasting a 533 FSB and up to DDR400 memory controller (DDR366 184pin SODIMMs to be release Q2 2003). As i had mentioned earlier, they found in there systems, a P4 1.8 with DDR333 outperformed easily a P4 2.4 with DDR266, the P4s had 400FSBs, and oddly enough the systems they came in had integrated graphics!!!! (so yes the extra bandwidth would make a lot of difference, but still... half of the benches they used wouldn't have taxed the intergrated graphics controller, as it was mainly office performance they were looking into) [yes i am still looking for the article] Btw, the desknotes are crap because half of them use integrated graphics and the A980 isn't out yet I think and will only have a GeForce 4 440 Go 32MB. Which is a kind of let down, considering they are so concerned about memory speed and also only offering top of the line hard drives. They just don't see how much graphics solutions bottleneck the systems. Especially integrated!!

I nearly got a desknote until I found the Radeon 9k and Sager, and especially adam and pctorque =D

Actually...

Apples New PowerBook G4 1Ghz 17 inch runs with a 333mhz Memory DDR but the bus runs slower i wonder if its 333Mhz SODIMM

Actually 200 pin isn't random, lol, it's the standard :-) and the memory on the systems is not a bottleneck... Hard drive speed is. RAM is still on par with the rest of the system and does great in performance compared to other laptops...

Consider it, though... a faster graphics card, a hyperthreading processor, a 7200rpm hard drive, faster ram... Battery time is going to be about 2 minutes :-)

yea, batteries are stupid. Once they develop hydrogen fuel celled cars to replace the need for crude oil, hopefully they will develop portable fuel cell solutions for laptops.

Upside of fuel cell, 10000 hours of contiuous battery life, until you need a hydrogen refill, which you could do at a local petrol station =D

Downside, same as the hydrogen powered cars, you're walking round with a potential bomb, the fuel cell works by adding oxygen to hydrogen forming water in a very exothermic reaction, if the hydrogen container is breached it reacts in a very violent explosion with the high conc of O2 in the air and BOOM!

184 pin is standard.

how come there are 1GB single 184 pins and not for 200pin

how come there are 333MHz 184 pins and not for 200pin.

those factors make 200pin random, and probably only used due to space constrictions and the fact that the chipset is a desktop one.

By standard I mean commonly used by many laptop companies. I don't know of many laptops that use 184 pin ddr... in fact, I was under the impression that 184 pin ddr is the desktop varient that is huge... Am I wrong?

SO DIMM, or notebook, ram specifications are for 144 pin and 200 pin configurations, of which 200 pin is the standard for DDR memory.

Desktop memory comes in the 168 pin and 184 pin standards, with 184 pin being the DDR form factor.

There are, of course, other ancient formats which are no longer supported in modern computers, such as the 72 pin SIMMS and DIMMS of old.

Of course, these specifications do not apply to RAMBUS and other custom format memories, but are the universally adopted standards. The 184 pin DESKTOP memory that you referred to is usually manufactured in a cheaper more power hungry process, and although I have heard of it being used in some formats of portable computers like Desknotes I have not heard of anyone making real laptops using it.

oh sh*t your right. ECS uses desktop memory in their notebooks.

yea i just checked up on that then.

I then revise my recommendation to Clevo to use the 184 pin desktop memory modules, as they have better performance than Sodimms at the same speed and also they can go up to 433 i think is the max now, but only applicable to overclockable memory controllers on the chipset. And also able to get 1GB of RAM on one module.

Man, come to think of it, 433MHz, thats faster and higher bandwidth than the VRAM in the Radeon 9k if i'm not mistaken, whoa thats quick.

Lol, you plug a desktop memory stick into a laptop and you just lost lotsa battery time :-) Not to mention it'll be a complete redesign, and it will have to be even bigger, lol. Naw, I'll wait til they come out with a 200 pin version :-)

I think the longer I stay here and read all of these threads, the more it makes me want to wait. Jeez, I'm wondering whether to buy the 5660 as soon as I get the money or to wait until the m10 comes out. And now I gotta think about this; the RAM is crucial to the overall speed of the computer.

Whatever I get, though, it'll be better than the PC100 I got now.

course its gunna mean less battery. But the performance MUCH better, and price is MUCH less, and capacity MUCH bigger, and speed is MUCH faster.

I never use the battery, I spend about 10mins x2 for return trip on the train where I'll show off to my mates on battery power. So thats 20mins time I need for battery power for a whole day. And I feel 40min battery time is adaquate for all the other times i need battery in the day.

Any way, desktop memory barely uses more voltage.

but the main thing is all the performance and speed for less price i guess.

All of you seriously..

200 Pin DDR ram is already out because a brand of coputers use them

Laptop using desktop DDR ram wont increase the size of the laptop but it will dramatically increase the heat. I own a XP+ Ibuddie which has 1 slot for ram which takes up the entire front section of the desknote. but the sucker is pretty fast even with a 4200 rpm hardrive (too hot to run 5400)


M10 will be out 4th qt this year


Clevo is doing an amzing job since ive yet to see a laptop that can effectivly use a desktop chip without bringing the case to its knees. My I buddie uses a Xp 2100+ (Very hot) i tried taking it apart which is almost impossible (73 scres was as far as i could go) i misflashed the bios and the unit is down for good (overclocking not cool) The only company im amazed at is Dell for making best use of customizable laptop since every part of the laptop can be pretty much removed with ease except the soundcard whihc is built into the board. The video card is very cute this tiny thing thats about the size of my desktop Ethernet card and im told Toshiba does this with there 5200 series which is awesome but different cards oh well.

yeah, oi the reason for all your heat is the Athlon XP cpu, which puts out even more heat that a Pentium 4 3.06 GHz with HT enabled, I hear that gets toasty in a Sager. So yeah. There is I-buddies that use much MUCH cooler pentium 4s.

Yea I know how the 184 pin modules are, but one 184 pin slot takes up less room than 2x 200pin slots. 184pin can have 1GB of memory in one module. So you have got the same maximum. And the maximum speed for 200pin is 266MHz, the Max for 184 is 433 which is nearly double. Also with the ability of 184 comes the ability of actually getting some DECENT overclockers RAM, which with the heat spreader mods probably create less heat than laptop modules when at default, non overclocked speeds.

Are you sure the M10 won't be out til Q4 this year? Jeez... I may just go with the 8887 then... I thought it would be out in June (well, I thought the next version of the sager 8887 would be out in June, with an M10)... can anyone confirm or deny this?

I guess it's possible for it to come out Q3, but definitely not Q2. And, like Maverick said, it's quite possible it ends up coming Q4.

This article puts it after the middle of 2003, so Q3 or Q4:

http://www.ati-news.de/cgi-bin/News/....cgi?view=1082

In my opinion, beebster, you should get the february 8887 as soon as it comes out, that way I'll get the benefit of your review. Hehehe. Don't wait for that other later one, who cares about that one?

Cheers.

yeah but

Yeah, but then we all need to think about price. With the better ram, that will definitely impact the price of the laptop. Im pretty content with my 5660, and if need be, get a new one (a loooooooong ways off). But, if this mobo thing goes through, i think sager/pctorque will have a cult-like following...

If that is the case, I will definitely look into just getting the 8887 and maybe upgrading the hard drive in the summer :-) if the 7200 rpms are out. I'd just want the main one to be 7200... and I'd prolly put the one that was the main one into the tv tuner place :-) hehe, no.. we'll see. I want two hard drives, so we'll see what happens when I decide to upgrade one of them to 7200...