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post #21 of 37
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Originally Posted by nick82
Not sure if most of you realise. But ASUS make the apple notebooks. Hence the similarities between the W and V series compared the Powerbook range. I myself have chosen the Powerbook over the V6 because of Mac OS.

The specs are nearly identical, only real different being pentium M vs PPC (2mb cache vs 512, 533 fsb vs 333 etc)

The weight is the same, thickness and dimensions the same, even down to materials. V6 has a 1400x1050 screen whereas the apple has 1280x757 or something. Doesn't really matter all that much, as I said, im buying the apple for OSX.

Which is why apple makes the margins they do. Its not really cause of the hardware, its second rate compared the what available nowadays. Its for aesthetics, build quality and service/support and of course OSX Tiger :P

Like GM sells finance, not cars. Apple sells software, not hardware Or rather think of it as Apple selling a solution to Microsoft's shortcomings.
Asus makes the Apple notebooks?!?!?!
post #22 of 37
apple designs them and asus manufactures & assembles them in china.
post #23 of 37
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Originally Posted by triadone
apple designs them and asus manufactures & assembles them in china.
That's cool!
post #24 of 37
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Originally Posted by cpu
OK, please name some laptops that are more durable.
That's such a loaded and stupid question I'll not entertain it with an answer.
post #25 of 37
well I guess a Panasonic toughbook, most of the Lenvo (IMB) thinkpads. My i9200 is pretty tough...

God knows, I guess people just aren't compelled to test $2000 laptops to destruction.
post #26 of 37
I work at compusa....and from what I have seen...about the only laptops that we carry that come even close to an ibook or powerbook are the sony a75 17' notebooks, toshiba qosmio 17 & 15 inchers, and maybe a sony t350. Even then they are more expensive, less stable, and still not up to the build quality of even my 12" ibook.

my 2 cents
post #27 of 37
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by emorphien
That's such a loaded and stupid question I'll not entertain it with an answer.
No, actually I need to know if I am spoiled or misinformed. You expressed that the durablity is merely average while the aesthetic are high on the Apple Powerbooks. I would like for you to enlighten me with your wisdom. I already know that the "look and feel" of the Powerbook is considered at the forefront by most. If it is rated average in durablity, I would like the list of machines which are rated "above average". If you are going to make a statement like that, I would expect that you would back it up.
post #28 of 37
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Originally Posted by cpu
No, actually I need to know if I am spoiled or misinformed. You expressed that the durablity is merely average while the aesthetic are high on the Apple Powerbooks. I would like for you to enlighten me with your wisdom. I already know that the "look and feel" of the Powerbook is considered at the forefront by most. If it is rated average in durablity, I would like the list of machines which are rated "above average". If you are going to make a statement like that, I would expect that you would back it up.
What you may be missing is the distinction between designed elegance and engineering design to put it plainly. The Powerbooks and iBooks are beautifully designed but unfortunately the design somewhat ends there. In actuality the iBooks will tend to hold up better than the powerbook, that plastic casing (although easy to scratch) is more resilient to harder hits.

But for some examples of equally durable machines, if you can get past some which creak and some which look cheap there are plenty of Dells I'd compare to the powerbooks. The 700m has similarly flimsy hinges and flexing display, but the casing itself is quite sound. Acer makes some nice laptops whose names I'll never get straight that are also comparable.

In terms of better (or overengineered) look at thinkpads, any of them is really a good example of a well thought out case. Then there the toughbooks, some are similar to the powerbooks in that they're to an extent designed to be pretty. The confusion there comes from the fact that their portable line called "Lets Note" outside of the US is also called Toughbook in the US. Another good example of well built notebooks would surprisingly be the HP business models which are quite resilient and many are quite thin and portable. Again I'll never get their names straight but most start with NC for the ones I'm familiar with.

There are other odds and ends that are out there but those are just some examples. The Powerbooks are average, maybe a little better (there is a LOT of crap out there), and the iBooks are a touch above but they are designed more for elegance than anything else. Just looking at the design of the titanium powerbooks and that would be pretty apparent (the screen housing was woefully inadequate).
post #29 of 37
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by emorphien
What you may be missing is the distinction between designed elegance and engineering design to put it plainly. The Powerbooks and iBooks are beautifully designed but unfortunately the design somewhat ends there. In actuality the iBooks will tend to hold up better than the powerbook, that plastic casing (although easy to scratch) is more resilient to harder hits.

But for some examples of equally durable machines, if you can get past some which creak and some which look cheap there are plenty of Dells I'd compare to the powerbooks. The 700m has similarly flimsy hinges and flexing display, but the casing itself is quite sound. Acer makes some nice laptops whose names I'll never get straight that are also comparable.

In terms of better (or overengineered) look at thinkpads, any of them is really a good example of a well thought out case. Then there the toughbooks, some are similar to the powerbooks in that they're to an extent designed to be pretty. The confusion there comes from the fact that their portable line called "Lets Note" outside of the US is also called Toughbook in the US. Another good example of well built notebooks would surprisingly be the HP business models which are quite resilient and many are quite thin and portable. Again I'll never get their names straight but most start with NC for the ones I'm familiar with.

There are other odds and ends that are out there but those are just some examples. The Powerbooks are average, maybe a little better (there is a LOT of crap out there), and the iBooks are a touch above but they are designed more for elegance than anything else. Just looking at the design of the titanium powerbooks and that would be pretty apparent (the screen housing was woefully inadequate).
Thank you, bit of work, but you finally answered my original question. I wanted to get concrete examples, specific PC brands/models which match or surpass the aesthetic/build quality of the Powerbooks. What do people recommend based on their experience? What's out there that's going to get me to spend $2000 plus on something else. Yes, a lot has to do with simply the "LOOK". But if the exterior is any indication of what the interior is like, then I would definitely side with the Apples.

If you are rating the powerbook at slightly above average, which would be a 6 out of 10. And you say that "there is a LOT of crap out there" which translates to a rating of 2 maybe 3 for most other laptops on the market. Then we are on the same page about what is generally marketed to the average consumer...Not their money's worth!

The few that you rate "high" are the Thinkpads, business HPs and Toughbooks. Based on my experiences, I would rate the Thinkpad at 7 in durability and really low in looks. Sure, the rubber coating gives it that extra protection factor, but it does nothing for it aesthetically. HP is the biggest offender in the boom-box style, multi-colored lights scatter all over it's plastic casing issue. Plus, I question their durability. I've researched the Toughbooks in the pass. Honestly, I have never seen anyone with one of these. Sure, they are the Hum-V of laptops. But realistically, I'm not going to buy a Toughbook for the same reason I'm not going to buy a Hum-V. And take a good look at the Toughbook-29. I can't believe that these machines are geared towards the average consumer.

I'll do more research on these brands/models that you suggested. But I'm going to judge the (power) book by it's cover. Apple's "attention to detail" on the outside will dictate to me the level of quality on the inside.
post #30 of 37
I find it really disappointing that the lightest Mac, the 12" powerbook, tips the scale at 4.6 lbs. That's too heavy for its size...

Yes while I agree that they are "well built" and "elegant", some people (like myself) consider weight and battery life as a prime factor in choosing a notebook -- especially students. The iBook tips the scale at 4.9 lbs with the same, (dim) 12" screen. That's a shame, since the iBook is aimed at students.
post #31 of 37
why is it a shame? i love it. granted it could be lighter but there isn't a notebook i could find when doing my purchase research that felt as solid as the iBook. i'd rather it be a few ounces heavier than to have the palmrests bend in like on the averatecs and the sony S series. i toss it my backpack and go. the size and weight are fine. a little bonus of the apple design is also in the adapter which is nowhere near as bukly/weighty as some i've worked with. u can also shorten the cord, effectively getting rid of the thick 3-prong segment if u know u'll only need 6' of cord. perhaps w/ the mactels we'll get a gander at those ultra-light Apples though.
post #32 of 37
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Originally Posted by cpu
I have owned a Compaq notebook before I got this Apple and I had issues with the cheap feel of that machine. As well as the crashes and freeze ups. Even Sony, who I consider to have better design then most, still suffers from a cheap plastic quality. IBM, Toshiba, HP, Dell, Gateway can learn something from Apple. A little thought and effort can go a long way to producing a better product. But I guess it's more about the bottom dollar to most. Personally, I think mass producing cheaper units for less cost to the consumer works well with inexpensive items you find at Walmart, but when it comes to 2G's on a mobile professional system, I don't want mass produced cheap units. I'll pay a little more to get that extra bit of thought at the design stage.
Agree, except for the IBM! IBM areknown to he tanks, best build and strongest machine. They say you can stand on it, perhaps even jump on it. Felt one and it 's extremely well build.. you could say it's the 'apple' of the Pc's, except that it's design is rather oldskool. Some don't and some do likeit.. I do
post #33 of 37
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Originally Posted by cpu
Yes, a lot has to do with simply the "LOOK". But if the exterior is any indication of what the interior is like, then I would definitely side with the Apples.
I don't have a notebook, hell I barely have a desktop. (700mhz, 64 MB RAM, integrated 11mb video HP Pavilion.) But, you're speaking of aesthetics, and comparing the inside with the outside. But, when do you just stare at your notebook? Close the lid, and stare at it? I don't know about you, but I use my PC for work, or just relaxing. Sure, it's ugly but I don't look at it, I'm to busy staring at the screen.

I don't know, maybe it's different if I'd actually own a PB, but even still I think I'd spend more time using it instead of drooling over it.
post #34 of 37
true enough re: getting work done, but i'd be lying if i said i didn't want to work and be able to sit, 3rd party fashion and gander at the glowing apple on the lid. in any case, what u described is essentially Apple's design philosophy. some don't like the plain light grey interior of the iBook, while personally i love the fact that i don't have LEDs flashing at me and distracting me while i'm on the system, particularly in low light situations or while watching a movie. could be up close or across the room while it's hooked up to the TV, but not having 3+ LEDs blinking away at me for whatever g*ddamn reason is nice indeed. kinda like how i could give a rip whether any laptop i own would have a glossy screen, as if i want to even think about glare or some annoying visual element or person behind me and what they're doing.
post #35 of 37
Thread Starter 
Yes, I think you may feel differently once you get yourself one of these sweet little numbers. It's not just about the drool factor, but more about the solid construction. Someone designed this inside and out. It's looks and feels like it's well built. When you flip open the LCD, it flips smoothly. No cracks and snappy resistance. When you press the power button it feels like you just turned the ignition of an expensive european sports car. Not some cheap boom-box. When you type on the illuminated keyboard, it's consistently responsive. No loose or stubborn keys. Simply look at the thought put into the power cord and the battery themselves. Heck, look at the packaging of all the Apple products. Get yourself one of those new video ipods, you'll see the same solid construction.

I base all of my praise about the Apple Powerbooks from past experiences with non-apple products. The PC/Windows platform is where I came from. I recently added an Apple machine to my home studio. At work, I operate on SGI/Unix/Linux. And if you want to get oldschool, my first machine was an Amiga.

Simply put, if the craftsmanship is pronounce and obvious throughout the exterior of the machine then one would suspect that such "attention to detail" is adhere to for the interior construction.


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Originally Posted by StrokerandHoop
I don't have a notebook, hell I barely have a desktop. (700mhz, 64 MB RAM, integrated 11mb video HP Pavilion.) But, you're speaking of aesthetics, and comparing the inside with the outside. But, when do you just stare at your notebook? Close the lid, and stare at it? I don't know about you, but I use my PC for work, or just relaxing. Sure, it's ugly but I don't look at it, I'm to busy staring at the screen.

I don't know, maybe it's different if I'd actually own a PB, but even still I think I'd spend more time using it instead of drooling over it.
post #36 of 37
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Originally Posted by cpu
Yes, I think you may feel differently once you get yourself one of these sweet little numbers. It's not just about the drool factor, but more about the solid construction. Someone designed this inside and out. It's looks and feels like it's well built. When you flip open the LCD, it flips smoothly. No cracks and snappy resistance. When you press the power button it feels like you just turned the ignition of an expensive european sports car. Not some cheap boom-box. When you type on the illuminated keyboard, it's consistently responsive. No loose or stubborn keys. Look at the thought put into the power cord and the battery itself. Heck, look at the packaging of all the Apple products. Get yourself one of those new video ipods, you'll see the same solid construction.

I base all of my praise about the Apple Powerbooks from past experiences with non-apple products. The PC/Windows platform is where I came from. I recently added an Apple machine to my home studio. At work, I operate on SGI/Unix/Linux. And if you want to get oldschool, my first machine was an Amiga.

Simply put, if the craftsmanship is pronounce and obvious throughout the exterior of the machine then one would suspect that such "attention to detail" is adhere to for the interior construction.
I don't want to make this into a flame war between PCs and Macs, but personally, I'm a gamer. Illuminated keyboards, tight, solid construction sound great, but I've never seen a Mac in person, ever. PCs do what I need them to do, and considering I'm a gamer, the PSP replaces the video iPod in that aspect as well.

What it boils down to is each his own, and if it makes you happy it can't be that bad.

I appreciate the positive feedback I've received since I last posted. I didn't want to say anything, but I think I've learned 'your' (Mac users) side, and perhaps one day I'll appreciate for myself. But, like I said I'm a gamer. I'd rather see who I'm fragging (or who is fragging me).
post #37 of 37
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Originally Posted by StrokerandHoop
I don't want to make this into a flame war between PCs and Macs.
Agreed!


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Originally Posted by StrokerandHoop
What it boils down to is each his own, and if it makes you happy it can't be that bad.
Completely Agree!

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Originally Posted by StrokerandHoop
I appreciate the positive feedback I've received since I last posted. I didn't want to say anything, but I think I've learned 'your' (Mac users) side, and perhaps one day I'll appreciate for myself. But, like I said I'm a gamer. I'd rather see who I'm fragging (or who is fragging me).
Thank you for your responses. I personally need to keep in mind that this is mostly a gaming forum. Obviously, Apple has to step up in the gaming department. If they didn't, I wouldn't be typing this response now. For me, I'm not a big gamer, but I do want the 3D support for my work. This goes back to why I started the thread in the first place, I wanted some examples of other notebooks with Powerbook construction but capable of handling the big 3D apps, namely Houdini Master.

Ultimately, I think I'll be waiting for the MacTels.

An Apple Store opened up this past weekend and I stopped in. You can tell that there is a definite following and people are passionate about their brands. But you are right "To each their own..."
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