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post #1 of 12
8/17/05 at 2:57pm
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I currently own an IBM A21m (PIII, 700MHZ, 800x600 lcd, 128MBRAM). I originally bought the IBM because I thought they were a good company and they were the original designer and manufacturer of the IBM PC, etc. Since they've sold out to China, I have come to resent my IBM computers, as they made a fool out of me. I used to preach that IBM was the best PC maker and whatnot. This is the 2nd time this happened! I used to be a big Mac guy until I saw how horrible Mac OS X is and made me regreat all the preaching I used to do, and I dumped all my Mac stuff and bought IBM. Now I am trying to figure out what brand laptop to replace both my IBM desktop and laptop. I hardly used the desktop anyway, so I figured I'd pool the money I get for both of them and get a nicer laptop. I am heavily leaning towards Sony. Sony has an excellent reputation in nearly every market they're in. As far as I can tell, they build their laptops in their own factories, not outsourced. What I want to know is what you guys think. I am going to go the used route, most likely another PIII but with a higher resolution screen and more RAM. But a P4 would be nice. What P4 model do you think could be had cheapest on the used market? How does Sony compare to the older IBMs (like my 2000-vintage A21m) in build quality. And what models, if any, have both a floppy and CD drive built into the case?
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post #2 of 12
8/17/05 at 3:33pm
Why are you against IBM for being sold to a chinese company? If anything, the sale has resulted in better products from IBM....

In terms of what to get, I would definitely get a Pentium M or Celeron M based system, and I would advise getting a cheaper new system rather than a faster second hand system.

What is your budget?

Artagra
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post #3 of 12
8/17/05 at 3:42pm
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Better products? I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on that. If the computer says IBM on it I want it to be an IBM, not merely "badge engineered" as an IBM. Sony seems to be a company that most likely would actually build their own products in their own factories. That what attracts me to them. And that my 1974 Sony TV is 9 years older than me and it still works excellent!

How much does a new, low end Sony system go for?
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post #4 of 12
8/17/05 at 5:13pm
I bought my FS620/W 3 weeks ago and till now , very satisfied with this laptop.
good picture quality - i use it to watch my dvd rock concert very often.
fast performance .

in these 3 weeks, except connection dropping from intel card 2200bg , ( i fixed this
2 days ago ) , no problem at all.

but this was made in China . i don't care this because in the market , you can see
most pc, laptop ....................... are made in China.
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post #5 of 12
8/17/05 at 5:36pm
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Better products? I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on that. If the computer says IBM on it I want it to be an IBM, not merely "badge engineered" as an IBM. Sony seems to be a company that most likely would actually build their own products in their own factories. That what attracts me to them. And that my 1974 Sony TV is 9 years older than me and it still works excellent!
Uhhh - it's not badge enginered. Lenovo *bought* the thinkpad division from IBM - the majority of staff stayed on, many of the production facilities have stayed the same, and the products are badged as "Lenovo Thinkpads" - how is that badge engineering? Lenovo is a real company that makes their own products in their own factories. Secondly, badge engineering is not nesc a bad thing, and neither is outsourcing of production. The majority of the worlds top companies use outsourcing to some extent, and some of the best products are manufactured by companies other than the seller...

Having closely inspected a number of new thinkpads, and having spoken to a number of independent experts (I'm in the business of selling computers) I can tell you that if anything, the quality of Thinkpads has gone up since the Lenovo buyout.

As for a new low-end sony, I think about $1100 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834117074

Artag
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post #6 of 12
8/17/05 at 6:05pm
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I don't care. I still think IBM is disgusting for selling out to the Chinese, and I don't buy Chinese products from Chinese companies or anyone else. My IBM laptop was Made in Mexico. My Sony TV was Assembled in USA. The only thing that I own that was made in China was a Philips portable CD player but I replaced it with a Malaysian made Sony. Before not too long all the old, now "off shore" "IBM" production facilities will be shut down and all production will be moved to China. I'd be willing to bet on it. If it hasn't happened already.
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post #7 of 12
8/18/05 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by TRS80
I don't care. I still think IBM is disgusting for selling out to the Chinese, and I don't buy Chinese products from Chinese companies or anyone else. My IBM laptop was Made in Mexico. My Sony TV was Assembled in USA. The only thing that I own that was made in China was a Philips portable CD player but I replaced it with a Malaysian made Sony. Before not too long all the old, now "off shore" "IBM" production facilities will be shut down and all production will be moved to China. I'd be willing to bet on it. If it hasn't happened already.
what do you have against chinese products? From what i understand, you seems to have something against the chinese.
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post #8 of 12
8/18/05 at 9:49pm
Wow, sorry to say but you gotta be one of the most ignorant people on the forum.
You wont buy IBM because it's made from China? hahha
My fully loaded T42p is made in China and I have no regret in buying it. I would definitely buy another IBM agian.
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post #9 of 12
8/18/05 at 11:03pm
If you'll look at IBM's prices, you'll understand why there's been such a slump in their sales--and why Lenovo bought their PC devision. Basically, IBM had extremely high costs, and that's where Lenovo steps in. Lenovo has announced that they have no plans of changing the formula for the Thinkpad, but they are looking on ways to cut production costs--as it stands, the factories that IBM owned were very inefficient, which explained the high costs.

If you're against Chinese products, you might as well not buy any computer products, because chances are at least one or more parts have been in a factory. You're arguing false ideals, not valid points.
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post #10 of 12
8/18/05 at 11:26pm
TR Lenovo is an established company that happens to be Chinese. From a business standpoint there is nothing wrong with the company and speaking as a business professional i commend this buyout. It was a smart move for IBM which allows them to concentrate doing what they specialize in and it is an excellent move For Lenovo who for the last several years wanted to get into the north American market.

I currently own an ibm and have been dealing with the company for a very long time and i can tell you that the quality has not degraded in any sense of the word. It amuses me that you would compare sony with Ibm when we all know the business practices of sony especially they way they use no name contract manufacturers for allot of their parts. and even for assembly. Don't believe me? Do some research and see actually what manufacturing facilities Sony genuinely owns and runs. Especially within consumer electronics.
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post #11 of 12
8/22/05 at 12:08pm
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Before not too long all the old, now "off shore" "IBM" production facilities will be shut down and all production will be moved to China. I'd be willing to bet on it. If it hasn't happened already.
Lenovo will make the best business decisions - what does this mean? Inefficient and unprofitable operations in the US will be shut down - simple really. But where the US has major strengths (corporate leadership, some R&D, etc) they have already made huge investments - the new corporate head office for the Thinkpad division is in Washington, IIRC.

Artag
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post #12 of 12
9/3/05 at 12:35am
This ,might tickle your mind..in case you did not know about this..

Made by who...

...the pages seems to be down so this is a google-cached-one..=/
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