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post #21 of 42
Thread Starter 
Well, I've called FNAC. I'll send them the laptop back and wait for my money. My techie dreams are broken I think I'll try to buy another M3438 in a future if I find a more secure way; or a similar laptop from another brand, if there is any with an high end graphics array and not being a Dell (I read about many problems with the displays of some high end models... and I don't want more).

Anyway, thanks for your feedback, Ruptured. About WMVHD, if hotfix doesn't work try this:
- Reinstall Windows Media Player 10. ABORT the first run setup that autostarts after installation.
- Install the hotfix.
- Use Media Player Classic (no, it's not Windows Media Player 6.4, just looks alike) instead of the crappy WMP10. FFDShow is a great partner for MPC.
post #22 of 42
Well that is really strange indeed... Hopefully you find a lappy that's good for you.
post #23 of 42
Sorry I have not been following this forum too much, I'm on vacation.

For the record: the 3438's screen is a bit on the orange side. It is difficult to reproduce exact colors as seen by the eye with a digital camera, and I'm no photographer either.

However, I believe comparing pure red screens is mostly a "synthetic" benchmark, since you are not going to stare at an orange (or red) screen. The only exception to this would be a graphic designer, in which case you probably shouldn't use any lcd screen.

Also, while I have my Sony's tft color profile loaded, I haven't found one for the Fujitsu, so it is showing with the default color correction. It shouldn't matter much for this precise test, but it could for everyday usage.

It would be better to compare the screen while watching a movie, or reading a web page, or whatever you usually do. A little boost to the orange channel might cancel out its weakness most of the time (I haven't tested this yet).

Which leads me to your second question about HD videos. I have to admit this is the first time I watch them, and I may be doing something wrong, because they are "jerky" on the Fujitsu and on my desktop computer. Will check on this more.

The videos I've used are from
ftp://ftp.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/pub/iHDTV/MPG/files/
and
http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=6537
post #24 of 42
amilo m 3438 is a cheap laptop if you look at the system specs, so its no wonder if they put a cheap screen in it. You cant make a perfect superpowerful laptop which is supercheap. The screen in amilo 3438 is not that great in my opinion. Still, I might be wrong and the screen could be better than I think.
post #25 of 42
Just my two cents:

- the white shadow and,
- the not so red red

are both artifacts of the lcd panel technology used.

Basically there are two types of lcds out there:
1. professional ones ( like my 19" Samsung 193P ) that use a special MVA (or smth like that) panel, that has worse response times, so you can see ghosting in games, but it has much better color reproduction (red is red) and almost 180' viewing angles. The downside is that i get sick playing on it, the ghosing, even if minimal makes me feel very uncofortable while playing.
2. "gaming" or "consumer" ones, that are to be found in most laptops, and in gaming lcds. These use a different panel technology (TFT) that gives much better response times, so they are better suited for gaming and movies, but they pose the following problems:
- worse color reproduction
- brightness is not constant all over the screen
- viewing angles are narrower
- the backligh almost always shows a screen glow efect (the white stripes you are seeing on the top and on the bottom of the laptop) that is caused by the panel backlight that is causing irregular brightness levels.
However, Far Cry and movies are a blast on this one! Just be carefull not to go beyond the viewing angle or the colors will inver slowly...

In the case of Mx438G, the M3438G has the "gaming" screen, while M4438G has the more "professional" screen.

So please enjoy your lappy, and stop changing it because all other models will show the same "defects". I also tried several VAIOs and Dells and it's the same thing, the problem is with the technology used. I am very happy with my M3438G, and if i were to buy another lappy, i would still buy this one for sure.

If your are looking for a more "professional" rendering solution, take a look at the M4438G.

It's a pity that LCD technology still hasn't matured, and it's full of problems, like dead pixels, viewing angles, color reproduction, and such; but it's the price we have to pay for having a 1 centimeter thick , quater of a kilo heavy screen to look at Just take a look at your 20kilogram 19" crt and you'll suddenly feel so much better

And as a general rule of the thumb always test what you buy, so you know you will be happy with it!

Cheers,
Alex.
post #26 of 42
Thread Starter 
Ok, I borrowed a digital camera from a friend (whose laptop has much better red than mine whilst its screen is worse in everything else). They're my M3438G with mi Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 930SB with the same image (clone mode) and a 255.0.0 background. Take a look:



Then I took a sample from each screen and put them together:



In fact, the difference between both colors is more noticiable in reality than in this photo, but I couldn't take a better shoot in this terms. I don't try to match a perfect color, but either movies and games look altered and hell looks like a Fanta orgy.
post #27 of 42
Holy macaroni!! WHAT is up with your Fujitsu, truly!!
post #28 of 42
I don't think mine is quite as bad as that. Then again, I'm viewing it on my laptop.
post #29 of 42
Well, based on my own lappy observations and the pic Arcano provided on the first page, there IS something strange going on in his lappy... but on 2 different machines??

Beats me...
post #30 of 42
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RuptuReD
Holy macaroni!! WHAT is up with your Fujitsu, truly!!
With my TWO Fujitsus. How can have this and the previous M3438 have the same issue in exactly the same degree? Such a pity, it's a very nice machine and both screens have no dead pixels and look actually great except for this


Quote:
Originally Posted by RuptuReD
Well, based on my own lappy observations and the pic Arcano provided on the first page, there IS something strange going on in his lappy... but on 2 different machines??

Beats me...
I'm sure they're different units. In fact, the second one has a faster CPU. This must be an assembly serial issue, I guess.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Species
I don't think mine is quite as bad as that. Then again, I'm viewing it on my laptop.
Try to view them on other display because on my Amilo both color samples look similar (let's hope yours don't have the same color problem).
post #31 of 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by sire_alvar
Try to view them on other display because on my Amilo both color samples look similar (let's hope yours don't have the same color problem).
Well, mine sure doesn't, the colors are STRIKINGLY different. There is something rotten there, but what could it be?

Assembly issue? Yes, I'd place my money on that at the moment.
post #32 of 42
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RuptuReD
Well, mine sure doesn't, the colors are STRIKINGLY different. There is something rotten there, but what could it be?

Assembly issue? Yes, I'd place my money on that at the moment.
Taking this problem and the others with HD playback (that might have an easy solution) I wonder if it would be a better option to send the laptop back and wait until the release of the next equivalent Amilo with proper screen and upgraded performance (a 7800 Go would be nice!).

Don't know if do that or send it to tech repair service
post #33 of 42
If you can manage without the lappy, well, I'd send mine back if the screen were like that. That really isn't acceptable.
post #34 of 42
Thread Starter 
I guess you're right. In fact, I can get a more powerful unit from UMD, a retail provider (is this the right expression for a shop that sells to others shops?). The dissadvantage of this is that this will make me buy it as an enterprise, not as an user, and in Spain this means that I'll no have right to return the notebook if "I don't like it" before a week.

"I don't like it" is an excuse to send it back if it has dead pixels in an amount that warranty does not cover, you know, I'm very worried about the dead pixel issue. It's ironic and frustrating that both Amilos I had have no dead pixels under this circumstances.

Quote:
'Implemented a method for catching bad edits (gapping time stamps) from 3-2
film, and then softening them in "Smart" mode. This helps eliminate the combing
effect in the "Jesus licking the bowling ball" edit on the “Making of the Big
Lebowski".'

-Excerpt from "Nvidia PureVideo Decoder User's Guide"-
post #35 of 42
Yeah, I thought that was too good to pass... nice that someone noticed it.

Retail Provider? Hmm, I can't be 100% sure actually (sounds reasonable to me), but the WordWeb (a very nice free program that you can find here: http://wordweb.info/free/ ) suggests following:
-----------------------------
Wholesaler:

Someone who buys large quantities of goods and resells to merchants rather than to the ultimate customers
-----------------------------


Yeah, dead pixels are kind a problematic, I don't have any, luckily.
post #36 of 42
I think it's wholesaler as well. Like Makro. No dead pixels for me either. Hoping it'll stay that way.
post #37 of 42
Now that I see your picture I can attest thay my screen does not look that orange. There is absolutely a problem with your laptop.

If you are not in a hurry you could always keep sending back the orange ones to Fnac until you receive a proper screen.
post #38 of 42
Just got my M3438G (PM 760, 17" WXGA+, 2*80 GB HDs, 1 GB RAM)
It doesn't seem to look that orange (just a little bit).

But what I noticed when using it in an dark environment is that
there is a very bright glow a the bottom (and a bit less at the top) of
the screen when it displays black.

Can anyone confirm this or is it just an issue with my Amilo?

SirHenry
post #39 of 42
just one more remark:
during daylight the brightness looks much more homogenous
and the glows at bottom and top are not noticeable anymore.
post #40 of 42
I'm also seeing some leakage on the bottom and top of the screen, but it's not noticeable unless the screen is totally black, so it doesn't worry me much. LCD screens are prone to "lighted" blacks.
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