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Hot M680? Try this (AS5 tutorial)

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
If you aren't up to date with my exploits thus far, check this thread
http://www.notebookforums.com/showth...7&page=1&pp=15

So, as promised, here's the step by step picture tutorial for applying as5 to your heatpipe assembly. Make sure you work in a low static area, and take precautions to avoid dust and moisture. Also notice how sloppy my job is and try to do better, the smoother and more even your application is, the better your results will be.

1.) Turn your laptop over and take out the battery and disconnect the AC power. Loosen all the screws circled in red. They are not meant to completely come out, which is good because they are easier to keep track of.



2.) Stick a thumbnail, or a small screwdriver into the indention in the bottom of the plate to allow you to pry it up and away from the body of the laptop



3.) Remove the screws circled in red (the three around the processor do not come out entirely, just loosen them until they are slack), and take note of the various parts for your own reference. Also take note of the numbers on the screws surrounding the processor (1,2,3) and gpu (1,2,3,4). This is the order you'll need to tighten the screws when you put it back together again. Also, make SURE you remember which screws go where. The screws in the gpu heatsink assembly are different lengths and they need to go back where they came from. Note: there are actually two screws in the upper right circle, sorry.



4.) Lift the CPU/Northbridge heatpipe assembly (this is attached directly to the main fan) up and out of the case.



5.) Lift the GPU heatpipe assembly (this is attached directly to the large copper heatsink that is visible from the outside) up and out of the case. Notice the arrows, you have to pull the heatsink away from the edge in order to lift the assembly out



6.) This is the part I don't have great pictures before, because I'm going in after the fact to do this. On the reverse side of the heatpipe assemblies you just lifted out, you will find thermal pads, and probably some gross pink goo where the CPU surface mates. On the CPU/NB assembly, remove all of it, and clean the surfaces with rubbing alcohol. Then apply a thin coating of artic silver 5 to the areas you removed the thermal pads from and cleaned. Experiment with ways to get a reasonably smooth, thin layer. I am very bad at this as you will see, and artic silver is incredibly messy, so try not to get it on anything you care about.



7.) Do the same for the GPU assembly. Remove the pads, except for the ones you see left on here. They are for cooling some small components (probably the voltage regulator, but i don't know) and i wouldn't mess with them. But remove the main pads for the gpu and the 4 memory modules, and clean the areas with rubbing alcohol. Then put a thin layer of as5 in the places you removed the pads from.



8.) Now go back and apply a thin layer to cpu and northbridge chip areas ONLY. These should be reasonably clean, so i wouldn't risk cleaning them. Artic silver can be slightly electrically conductive, which means very bad news if you get it anywhere it shouldn't be. Just a thin layer over the die of the chip and the die of the northbridge.



9.) For the gpu/ram, you may have to remove a layer of thermal junk over the die of your gpu. The square in the center of the black plastic material should be such that you can read what it is, be it Nvidia or ATI. Then apply a thin layer of as5 to it, and to each of the 4 ram chips. Same idea as the cpu/northbridge.



10. Reassembly everything, in the reverse order you took it out. That means, GPU heatpipe assembly back in (remember to tighten the screws in the order marked on the plate), then cpu heatpipe assembly and main fan, remembering the order of screw tightening with these as well. Then put the 3 screws that hold the fan back in (the one by the wireless card, and the 2 by the corner of the case). Then put the backplate back on and tighten all the screws.

Congratulations! You are done and should have lowered your temps significantly. I also got an additional 20Mhz out of my GPU core after doing this.
post #2 of 16
Thanks a lot Falcon! Nice job on the tutorial. I don't have the machine and feel comfortable doing it already
post #3 of 16
Wow, that is easy to understand. Thanks.
I knew a picture is worth a thousand words.

Question:

1. Where do you buy the AS5?

2. Do you know the mechanism why AS5 would lower the temp? Is it its physical property? etc...?

3. What do you use to apply the AS5? Q-tips? fingers? gloved fingers? etc....
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Ok here are some answers
1.) I like Newegg, they have always treated me very well and IMO are an excellent company. Here is a direct link to AS5 there. Shipping is somewhat of a ripoff on this particular item though...which is unusual. You may have better luck elsewhere. Try pricegrabber if you want.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835100007


2.) Without going into college level physics/chemistry, the important thing is thermal resistance. Basically this is how much the material resists transfering heat. In the grand scheme of things, the thermal pads used in most computers are very easy to apply, but pretty bad at transferring heat. Artic silver compounds are extremely good at transferring heat. Therefore the heat the chip produces gets to the heatsink assembly faster, which means the chip itself stays cooler.

3.) Artic silver is incredibly hard to apply. It is a very thick paste. Applying with q-tips will make a cottony mess, as I have discovered several times. A finger works fairly well, but its not very precise and it makes a big mess of your fingers. Some people recommend flat toothpicks, and that is probably what i'd use if i was doing it again.
post #5 of 16
Thanks.

Holy smoke...the shipping charge costs about 63% of the price of the item!
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Yep, as i said, not such a good deal here. Look around, its pretty universally available at computer enthusiast places.
post #7 of 16
First, thank you for this detailed tutorial. I am strongly considering using Arctic Silver 5 on my m680 that runs from around 53-59 under normal use on AC. I would like to have it run in the 40's on AC if possible.

My problem is, I will receive the Arctic Silver tomorrow but I have very ppor vision and would like it if someone could help me apply this to my laptop. I would be glad to provide some compensation for this task. If anyone might take a chance on helping me in this and lives in New York City, please send me a private message and we can discuss it.

It would be so nice to have the machine run cooler loike my old Compaq notebook does. Otherwise it is a great laptop for my use. Thanks again. Before embarking on this journey, I would also like to hear about others who have done this and their experiences if possible.

Gary
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
Another thing to try if you are having temperature trouble is to make sure your power profile isn't set to "max performance". This causes the processor to run full speed (and full heat) all the time, whether the system needs it or not. Go to control panel, then power options, and on the Power Schemes tab, choose portable/laptop, and you can customize the settings below to your preference. This power scheme will allow the machine to clock down the processor when you aren't doing anything intensive. This should cut 5-10° off your temps.
post #9 of 16
Thanks again for that point. I was able to get a buddy of mine here to apply the AS5 as you showed in the tutorial. As I look now when I write this message, I am at 42 degrees on AC. It usually settles around 44 at this time. It has been about a week since the AS5 has been applied. Again, thanks a lot.

Gary
post #10 of 16
You left the thermal pads on the heatsinks. They are the aluminum pieces on the heatsinks that have indentations in them. There's actually a phase change wax underneath that melts when things heat up, so they've form fit to the chips. That's probably going to reduce thermal transfer efficiency. I'd scrape off the pads with something plastic (DO NOT SCRATCH SURFACE) and then get some Articsilver Articlean or Goof Off/Oops+Isopropyl Alcohol (Goof Off and Oops leave residue) to get the remaining gunk off. That'll be optimal.

Actually to be honest I wouldn't bother with the AS5. I've done it with two machines now and the difference is completely unnoticeable. If anything the machine will run warmer because the fans will kick in less. Maybe the CPU will be cooler, but your lap won't be. AS5 properly applied will save you at best 2-3 degrees over the pads and since you aren't overclocking temperature isn't all that important.
post #11 of 16
Swaaye,

If what you say is true about not bothering with the AS5 why was Falcon able to eliminate the heat in the palm rest area?

And Falcon, if you ever had to send your machine back for service how would you conceal your modifications...especially with the AS5 on there...?

I'm thinking about trying it but I've never done anything with a computer internally before and I don't want to void my ADP coverage.
post #12 of 16
I have to agree with Swaaye on this one, it didn't make much of a difference and in fact, it is A LOT hotter on the bottom and left side of my laptop. I would say it took off maybe 3 - 4 degrees but it is still about the same on the palm rest.

I was looking online to see if there was some kind of "Palm rest sticker or pad" that can be applied to the outside case to reduce the heat. Almost like a very thin termal mouse pad to cover the left side of the palm rest.
post #13 of 16
The artic silver 5 works fine but the key is in torqueing down the heat sink. Even with A55 those screws seem to loosen up just enough to allow the system to run hot. If you remove the heatsink and power up the machine, you will see that it heats up and shuts down almost immediately.

Eunix

WARNING - WARNING - WARNING

Removing the Heat Sink from your processor is a dangerous task and should only be done by a professional or a fool! . Permanent damage to your processor could occurs.

The temperature monitoring mechanism on your PC should shut your machine down, however if it is not working correctly you could fry your processor.

In my case, I needed to get an Idea as to how quickly the chip gets hot enough to trigger the thermal sensor and was willing to purchase a new processor in the event of a melt down.

Do NOT.....DO NOT attempt this at home without proper supervision from your parents and knowing the risks!

Eunix
post #14 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eunix
If you remove the heatsink and power up the machine,
Definately NOT a good idea.

Even with some type of hardware based thermal protection, the processor can easily be permanently damaged that way.
post #15 of 16
I added the warning notice that this is a dangerous procedure that could result in permanent damage to your processor.

Eunix
post #16 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon474
3.) Artic silver is incredibly hard to apply. It is a very thick paste. Applying with q-tips will make a cottony mess, as I have discovered several times. A finger works fairly well, but its not very precise and it makes a big mess of your fingers. Some people recommend flat toothpicks, and that is probably what i'd use if i was doing it again.

Hey Falcon474, Instead of using fingers and toothpicks, just use a card. Any cards really, as long as you can use them to lay the as5 equally. It's the best thing I ever used while applying Thermal Paste.
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