Originally Posted by burningrave101
I think if the Turion is capable of staying with the Pentium M in alot of the tests its only because of the limiation of the DDR2 memory and the motherboard. If you installed the Pentium M on a regular desktop board where it could use DDR400 it would beat the fastest Turion available in gaming.http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...70ct479&page=7http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...mm-780_15.html
64-bit isn't going to matter until there are actually games and enough applications to take advantage of it. Right now the 64-bit version of XP is a waste of time because there is little to no advantage to using it and driver support is still not that great for alot of hardware.
AMD will be moving to DDR2 next year with their desktop line so they will likely move to it on their mobile line as well. DDR2 has the increased latency over DDR although it is beneficial to laptops because it runs at only 1.8V.
Here are results from much more reputable websites
that show the opposite:http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...f/index.x?pg=1http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2342http://www.extremetech.com/article2...,1836328,00.asphttp://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2382
Honestly, that flawed review from gamepc
has brainwashed a lot of people. Many of them have complained and whined about any review that doesn't show the P-M as the top dog.
Techreport used a 855 MB, and many of the P-M zealots about the "old and constrained" platform. However, if you read the review carefully you will see that the overclocked P-M at 2.4 GHz is running on a 133 FSB (like the alviso chipset). Some people complained about the 855 chipset being underperforming, but forgot to show the numbers that prove how the 915M is better.
Anandtech showed both cases, 855 MoBo and the ASUs adapter in a 865 chipset. The P-M still lost both times, but gave a better fight on the 865 board.
Finally, extremetech showed the P-M in a compact 865 based motherboard, and it got absolutely destroyed. The masacre should be no surprise, it got murdered by the top dog in town, the FX-57. But if you go by the gamepc numbers, not even an FX-65 would beat a PM 2.0.....
The main strength of the P-M is the best L2 cache of any CPU available
(big, fast and very dense). Additional bandwidth doesn't help that much a chip with already strong cache. Both the K8 and the P-M are not that dependant on bandwidth (Do you extremetech review of the FX-51 when they had it running with DDR200, and it performed quite well?) So if you think a 800 MHz FSB DDR3 1200 will make the P-M a much more potent, I say no.
My comments on the review in question of this thread are very positive. I have NO real complaints, and I think the reviewer went as far as he could to make the systems even to isolate CPU performance. I have a few comments though:
- Test the Ferrari with the stock DDR333. When the S754 clawhammer launched, many review were conducted using DDR333. The performance differential between DDR333 and DDR400 was minimal (~2%). Using DDR333 would have not changed the overall balance, but would have made it even closer.
- Underclock the X700 in the Ferrari to make it even with P-M laptop. Not all overclocks are sucessful
- More games to be tested.
- For math benchmark, make superpi run at at leat 4M to make the system memory play more. superpi is the poster child of a benchmark that loves big fast caches. How about running prime95?
- Battery life was not a surprise for me at least. With the new desktop Venice cores running full load at aprox 37W, the Turion could only get better. People also forget that Turion is nothing other that a mobile Athlon 64 with SSE3, improved memory controller AND deeper sleep states. That is why under minimal load it fares quite well. A decent chipset to help it, and it is a good platform.All those people complaining about BIAS are totally wrong
, the review shows the victory margins very very close. Bias would be the turion ML-28 destroying the P-M 770 (game pc in reverse) The P-M is very potent, and its strong performance is a tribute to a very well executed cache helping an inferior design stay in the race.