4750 plz send bios versions

I had the same (or similar) problem when trying to do a repair install of WinXP Pro SP2. Eurocom Bios 1.05 didn't see the CD (or CD-ROM drive) as bootable (device), so I had to go back to (my) older Medion (CAD2000) BIOS (from Medion's website). After the install, I could update to 1.05 again. Cause for update to 1.05: Mobilemeter showed HD temerature as 45 Celsius, while with Medion (CAD2000) BIOS it was 10 degrees Celsius higher.

i can't find for the life of me the latest bios ver. for the 4750 either ... every time I follow up a link, the file isn't there, if you could email it to ogi010@yahoo.com that would be fantastic, thank you very much.

Ogi

Eurocom has posted v2.02. No discussion if this is okay - or did I miss it?

I did install the version 2.02 without any problems. As a matter of fact it has been running for a week on my unit without any problems at all. Now, I just want to get my hands on a fast REV E CPU to try it out.

Best Regards;

MS

When I try to install v2.02 it says "cannot flash if memory managers (e.g. EMM386) present. PRESS ANY KEY TO EXIT. I have disabled everything I possibly can, and even tried this from safe mode... I'm out of ideas. Any recommendations on what I should try next?

I assume you're booting from CD into DOS before flashing ...
Check your CD if there's any Himem or emm386 on it - delete it (best to use a high quality CD-RW so you can re-use it after deleting these files).
Try again.

Or try another way if you can:
Look if you can find (or still have) a Win98 boot disk (floppy) anywhere (there's lot of places on the web for this), delete any EMM386 and HIMEM files on it (if there's any).
Put the BIOS files + flasher onto this floppy disk, too.
Attach an external USB floppy disk drive to your machine. Let it boot from this floppy disk / drive (I had problem with BIOS 1.05 to do this, see previous post) if you can.
Flash the BIOS you had put on the floppy.

Remember, be careful when flashing. Attach power, do NOT do it on battery!

not sure how to boot into DOS using a CD ... I don't have a USB Floppy Drive so that is out of the question...

Thanks for the post back.

Ogi

I'm trying to make a boot CD using Bart PE ... I suppose I will find out if that works in short order or not ...

Ogi

nope still didn't work using bart PE.... really wishing I had a USB Floppy drive at this point.

Ogi

well I got past the other problem but only to get a new problem

"Unable to open - D:\47KR202\BIOS.WPH I don't have this file anywhere

Ogi

1) there's a bootable floppy image on Eurcom's website
-> Support -> System Bios
on top of page you'll see the link
If you don't have a floppy, it's of no use

2) on the same page there's a Flasher for Windows available (WinPhlash). It might work directly for flashing when running Windows. I haven't tried it, so I can't recommend it. At least, the Dos flasher, Phlash16, is for the same Phoenox BIOS.

I've used the Phlash*.exe that came with my 015 Medion Bios and flashed the 2.02 Eurocom BIOS using this flasher without any options. It worked.

After you've downloaded the D470K Phyton BIOS from Eurocom, you have the file "D47KR202.zip" somwhere. Unzip it. You'll get two files:
D47KR202.ROM, the BIOS file and the DOS flasher PHLASH16.EXE.
Under DOS, run "PHLASH16 D47KR202.ROM" - that shall start the flasher with the correct BIOS.

BTW, the Windows flasher WinPhlash is available for download on the same page as the BIOS. See options + syntax for running it in the notes for WinPhlash.

Please read all instructions carefully before flashing, and remember, it's on your own risk.

You seems to be the only man here (excepting myself)
with Medion clone of Clevo D470K.

This is because Medion's BIOS shows faked CPU temps: 10C lower
than the real ones! This can be clearly seen in mobilmeter: just after start up
mobilmeter shows temp like 22C (i.e. approx. the room temp) for HDD
and about 12C for CPU. 10C BELOW room temp, which is impossible!

Moreover, there is no "keyboard firmware" upgrade for Medion, its version
is 1.00.01. So that in fact Medion BIOS together with old KBC version
switches the fans on only when the real CPU temp
reaches 65C, and switches them off at 50C! This leads to overheating
of HDD, RAM, etc. By the way, my CAD2000 was originally equipped with
slow 2x256 Twin MOS RAM modules, which turned out to be unstable at such
high temps, producing 2-4 BSODs a day during several month. I was thinking
that the reason for those BSODs is just HDD overheating, but
when I upgraded RAM a month ago, replacing slow Twin MOS modules
with one 1G 400M ValueSelect Corsair, all BSODs disappear at once!
Despite the fact that HDD temp in Portable/Laptop power mode reached 71C!

Now I upgraded BIOS to Eurocom's v.2.02 AND keyboard firmware to v.S2.
And the laptop temps are now 26-35C for CPU (AMD64 3200+)
and 35-40C for HDD (I've upgraded as well original Hitachi 80G 4200rpm to
Seagate Momentus 100G 5400rpm).
If one not plays hl2, Doom 3 etc., just serfing in internet, editing text
or viewing videos.
The only drawback of S2 firmware is that the fans are working almost
constantly, at low speed. But the noise produced by fans is not, imho,
too loud: the noise from my fridge is essentially louder.

Important! To upgrade from Medion BIOS to Eurocom2.02 + S2
one is first to upgrade to Eurocom v.1.03. Versions newer than Eurocom 1.03
do not contain keyboard firmware upgrade file.

First of all, yes, I have the Medion (Cytron) Clevo clone.

Changing the Keyboard BIOS is out of question for me unless is reversible, just because of warrenty (3 years). Let me know if you think there's a way to go back to the orig. Medion keyboard BIOS:
I've update the main BIOS to Eurocom's 1.05 previously, but I also downgraded a few weeks ago when the machine went back for repair to Medion because it showed signs of splits in the cover near the hinges.

So my current temps are (MobileMeter) with BIOS 2.02:
CPU 48 degrees Celcius, HD 39 degrees C, doing just typing (833 MHz with CrystalCPUID running). Fan starts at 55 degrees and stops at 40 degrees (CPU).
When running video compression tasks, temp goes max. 59 degrees with 2 GHz (3200 AMD CPU).
What I still have to try is if booting from CD is again possible with v2.02. It didn't work for me with Eurocom's v1.05, so I'll report here ...

I really don't trust the BIOS re. temps shown in MobileMeter, but haven't found time to measure directly.

I've also changed RAM to 1 GB, don't know what brand (without opening & looking at it).
Also running Seagate 100GB inside (Seagate ST9100823A). Will change to 160GB when available next year from Seagate.

A tip when you have also the supplied PCMCIA TV tuner card that came with the machine (at least in Germany). If you're using PowerCinema 3 (as preinstalled), you can also upgrade to PowerCinema 4 and have the same functions (prob. lacking sth DVD-wise that came with an upgrade to v3). If anybody needs details & how to do, please send a PM.

What I really hope to see / read here is sb testing a Turion inside this machine and reporting if it really works with this BIOS ... There are two old threads here touching this subject, but both without a result.

Steve

The prog doing Keyboard BIOS update (Ph8f_131) seems to has no
command-line option permitting to back up old kbd BIOS.
So the only way to downgrade to old version is to find the old BIOS
.bin file somewhere in internet. But I do not know even its name
to try to find it somewhere: BIOS bin for S2 is called H8-S2.bin,
and I could find a whole v.103 Eurocom Bios using keyword "H8-S2.bin"
(www.ravenet.ca/files/475BV103.ISO)
but Google produces no results for "H8-01.bin".

The same temps approx. I had after upgrading to Eurocom BIOS
(but leaving old kbd bios intact). By the way after running
CPU tests from 3DMark05 (where CPU emulates GPU)
the CPU temp reached 88C!

I have no problems booting from CD with Eurocom v.1.03-2.02.
One is only enter BIOS (with F2) and then enter Boot menu there
and set CD as first boot device (moving it up with "+"). I do not know
why the default boot devise in Eurocom BIOS is "removable device",
contrary to Medion's "CD/DVD ROM".

As far as I understand MobilMeter uses Win APIs to extract the
temps from BIOS. So if BIOS routines itself did not fake the temp values
(as is clearly the case with Medion BIOS) then one can trust to temp values
MobileMeter shows.

The program like Everest (free for Home users) will show the memory brand
if only it is not manufactured by some "no name" company like Twin Mos.

I have no TV tuner module, unfortunately.

Clevo's site says that now D470K officially
SUPPORTS 35W Turions. And there is no way, imho, the BIOS supporting
turions is other than Eurocom 2.02.

I've used the CPUz program and it showed correctly 2x Apacer RAM 512 MB PC3200 (200 MHZ possible). The chipset has it run at appr. 160 MHz - also from CPUz:
160 MHz / CPU/5 / CAS 2.5 / RAS to CAS 3 / RAS 3 / Tras 7 / TRc 10 (correct according SPD).

The ClockGen program for K8T800 that is available via CPUz's webside doesn't allow to change multiplicator, only HTT (which is already at 200). So I assume running RAM synchron at 200 MHz isn't possible here ...

BTW, yes booting from CD is okay now. My problem was that I have to use the +/- key on the numpad (num = ON!) to move the boot entry for HDD down so "Removable" / "CD" starts first. I tried it with the normal +/- on my German keyboard and it didn't work. Prob. it's okay with normal +/- on US layout - haven't tried ...

I've downloaded CPUz right now. It says for my memory:
speed 200.5 Mhz, CPU/4, timings 3-3-3-8-11 (as in SPD for 200Mhz).
May be the lower speed of your memory is caused by the fact that
you have 2 memory modules instead of 1, and they can not be
synchronized at SPD speed? Try to remove one of the modules
(this is an easy operation, described in user's manual) and to see
what CPUz will show for this configuration.

Dear Vlad0,
yes, you were right. with one module (RAM) is has 200 MHz bus speed for RAM, with two is goes back to 166 MHz.

I have just read a German review of another Turion 17" notebook currently available, so I took the time to ran at least Aquamark3 on my (nothing running, WiFi off, NAV off etc.) - compare it to yours if you want ...

Aquamark3 with Omega 5.6 installed -3200 AMD64, 2 x 512 Apacer RAM @ 166MHz, ATI @ 460 Core, 250 RAM

1. option - Standard test
1024x768x32 AA off, Aniso 4x, Details: V.High
results:
FGX: 3.774 CPU: 8.291, Total: 30.753
(updated to Omega 5.11 = results in Aquamark3: 30.719)

BTW, the Turion tested in the review I've read (with ATI X700 graphic) came out with appr. 28.000 on Aquamark3 ...

My test results (with modded Catalist10a):

Default GPU clock (475/250):
Aquamark3:GFX/CPU/Total: 3.831/8.545/31.296
3DMark03: 3727
3DMark05: 1888

Overcloced GPU (535/285):
Aquamark3:GFX/CPU/Total: 4.422/8.521/35.123
3DMark03: 4275
3DMark05: 2092

I was running all test without switching off any of usual startup programs.
But I have no NAV installed (it slows down the system more than some
viruses and troyans can do, imho). The only resident security tools I use
are SPF and Microsoft Antispyware.

I'm to note that ATI Tools shows minor GPU errors after running
at overclocked speed more than 10min or so (probably due to GPU
overheating). But those microartefacts are not visible while
running 3D tests. In any case I was playing comfortably HL2
during 5 hours last night with no GPU overclock used
and with all maximal settings (except AA=2 and AF=3) at resolution
1280X768. So the overclock is superfluous for HL2 at least.

After bying my laptop I refrain from reading reviews of newer laptop models: it seems to me a bit masochistic .
Clevo/Sager/Medion is a really great laptop, but has one essential drawback: everything in it can be upgraded
except graphics card. There is no way to upgrade an AGP card to a new generation PCI express one.
But I do not know, whether it is not possible to replace 9700 with mobile ATI Radeon 9800, which is the most
powerful mobile solution for AGP. Does anybody know, whether this is possible in principle?