1.7GHz equivalent to 3.06GHz? - Page 3

We travel in different circles amigo...

Well I'm glad there are ample power outlets for most folks. I guess I travel in all the wrong places then

Hang around in airports for a while and you'll see that ac outlets are a first come first serve sort of thing. You can get one - but not always.

Meetings that drag on for-damn-ever - no outlets.

Long flights are bit or a battery challenge as well. You might not fly much - I do - I dig having a long lasting battery.

Following the 82nd Airborne around in Botswana or the MN National Guard in Kosovo, or following heavy engineers building a road on Annette Island in Alaska...Not so many outlets... A good friend spent a lot of uncomfortable hours sitting whithin kissing distance of a massive diesel generator trying to keep his BAG (big ass Gateway) charged up while following the initial push into Iraq.

Hell - when I'm home - to just be able to plop on the couch and surf for 5 or 6 hours without having to worry about uncoiling an AC Adapter is sweet.

If dragging around 10lbs of Clevo and 1lbs of AC Adapter is acceptable for you then by all *means* knock yourself out! You're obviously happy with them so live and let live!

Just accept that there are folks that are happy that the Pentium M has come along and feel that they're getting their money's worth. My T41p is ultra quiet, runs cool, is damn all fast, and can play *anything* I throw at it with aplomb. To make things even better it's an inch thick and weighs around 4-5lbs. I'm way happy about that.

The systems that we're now issued from the Army are Dell D60's with 1.6 Pentium M's and Nvidia 128Meg GPU's. They're *great* - wide screen, fast, (but a bit heavy and large to tote around) - and have excellent battery life.

None of us want to go back to the big, battery hungry, P4M powered Gateways we used to have to tote around...(they're the main reason so many of us started buying our own systems for field work).

Holy crap! When I check mine, I get a shade over 3hrs (3:05) on 100%. I have an 8600 with 1.7, 512, 60/72, WUXGA. Is there another battery out there that holds twice as much juice?

I am set to "max battery" as well.

Maybe your screen brightness is still fully lit? or maybe because of the WUXGA resolution? Also I have the ATI 9600 which is said to slow down in speed when in battery mode.

I get around high 3 hr to low 4 on DVD playback. I have not tried to game on battery power but Ill see if I can get a screen capture of the battery life.

As far as a high powered battery, I dont know about that. Mine is what Dell issued, which I would think is factory OEM.

This is obviously your first Dell. Wait until your battery goes dead 'exactly' when your warranty runs out. And surprise surprise that month Dell puts up it's battery price by two hundred dollars.

Look up "Inspiron 7500" and Battery on google.

Bend over Durjaya, Dell's coming.

No bendy...

Huh?

the Durjaya will submit to no anal violation by an OEM vendor!! The only Dell's he has are *issued* not owned. Which means his rich uncle (Sam) will pay for new batteries.

Not him.

My ThinkPad's battery should last a fine long time...(and when it dies - I can use it as a club!)

conditioned response...

Hey Juice, this may not matter much - but did you condition your battery? You know - a cycle of run it dead - charge it up - run it dead charge it up?

I've seen folks get crappy performance out of their batteries pretty quick if they don't do this.

Of course - it may just be all those PIXELS! Wow - WUXGA sounds great but man that's a lot of dots to fill with light

@Durjaya
Your special case force you to buy a Pentium M notebook. Maybe an Apple 12" Powerbook would be even better (8 hours battery time).

But for the most gamers with less claim to battery performance a Pentium M would be a bad value for one's money. In particular with M10 or hotter GPUs, the Pentium M notebooks aren't even quiet.

Conpain

Not at all. Made sense to me. Altho' I'm one of the ones that's having a hard time "getting over" the ghz/ghz stumbling block.

and you think that 3 fans on a 5680 will be "quiet"?

(Tip: get I8kfanGUI to control your 8600's fan)

What do you think I'm typing on now?

Heh - I'm typing this on a 12" PowerBook!

I routinely steal it from my wife But don't let Apple's marketers fool you - we've never seen 8 hours of life out of our little silver wonder - tops out around 5-6 just like the Pentium M systems. I have travelled with a PowerBook a fair bit in the past - love them much - just can't game on them all that well The only other problem is that the 12" PowerBook doesn't have a PC Card slot. This isn't a huge deal - but it is much easier to slap my Camera's micro-drives into a pc card slot than it is to carry around a card reader. Just one more thing to lose

I agree - most gamers are more concerned with performance than with battery life - and that's cool. Each to his own. For me I have to have battery life *and* good frame rates - and to me - the difference in frames between a P4 Clevo and my T41p aren't enough for me to really care.

As far as quiet goes - I think that really depends on the manufacturer. The T41p is a 1.7 P-M and it's damn quiet. The hard-drive makes more noise more often than the fans do. All depends on the quality of parts and the time taken on designing efficient cooling I'd imagine.

I wouldn't write all P-M systems off as noisy quite yet.

I used the I8kfanGUI. ;-)
The 5680 with a P4 3.2 isn't quieter than the Inspiron! But compared with other Centrinos, the Inspiron is louder and produce much more heat. The difference to a "real" desktop replacement notebook is not that big as you may wish.

I don't realy need the battery power of the Inspiron and in all other aspects the Clevos just rule and are even cheaper.

Conpain

Conpain, I see that we are brothers in arms in 2 forums now.

@jack500


you should read some german forums... Im a hard nut to crack.
My posting count reached in the last week never seen before increases. :-)
(It has nothing to do with the return of my Inspiron :P )

My german postings are naturally much longer and writen in a better understanding tongue. But my english is crapy so I have to shorten my postings here.

Conpain

@Conpain

German eh,.? I'll try my hand at your language...

Hat was ich dir gesagt hab in der Dell forum dich deine Inspiron zuruck schicken lassen? Hast du darum ein Sager angeschafft?


Did that make sense? I never took lessons, this is what I managed to scrounge off of ARD WDR and ZDF tv.

@Durjaya:

Anal violation be imminent.

*lol*
It really make sense!
not bad, not bad.

But I'm not a real German. I am a mix of German/Hungarian/Transylvanian Saxon and so I speak some other languages too

Conpain

Beware of syntethic benches...

Conpain, beware synthethic benches like these, for they measure performance of an isolated component out of context. For example when the Athlon just had come out, the P4 was still giving these numbers over Athlon, but everybody knows the Athlon in real world floating point apps was just trashing the P4 so bad.

Why this is so? while the P4 has more bandwidth in the bus, it is more innefficient. A miss-predicted branching instruction can stall the pipeline of the cpu and since it is so deep, that's a lot of cycle just waiting for the "bubbles" to come out of it.

This is why the P4 performance is so affected by higher speed memory (whereas the Athlon not as much)- because it counts on that to make up for other design decisions.

This is also why a P-M at say 1.6Ghz can outdo a P4 @ 2.5 (not Hyperthreaded).

Hyper threading definitively introduces a favor to the P4 that has it. In CineBench 2003 (an excellent real world benchmark btw, based on the same engine of the 3d raytracing/modeling program Cinema 4D), you get about a 20% peformance boost (I measured this myself).

- Raist

But just to be clear...

Yeah, I don't buy a Pentium -M matches a P4 @ 3.06 even without hyperthreading. But probably 2.7-2.8 (again, no hyper threading).

- Raist

Centrino not meant as a desktop replacement....

I agree a centrino couldnt match a p4 HT, but they werent made to. I'm failing to understand why people are trying to put both into the same category. Each processor line has it's own purpose. P4's are desktop replacements. Centrinos are mobile solutions that can substitute for desktops if they have to, but at the same time, run for many hours.

I too enjoy not being tied to a wall. Being a computer programmer, I dont get to go outside much The ability to be free to move around is by far more then enough reason to get such a processor. Its not like it cant handle most, if not all, computer games on the market.

Even if I could always be tied to a wall's power outlet all the time, I wouldnt want to.

I am not trying to put them in the same category. I was clarifying why the P4 benches on synthethic benchmarks is way above the Pentium M yet the Pentium M can match some of the P4 line. I respect what each was created for and since I am a "laptop guy" now I would like to have a Pentium M. I was just clarifying on synthethic benches.

- Raist

I don't know why you write such an untruth.
The Athlon / Athlon XP even outperformed the P4 in Sandra Benchmark. Even with the new Nortwood "C" the Athlon XP with Barton Core scores very close to the P4.

The AMD vs. P4 dispute was conflagrant because the AMD CPU reaches the same scores like the P4 with more MHz. You know the analogy Ferrari-high-RPM-engine vs. big-block-V8? There is now words about such a thing what you told - e.g. less Sandra scores!!!

The AMD XP CPU reaches the same processing speed like an adequate P4 "B", but with less MHz.
The Pentium M (Banias) CPU processing with each MHz like an Pentium 4 "C". The P4 3.2 HT is exactly twice as fast as the Pentium M 1.6. It could make ALU and other operations twice as fast. The AMD XP 3200 scores nearly twice as fast too.

And I thought the P4 managed pipe jumps pretty well. The cache size doen't coun't if it not optimezed. And if you would be a techi you even knowed that the P4 has the best optimized cache management up-to-date (x86 architecture!).

Conpain