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post #1 of 32
9/5/05 at 2:22am
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Ok here is the deal. I have had this XPS 2 for over a month and I had it clocked at 515 1200 for the entire time . Stable... HOT, but very stable in ALL games.. HL2..WoW etc. now all of a sudden last night I get reboots in WoW. HL2 actually get the GPU HOTTER and NO freaking reboots. Wow.. random reboots.. its not heat either as I watched it reboot at 83C. HL2 gets up to 94C. I applied AS5 over a month ago also so no issues there. THE ONLY seting it does not reboot on now is the original bios... ANY other one gives me randoms WoW reboots. N O OTHER game. WTF gives? WoW is the reason I bought the laptop. I called Della nd teh rep is sending a replacement card as I saw on the othe threads. Anyone else have this experience and/or a solution??
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post #2 of 32
9/5/05 at 5:23am
Here's a hint....STOP OVERCLOCKING...You risk problems down the road. Stabe or not in other games, you will eventually run into problems down the road. Your lucky the DELL REP can't see that you overclocked your GPU or your warranty would be null and void.

Just be happy with what and how it came. You want something faster? Then spend the money cheapskate... :P

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Originally Posted by Charles Blakema
Ok here is the deal. I have had this XPS 2 for over a month and I had it clocked at 515 1200 for the entire time . Stable... HOT, but very stable in ALL games.. HL2..WoW etc. now all of a sudden last night I get reboots in WoW. HL2 actually get the GPU HOTTER and NO freaking reboots. Wow.. random reboots.. its not heat either as I watched it reboot at 83C. HL2 gets up to 94C. I applied AS5 over a month ago also so no issues there. THE ONLY seting it does not reboot on now is the original bios... ANY other one gives me randoms WoW reboots. N O OTHER game. WTF gives? WoW is the reason I bought the laptop. I called Della nd teh rep is sending a replacement card as I saw on the othe threads. Anyone else have this experience and/or a solution??
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post #3 of 32
9/5/05 at 11:42am
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L O L ok If I am so cheap what exactely would be faster chief? Im also pretty sure spending 2K + on a laptop is NOT being cheap...quite the oppostie really
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post #4 of 32
9/5/05 at 11:55am
Bad choice of words, but he's right. You spent 2K on a laptop that performs awesome WITHOUT over-clocking. If your having issues and your knowingly oc'ing, the logic tells you to stop oc'ing to see if your issues go away.
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post #5 of 32
9/5/05 at 12:02pm
Bump the core down to 485 - 490. If that doesn't work, get a replacement card.
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post #6 of 32
9/5/05 at 12:24pm
Charles - the difference between WoW and all other games is that WoW is a memory hog like no other. Probably that's stressing your laptop in a way that all those other games don't. I agree... if your laptop is so hot when you play games, you should really back it down. It's unlikely you're getting a huge benefit out of the OC anyway, so why bother? That goes doubly if you're having problems in one of the games.

-Nate
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post #7 of 32
9/5/05 at 12:35pm
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Well I should have stated that the ONLY setting that doesnt reboot is the Origonal Bios. Howe many FPS diff between stock and 500/1200 do you think?
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post #8 of 32
9/5/05 at 2:39pm
WoW doesn't hog memory. It actually takes much less than FPS'. It can sometimes seem like it hogs memory because of the way it handles the seemless world (e.g. dynamic loading, and unloading of data). WoW makes more use of your hard drive's seek time than it does your graphics card, because of the near constant reads.

Does it cause a reboot with no message (e.g. no blue screen)? Does it happen at a certain point in the game? Under certain circumstances?

If no message, it sounds like a power issue. Given that the original settings don't cause the reboot, that should tell you that you screwed something up. Usually if something pukes, it gives a warning.
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post #9 of 32
9/5/05 at 2:50pm
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No warning or message just goes to a black screen 10 seconds or so then a reboot RANDOM. nothing in particular triggers it
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post #10 of 32
9/5/05 at 3:27pm
Sorry about sounding harsh about the O'Clocking thing....But in egards to to the BIOS....Yes, the updated BIOSes have some chamges as to Memory mapping and such and will affect how WOW will address certain parts of memory and having an overclocked machine is not helping it any better.

My advice like I said (and others have stated) DO NOT OVERCLOCK and see if that makes a difference....Seriously the hack will maybe add 10 more frames to your games, does that really make a difference visually?!? I think not. If you want faster Video wait for the Geforce GO7800 XPS2 upgrade card coming out at the end of September - Early October (as stated by someone else in this newsgroup)...


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Originally Posted by Charles Blakema
Well I should have stated that the ONLY setting that doesnt reboot is the Origonal Bios. Howe many FPS diff between stock and 500/1200 do you think?
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post #11 of 32
9/5/05 at 3:54pm
Overclocking the card shouldn't hurt it. I was clocked at 500/1300 and kept hitting 95c (the point when the card throttles down) My card never rebooted.

My first card would reboot in games espically CSS assault almost instantly.

New card fixed that problem
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post #12 of 32
9/6/05 at 7:22am
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Overclocking the card shouldn't hurt it. I was clocked at 500/1300 and kept hitting 95c (the point when the card throttles down) My card never rebooted.

My first card would reboot in games espically CSS assault almost instantly.

New card fixed that problem
But shoman24v, you didnt play WoW with your laptop? Charles Blakema said other games (HL2 included) didnt crash on him.
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post #13 of 32
9/6/05 at 10:11am
Either way it shouldn't be crashing,
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post #14 of 32
9/6/05 at 10:36am
I think there is truth in what Sony and shoman have stated. overclocking shouldn't hurt your gpu since it has internal protection however you have the card oc'd too high. if you would back the clocks down to where shoman has his set it would probly get rid of the rebooting issue. when i first got mine i was clocking as high as i could and having reboot issues, i dialed it down to shomans speed and its all good now.
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post #15 of 32
9/6/05 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by shoman24v
Overclocking the card shouldn't hurt it. I was clocked at 500/1300 and kept hitting 95c (the point when the card throttles down) My card never rebooted.
Oh my god, dude. 95c?! I get uncomfortable with temps above 55C. You do realize you could almost boil water on that card, right? That'll *definitely* shorten the lifespan of the card dramatically, if it doesn't just burn up immediately (which miraculously it is not).

-Nate
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post #16 of 32
9/6/05 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by Nate Finch
Oh my god, dude. 95c?! I get uncomfortable with temps above 55C. You do realize you could almost boil water on that card, right? That'll *definitely* shorten the lifespan of the card dramatically, if it doesn't just burn up immediately (which miraculously it is not).

-Nate
95c will not hurt the card, if it did artifacting would occur

Parts are designed to run at certain temps

Yeah that's high, but not going to hurt it.
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post #17 of 32
9/6/05 at 11:35am
[Lumbergh]Umm... yeah... I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that....[/Lumbergh]

Video cards are not made to run at 95C. Whether or not you see artifacts is not an indication that the lifespan of your card isn't being reduced. And not only are you reducing the lifespan of your video card, but the heat you're introducing into your laptop is probably heating everything else up, too.

Parts are designed to run at certain temps... 95C is just not one of them

I'd like to try to find a spec somewhere on the card and see what it says the operating temperatures are... but I couldn't find it after a quick google, and I don't have extensive time to search right now. Hey, I may be wrong, and would love it if someone found a spec saying I was

-Nate
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post #18 of 32
9/6/05 at 1:57pm
Shortening the lifespan of the card? So it lasts 7 years instead of 10? It's obsolete in what? 2 years?

While I agree 95c is pretty hot nvidia picked that temp to clock down for a reason. There is so little to be gained in OC'ng the card though that it's a touch silly to put up with unstable operation to keep it there. I'd clock it back down and be happy with it. If the card were designed to run that fast then it would ship that way.
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post #19 of 32
9/6/05 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by Nate Finch
[Lumbergh]Umm... yeah... I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that....[/Lumbergh]

Video cards are not made to run at 95C. Whether or not you see artifacts is not an indication that the lifespan of your card isn't being reduced. And not only are you reducing the lifespan of your video card, but the heat you're introducing into your laptop is probably heating everything else up, too.

Parts are designed to run at certain temps... 95C is just not one of them

I'd like to try to find a spec somewhere on the card and see what it says the operating temperatures are... but I couldn't find it after a quick google, and I don't have extensive time to search right now. Hey, I may be wrong, and would love it if someone found a spec saying I was

-Nate
Then go tell NVIDIA to lower the throttling down speed to 85c instead of 95c.

You have an X300, I know how hot, I mean cold that card runs, I have one. We are talking about the 6800 Ultra. The ultra alone is a space heater.

If you design a part to only run 70c, and not calculate other factors like ambient air blah blah blah your failure rate for a particular part will be high when it is operating at temps higher then 70c.

The reason the card throttles down at 95c is to protect it. I've seen 93c-94c and not had any problems. ATi Cards are a little different, they do not run as hot as NVIDIA's 6 series. My old X800XT PE never got over 80c, actually ever close to that.

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post #20 of 32
9/8/05 at 3:11pm
Back to the topic here I too had a restarting issue my 6800 is on stock settings HOWEVER I have a pinmodded cpu running at 2.26ghz now the restarts are frequent if I do not have an active cooling system like say a room fan pointing towards the systems or placing the XP2 near an AC. You have to keep in mind the CPU and the GPU are both sharing the same heatsink so having the gpu run at its top 97c temp will have an effect on the cpu side of cooling. I had CHC clock down my cpu to 1.87 for gaming and it works without me having to put this huge fan behind it. Ofcourse im going to be picking up a laptop cooler and see how that works out.
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