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post #41 of 49
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Originally Posted by ask1about
I got a compelling reason why you should get Turion over Pentium-M....

<.<O.O>.>

Wisper*Intel kills puppies...*

AI got a nice compelling reason actually, if 2 things procide same performance and does not hurt you in any way. Get the Turion, why? so Intel will get scared and AMD gets more funding to compete and create better technology and then Intel and AMD will work harder and better processors due to competition.
BTW, what you said is probably the whole business idea behind Apple computers. And what about VIA cyrix? I think performance do play a role in choices after all...

I'm also willing to bet there is still some die hard Amiga rebels out there still waiting for the Amiga 5000 which is supposedly superior to anything out there at least for 10 years...

I thought I was late in switching from Amiga (motorola 68020 CPU) to PC in
1994.
post #42 of 49
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Originally Posted by Karma
Most interesting for me, however, is that higher rated Turions take LESS power at the same speeds that lower rated Turions. This is a very good reason to get a higher rated CPU, as it will increase your battery life!:

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Turion 64 (MT) 24 W P-State Table 
       CPU      2.00 GHz  1.80 GHz  1.60 GHz 800 MHz 
Turion 64 MT-37 25.0 W     20.9 W   17.5 W    7.9 W 
Turion 64 MT-34            24.5 W   19.9 W    7.9 W 
Turion 64 MT-32            24.5 W   19.9 W    7.9 W 
Turion 64 MT-30                     22.0 W    7.9 W 
Turion 64 MT-28                     22.0 W    7.9 W
Source:

The Turion 64 Inside Story Part I

The Turion 64 Inside Story Part II
AS far as the higher clocked CPU... I think it being a newer chip has improved power management... I wished they would've used the TURION MT-37 and Pentium M760. laptoplogic.com's choice over CPu speed was better(2.0GHz)
PM750 1.86GHz vs. Turion MT-34 1.8Ghz= .6GHz differance, slight advantage. So was the video card....

AMD Intel
Core clock 351 MHz 357.75 MHz
Memory 128 MB GDDR3 128 MB GDDR3
Memory clock 297 MHz 344.25 MHz

Wow I'm shocked about the whole gaming benchmarks... Turion should of had that department http://www.notebookforums.com/editpo...ost&p=1193075#
Mad
My $.02
post #43 of 49
I would reiterate that if you are purchasing a notebook come the beginning of 2006, I don't think I would purchase anything non 64 bit, unless like the current gen 2 there is nothing else in the same league. 64 bitness isn't mandatory now, but in 2006 I think it should be.

$.02
post #44 of 49
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BTW, what you said is probably the whole business idea behind Apple computers. And what about VIA cyrix? I think performance do play a role in choices after all...
Please don't use Apple as an advantage, apples are only ment to keep teachers away, just like apple. With all due respect, Apple has no chance of beating windows, unlike so AMD has a fighting chance against intel. See windows is full of bugs and all...but Mac runs on applications not the other way around causing alot of crashes.

See on windows, it crashes itself and we have someone to blaim, MAC has us crash it so...>.> no one to blaim other then ourselves, and we all like pointing fingures and so on. Plus Microsoft has mind control device and is much better at being a Monoply.

See, we view Intel as greedy, not EVIL, Microsoft, AOL and etc fall under EVIL catagory. Why you ask? cause it seems liek they put those bugs in on purpose. Thats why we can't help but come back for more.

This benchmark isn't well formulated due to so much difference in what is used. I'm sure they. I don't see any reason to publish this whats so ever.

Side Note: Intel still kills puppies..."It's Puppies inside"
post #45 of 49
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Originally Posted by Spartan805
Wow I'm shocked about the whole gaming benchmarks... Turion should of had that department
Why should the Turion have that department? When installed on a desktop and compared to desktop processores the higher-end Pentium M chips like the 770 and 780 are capable of beating a CPU as fast as the FX-55 in gaming. In a desktop gaming comparison the Pentium M 770 performs the same as an A64 4000+ overall.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...70ct479&page=8

The Pentium M 750 sure did blow away the Turion in DOOM 3 in the Tomshardware review. That almost seemed like there was something wrong with the benchmark with that huge of a difference. The Pentium M was twice as fast.
post #46 of 49
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan805
AS far as the higher clocked CPU... I think it being a newer chip has improved power management... I wished they would've used the TURION MT-37 and Pentium M760. laptoplogic.com's choice over CPu speed was better(2.0GHz)
PM750 1.86GHz vs. Turion MT-34 1.8Ghz= .6GHz differance, slight advantage. So was the video card....

AMD Intel
Core clock 351 MHz 357.75 MHz
Memory 128 MB GDDR3 128 MB GDDR3
Memory clock 297 MHz 344.25 MHz

Mad
My $.02
Spartan, three things:

First, it was a 60Mhz CPU difference, not 600Mhz CPU (you did your math wrong). A .06GHz CPU difference will not make a difference.

Second, as they mentioned in the articles, they overclocked the GPU so that both had matching clocks on both the core and memory. Should I mention what happened to the last guy that didn't read the articles?

Third, both the MT-37 and MT-34 are AMD's 90nm single channel socket 754 mobile chips, and both include SSE3 support. That puts both of them into the same category of chip generation and power management. I knew that higher rated CPU's were higher quality, but to know that they can reach higher speeds at lower power levels than lower quality CPU's is something I didn't think about, until recently.

Redmumba:
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Originally Posted by Redmumba
Just to put some numbers with that (for other people's purpose), it shuts down all but 1/64 of its L2 cache, whereas the Turion has to completely power its entire cache regardless.
Notice I said:
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Originally Posted by Karma
Intels additional L2 cache and ability to switch off almost all of it's L2 cache also increases performance and decreases power draw
1/64th is "almost all" in my view. You are correct about it's impact; that's what Toms article said almost verbatim.

However, the additional 20GB of hard drive space would not increase power draw, as it only is a higher-density hard drive. IDE/SATA data transfer, higher platter speed, additional cache, NCQ all would increase/decrease power draw, but not data density (actually, in theory, the higher data density drive would have the lower power draw, as the head/actuator would have to travel a smaller distance to retrieve the data needed). If they had a different number of platters, 1 vs 2, for example, that would increase/decrease power draw, as the mechanical complexity would be simpler (if there were just 1 platter) and you wouldn't need as many heads/actuators. But both the Samsung MP0804H and the Toshiba MK6026GAX have 2 platters, so they are about as even as you can get.
post #47 of 49
u guys see that review at logic whatever it was, and the amd was ahead in a lot

but wasn't that review flawed? OH no it was perfect because the amd was ahead. but

IF the intel was ahead in there review you guys would say it was flawed.

b.s


the only way and a good way we can get a good comparison, is via these forums pull stats from 8104 users, and ferrari 4000 users, that have not touched the drivers and loaded defaults and run tests.
post #48 of 49
Thread Starter 
Perhaps we should have the Dalai Lama run the benchmarks? Just for objectivity....
post #49 of 49
...and at the end intel and amd are laughing about all those who just look at benchmarks.
benchmarks are not everything and (like i said in another thread) the turion chipset is just in the first generation. everybody should wait a little time until the next generation is out and the turion mt is to find in a notebook

perhaps we should also wait for the next ati gpu ^^
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