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The BEEBSTER 8887 Review!!

post #1 of 107
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Well, it's time for a second round of reviewage :-) I have ordered an 8887, and here are the specs:

755 Display: 16.1" UXGA LCD
724 Custom Color: Standard Black
756 Processor: 3.06GHZ P4 533 FSB
757 Video: Radeon 9000 128MB DDR
476 RAM: 1024MB (2 DIMMs)
731 Hard Drive: 40GB 5400RPM
372 2nd Hard Drive: No
683 Media Drive: 8X DVD/24X10X24 CDRW
Combo Drive
372 2nd Media Drive: No
350 Modem: 56K V.90
351 Network Card: 10/100 NIC
494 Operating System: No Operating System
702 Keyboard Layout: USA
353 Floppy Drive: 3.5" Floppy Drive
354 Battery: Primary Li-ION battery pack
355 Case: Basic Black business case
372 12V Car Power Adapter: No
372 Spare Battery: No
372 Wireless Network: No
618 MP3 Player: No MP3 player or RAM
470 Accessory: TV Tuner and Remote
750 Software Bundle: No
291 Office Software: No
356 Warranty: 1 year warranty, lifetime
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I'd like to report that PCTorque was great as always. I received a confirmation like 2 minutes after I placed the order :-) The email included all pertinent information (including a confirmation of the specs above). It should arrive by Thursday a week from today, so the actual review will start on Thursday night after my big history exam :-) I just thought I'd start up the thread to get any recommendations/suggestions up front.

I already have gotten some requests, one of which will involve a detailed report of how I get the system ready for use... The OS installed, the drivers, optimizations, etc. I didn't get two hard drives on this one like the 8886. I want to wait for the 7200 rpm drives to come out and get that in the main compartment and put the current one in the secondary place :-) So, the swap file optimizations will be on the same hard drive. I'll explain that as it comes.

Everyone have a great night!
post #2 of 107

Excellent!

That's great news!

I can't believe the 8887 is here!
Well, once again, good going!
Tell us how it goes.

Cheers.
post #3 of 107
hey beeb one request... could you run 3dmark as one of the first things you do when you get your lappy, without updating the drivers, so we can see what the system will do without any tweaking at all right out of the box. That number might be more helpful to people who think they have a hardware problem because they can reformat and run 3dmark and see what happens.
post #4 of 107

beebs

Hey beebs!!
Congrats man!!! Enjoy your godbox as im sure you will
And hey, PIX PIX PIX!!!!
post #5 of 107
Thread Starter 
Consider it all done :-)
post #6 of 107

Re: The BEEBSTER 8887 Review!!

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[i] I didn't get two hard drives on this one like the 8886. I want to wait for the 7200 rpm drives to come out and get that in the main compartment and put the current one in the secondary place :-)

Everyone have a great night! [/b]
Hey Beebster,

Are the release of 7200 rpm drives imminent? I was thinking about getting a 2nd drive for my 8886 but if the 7200's are around the corner then maybe I should hold off as you have done. Thanks
post #7 of 107
Thread Starter 
lol, not imminent, no... In fact, I have not read anything to indicate that they'll even happen at all, lol, except that I heard IBM developed a 7200 rpm drive for laptops... Although IBM no longer makes hard drives, lol, so that could be a problem :-) (at least I think IBM stopped making hard drives...) To be honest, the main reason I didn't get one is because of cost, but I also did want to leave one bay open for a better hard drive in the future. I plan on having this laptop for a long time as my main one computer.
post #8 of 107

having

yah..im planning on having my lappy for bout 3yrs. im also planning to build my desktop. but, i hope that sager agrees to the upgrade thing with the motherboard.
post #9 of 107
Same here Icefluxx, I would like to have my laptop for a good 3 years and be able to upgrade the motherboard. I've also been planning on building a pc too, then I started thinking that i would really like to have a good desktop replacement...and i came across Sager But I still want to have something that i created myself, so I think I'll still build a pc sometime soon in the future..
post #10 of 107
Hey Beebster;

Did ya get it yet? I am dying too read about the paces you're gonna put the BEAST through.

pepc
post #11 of 107
Quote:
Originally posted by pepc
Hey Beebster;

Did ya get it yet? I am dying too read about the paces you're gonna put the BEAST through.

pepc
Naa, we're holding Beebster's order for fraud investigations. =)
post #12 of 107
Quote:
Originally posted by beebster83
lol, not imminent, no... In fact, I have not read anything to indicate that they'll even happen at all, lol, except that I heard IBM developed a 7200 rpm drive for laptops... Although IBM no longer makes hard drives, lol, so that could be a problem :-) (at least I think IBM stopped making hard drives...) To be honest, the main reason I didn't get one is because of cost, but I also did want to leave one bay open for a better hard drive in the future. I plan on having this laptop for a long time as my main one computer.
Recently, I went straight to the source on this (i.e. IBM's site), and they have merged this area with Hitachi, so they're still going, just maybe via a different company.
post #13 of 107
Quote:
Originally posted by Jahws
Recently, I went straight to the source on this (i.e. IBM's site), and they have merged this area with Hitachi, so they're still going, just maybe via a different company.
Affirmative. In fact, the new 80 Giggers should be in production soon. As far as 7,200s go, that might take a while, though. Here:

http://www.research.ibm.com/resource...xie_dust.shtml
post #14 of 107

im sayin

yah, thats what im sayin skot. it is fun to build your own pc after all. Usually, the process is in reverse. Desktop then lap. But, im still hoping on the upgrade issue. Im thinkin, if all goes well, that new vid card, and the hyperthreading technology would be worth an upgrade. But, three years, yeah. i dont want overkill cuz it would just make me broke..heh...but just enough to kick all my friends arses






Sagernotebooks:
RISE OF THE LAPTOPS
post #15 of 107

Re: im sayin

Quote:
Originally posted by Icefluxx
yah, thats what im sayin skot. it is fun to build your own pc after all. Usually, the process is in reverse. Desktop then lap. But, im still hoping on the upgrade issue. Im thinkin, if all goes well, that new vid card, and the hyperthreading technology would be worth an upgrade. But, three years, yeah. i dont want overkill cuz it would just make me broke..heh...but just enough to kick all my friends arses

Sagernotebooks:
RISE OF THE LAPTOPS
If somehow they manage to get the mobo/vidcard upgrade thing going, then it will certainly extend the life a lot. However, if the cost is too high, then it might to justify it [as opposed to getting a new machine for a bit more]. We'll have to see what choices are offered in the future.

Cheers.
post #16 of 107
Thread Starter 
Lol, yeah, the beast arrives at my house today and my brother is bringing it over tomorrow. I'll get the review up and running by Friday night. Just to let everyone know, I'm going to delete all non-relevent posts from this thread so there's less extraneous material.. (this post included, lol). I apologize for that! In any case, hope everyone enjoys it! (Keep in mind that irrelevency doesn't apply to questions or requests about the review).
post #17 of 107

...

well, thats what im hoping for, at a moderate price though. 600bucknucks is what im looking at. So, well all wait and see. But, im not so much concerned about the cpu as i am the mobo and vid card also. But, if the price is too high, that wont be good at all.
post #18 of 107

Re: ...

Quote:
Originally posted by Icefluxx
well, thats what im hoping for, at a moderate price though. 600bucknucks is what im looking at. So, well all wait and see. But, im not so much concerned about the cpu as i am the mobo and vid card also. But, if the price is too high, that wont be good at all.
I think anything under $1000, but including the latest stuff, plus shipping and handling, plus fixing up of the drivers, etc. is okay.

Cheers.
post #19 of 107
Thread Starter 
Everyone who posted, please delete any posts you posted on this review unless it pertains specifically to the review. Thank you! :-)
post #20 of 107
Thread Starter 
Ok, so begins the review. :-) The package arrived on time and in great condition. UPS did require a signature. It was kind of funny actually because my mom had to drive after the UPS truck after he ran repeatedly and she didn't hear the doorbell (darn TV.). But, she caught him and got the package. My brother opened it and described everything to me over the phone since I'm at college and it went to my house first. He said it looked incredible (just the physical part of it) and that all of the accessories were there and in order. I was wondering if it would come with the spdif/mic splitter since I didn't order an mp3 player (that may sound illogical, but sometimes litte accessories aren't added by mistake). It did come, though, and the laptop itself was wrapped in protective plastic. I'm pretty impressed with the packaging... It's easy to use and with the 8886 I got from PCTorque earlier it was easy for them to repackage it and send it to me. In turn, it was easy for me to repackage it and send it across the country to its new owner. I commend Sager on this point.

Now, some forum members have requested that I write up a procedure for exactly what I do when I receive the 8887 or any computer. I will do so now. If you don't wish to hear this, lol, then skip right to the next post, as I will end this post after this description (unless it doesn't all fit in one post...).

First, you get the computer and you decide what OS (operating system; ie: Windows) you want to put on it. I prefer Windows XP. The reasons for this are offered all over the forums if you do a quick search for XP. It's a great OS. When you turn on the computer, there will be an option at some point towards the beginning of the boot up to go into the settings... This is how you access the BIOS (basic input output system). If the computer you get does not have anything on the hard drive, then you shouldn't need to mess with the bios. Just put the cd in as soon as you turn on the computer. In this case, I'm using an XP cd. If the cd is bootable, which is should be, then the computer will boot into the cd. Now, sometimes the computer may display a message like "Press any key to boot from cd"... If it does that, press a key, lol. If you do not, then it won't boot from the cd. This usually only happens if you've got an OS already installed on the hard drive. Keep in mind also that if you have an OS already on the hard drive, you will need to go into the bios and change the boot devide order so that cd is first.

How does the boot device order work? Well, there are usually three boot devices or options for 3 devices in the bios. They are first, second, and third. You specify the order in which devices (ie: hard drive, floppy disk drive, cdrom drive, etc) are scanned for an OS or something bootable. The default is usually disk drive, hard drive, cdrom drive. So, the computer will scan the floppy... finding nothing, it will scan the hard drive... IF you have no OS installed, it will find nothing and then scan the cdrom drive and find your windows cd. IF you do have an OS installed, it will find this first and boot into it. So, you will need to make the cdrom drive the first boot device, then the hard drive second, and the floppy last in this case.

Now that you are into the XP install, just go through the installation as per the instructions. It will first load up all of the stuff for the install, and then ask you what you want to do. The options generally include (by generally I mean with different windows versions... I'll try and generalize this for windows as opposed to XP whenever that is possible) installing or reinstalling or repair installing or the like. You want to install, and you select that option. Then you select where you want to install it. It'll scan your computer for hard drives and partitions, and then it'll ask you to choose one. When you first get the sager, if you ordered it without an OS, there will be just once hard drive (or two if you have two, etc) and you can pick it and go on. It will then ask you if you want to format the drive fully, or do a quick format, and depending on the version it may ask what file system you want.

Personally, I ALWAYS do a full format. As per my understanding, full format actually goes through and redoes the file system on your hard drive so no part of the drive is inaccessable because of corrupt data, etc. A quick format will just go through and delete all of the file references in the file system (so the hard drive is empty). Now, keep in mind that neither of these options truly clears the hard drive... it just erases the addresses of all of the files in the file system. The data is still there, but it's just 1s and 0s without an address. The same thing happens whenever you delete a file. The only way to truly clear your hard drive is to actually go through and write all 1s or all 0s on it. You can buy programs that do that if you prefer to be thorough in your erasure of files. Lol, personally, I have no need for that, but I thought I'd include that tidbit of info to provide a better understanding of formatting.

As far as file systems, there's NTFS (NT file system) and FAT32 (file allocation tables) and FAT16 etc etc depending on which windows version. Linux and mac have their own, and so on and so on. Essentially, it's basically how the operating system divides the drive into a grid so that the addresses for files can be made up using a point system. FAT32 and NTFS are pretty much all that's used with Windows nowadays for the home user. NTFS is slightly slower than FAT32, but it has higher security associated with it somehow (I forget the reason for this). I always go NTFS, though. My friend does FAT32 and the performance gain is minimal... as in not existant unless you have a benchmark that will show the .01% difference :-)

So, you format, in my case with NTFS. After formatting, it will copy the windows install files to the hard drive. When it reboots after this point, if you have changed the bios so it scans the cdrom as the boot device first, then you may have to remove the cd to prevent it from booting back into the original install program. In most cases, the computer just says "Press any key to boot from cd" or it offers the little OS choice list and the choice you want is Windows XP installation or setup or whatever it writes at that point depending on the OS. This will go into what looks like a loadup of windows. Here, it'll start installing windows and it has a little time showing how much longer it'll take. Usually, this is one of the longer parts of the install. At one point it'll ask you to set the clock. At another point, it'll ask you to set the workgroup or domain. You don't have to do this if you don't want to. It can all be easily changed in windows later on. I always set it to the workgroup for here at school on the network, just because I know that's where I'll be using it.

When that's finished, it'll reboot and take you into XP. Keep in mind the thing about the cd being in there if you changed the setting in the bios. (If you take it out during the boot, it won't hurt the install, it'll just ask you to put it back in when the computer needs it). Now that you're in XP, you can do some setup stuff if you like. But, the first thing you really need to do is install the drivers. :-) Driver install is always fun because you get to reboot the computer every few minutes, lol. Oh well :-) A necessary evil. As a little visual support for this, refer to PCTorque's explanation of driver installation for the 8886.
http://sagerforums.com/forums/showth...=&threadid=204
I will do the driver install in a similar order, but with some modifications. Refer to each on their review if you want to know specifically how to install each driver step by step (as in where to find the driver, etc). I start with the chipset drivers. These will optimize the communication between the chipset, cpu, and hard drives. Without this, the laptop will run fairly inefficiently and any other installation will take longer. These drivers are on the drivers cd. You'll have to reboot.
Then the video drivers. Now, there are many things you can do about this. You can either use the drivers on the drivers cd. Or, you can use the 6218 drivers from s-seven.net. Or, you can use the latest Catalyst drivers from ATI using the directions provided by Zachquiel in the drivers section. You do not need dx9 to load these drivers (they are dx9 drivers).
"Yeah you can load up cat 3.0 on the 8886
First extract the installation files (after that, do no try to use the included ati setup), then remove your current driver and software using the add/remove software propmt and the device manager.
Reboot
Windows will load with its crappy standard drivers, go to the device manager, search for the display driver, click update driver (Or install), in the prompt when asked, click select location of the driver, go to the installation folder, then drivers, select the directory, then many devices will be listed, select the radeon 9000 pro, ok ok to all prompts, maybe it will ask you to reboot, but before rebooting, go to the install folder, look for software, ati panel, install the panel, reboot.
Right on! The ati cat3 drivers are ready.
(It runs very stable with them, and a bit faster, if anyone wants benchmarks, tell me)"
I'm pretty sure all of the drivers will work pretty well. I'll provide benchmarks as I get them :-)
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