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post #121 of 295
9/22/05 at 2:08am
To clear a few things up i think you are both right and both wrong on somethings.
I dont understand why there is so much heat here between 9300 and XPS2. We are all on the same team, so to speak. Even if Dell does not support the 7800 in the 9300 there will be postings here of people who make it work.


No one ever pays MSRP for a Dell. So comparing MSRP prices means nothing.
I paid under $350 for my XPS2 over a simmilary speced 9300.
Had I dropped my CPU, RAM, and Hard Disk and DvD burner down i could have saved over 700 more making it close to $1000 difference. However for me personally I was going to get the the 9300 as i speced my XPS2 anyway.
The reason I got the XPS2 is ...... because I could. I have a job (and a wife) that lets me afford a $2300 laptop (what i paid after taxes). Thats the main reason XPS2 owners are older. Its because those that grew up with nintendo still play games and can now afford bigger 'toys'.
I could have eaisly choosen a 9300 and been quite happy. Battery life would have been nicer.


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Originally Posted by Lindy
Its money...money...money....money.

If Dell can make it work in the 9300 cheaply, and some bean counters at Dell say “you have X amount of 9300 owners (way more than XPS2 owners) and of them 35% will pay the price to upgrade...and that 35% x $400 (or whatever) is substantially more that the cost to get it engineered...tested...and supported in the 9300…..blah…blah….blah”.....Dell of all companies will do it faster than you can blink.
You are correct in the money part. However there are more variables. Specifically the impact on XPS2 sales. Dell had experience with this factor with the XPS1/9100 issue. Will they repeat is one question. As pointed out Dell already limits the CPU of the 9300 to be lower than the XPS2 for no reason other than Marketing.

Its all speculation at this point anyway. But I admit its fun to speculate. Because someone is going to be right and then get bragging rights with a link to their post that had the correct answer.
post #122 of 295
9/22/05 at 2:17am
Who cares about this freakin' card? I just got my I9300 and it's working fine with the 6800 go. I mean, I might shell out the extra cash if the card becomes available, but that won't be for a while. Everyone needs to quit bitching about this thing until it comes out on the 29th.

Plus, I see no reason why the I9300 wouldn't get it. It is billed as the "multimedia machine".
post #123 of 295
9/22/05 at 2:18am
i wonder if i knew a person who built the lappies for me, if they could sneak in a 780 processor in a i9300 hehe lol
post #124 of 295
9/22/05 at 2:19am
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Originally Posted by DaddyOf2Girls
To clear a few things up i think you are both right and both wrong on somethings.
I dont understand why there is so much heat here between 9300 and XPS2. We are all on the same team, so to speak. Even if Dell does not support the 7800 in the 9300 there will be postings here of people who make it work.


No one ever pays MSRP for a Dell. So comparing MSRP prices means nothing.
I paid under $350 for my XPS2 over a simmilary speced 9300.
Had I dropped my CPU, RAM, and Hard Disk and DvD burner down i could have saved over 700 more making it close to $1000 difference. However for me personally I was going to get the the 9300 as i speced my XPS2 anyway.
The reason I got the XPS2 is ...... because I could. I have a job (and a wife) that lets me afford a $2300 laptop (what i paid after taxes). Thats the main reason XPS2 owners are older. Its because those that grew up with nintendo still play games and can now afford bigger 'toys'.
I could have eaisly choosen a 9300 and been quite happy. Battery life would have been nicer.



You are correct in the money part. However there are more variables. Specifically the impact on XPS2 sales. Dell had experience with this factor with the XPS1/9100 issue. Will they repeat is one question. As pointed out Dell already limits the CPU of the 9300 to be lower than the XPS2 for no reason other than Marketing.

Its all speculation at this point anyway. But I admit its fun to speculate. Because someone is going to be right and then get bragging rights with a link to their post that had the correct answer.
Thanks, well said daddy.
post #125 of 295
9/22/05 at 2:20am
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Originally Posted by Lindy
Why.............simple.

The had basically one machine, same MOBO, chipset, ram, CPU's (all but one), modem, Rom drives......etc. They changed out the plastic 1-2$ in china, added some xmas tree bulbs 1 to 2 cents in china, added a GIGE NIC....2-5$ in china, and a 6800Ultra with faster ram maybe $30-50 at the volume Dell would buy.......and got people like you to pay on average 700$ more. Personally I think that's brilliant on their part.

(This is where you tell me that you got the XPS cheaper than my 9300….NOT…….the cheapest super coupon, I know someone at Dell XPS2..deal is still going to be more expensive than the cheapest, super coupon, I know someone at Dell 9300…deal)

Now they take that same basic machine, sold two different ways and they probably knew two things from NVIDIA….one the new PCIE format would be upgradeable (if Dell wanted it to be) and two upgrades like the 6800-7800 usually don’t increase power since it’s the same basic GPU with a smaller die but with more pipes (vs….radical new design) they if anything decrease power requirements in most cases.

So NOW they can get upgrade money not only from the XPS group but the 9300 group as well. Again twice the money from the same basic model…..great business strategy. Its you ma’am that don’t get it….clearly.

For people like you Showgirl they are going to get you again…..especially if it’s made available for the 9300. You won’t be able to handle not having the best laptop….so you will upgrade for sure so as not to be outdone by a 9300 owner.

Riddle me this showgirl….why is it you so badly DON’T want the 9300 owners to get this upgrade????? Personally I want everyone to get it….and if I owned the XPS2 I would want the same thing.

"You just got served!!"

Well said Lindy.
post #126 of 295
9/22/05 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by DaddyOf2Girls
We are all on the same team, so to speak.
Agreed. Sadly, there is a small group of people that continually degrade the "lowly" i9300 users. It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
post #127 of 295
9/22/05 at 2:27am
I am still not seeing how alot of you keep mistaking that the 7800 has the same power requirements of a 6800 ULTRA NOT the 6800 regular, but oh well, I must say though that I doubt that Dell would repeat an old mistake and undermine the sales of their new "lexus line" but hey that could just be me


and either way I am not happy because I am an ATi whore but alas, no MR X1800 yet
post #128 of 295
9/22/05 at 2:29am
Its all Dell. You dont see other name brands in NBF bitch slapping each other because they bought a different model. I think the age group or mentality of most Dell users was displayed here today.
post #129 of 295
9/22/05 at 2:37am
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxrule
Its all Dell. You dont see other name brands in NBF bitch slapping each other because they bought a different model. I think the age group or mentality of most Dell users was displayed here today.
post #130 of 295
9/22/05 at 3:27am
Has anyone seen any official news that a standard 7800 Go (not GTX) will be released? I would think that there would be such a GPU. And if there will be one, I certainly don't think it's implausible that this "vanilla" 7800 could be offerered for the i9300. I think that for anyone to say that the i9300 won't have a 7800 option (meaning a "vanilla" and/or GTX version) is premature. After all, look what happened with the current 6800 generation... the XPS line got the top-end GPU, and the i9300 received a variation that was slower. Why is it so absurd to think that the i9300 might get a 7800? And since the current graphics modules are similar (and even compatible, with modifications), it certainly seems possible.

If there will be a 7800 GTX option for the XPS, which seems to be the case, and a 7800 non-GTX option for the i9300, Dell will still keep the top-of the line (GTX) part exclusive to the XPS line for the crazy, money-is-no-object gamer bastards (and before you flame me, I'm an XPS Gen 2 owner myself, but I was and still am on the fence between buying the Gen 2 / i9300). I think this is a very plausible prediction.

I think it's likely that NVIDIA is marketing the GTX version now simply because it's their best and most impressive part, and that we will see a slower version.

I see a lot of opinions here stated as fact, like "The i9300 will NOT get the 7800". These statements are ridiculous when there aren't any facts to back them up.

It's certainly going to be interesting to see how this all pans out in the next few weeks.
post #131 of 295
9/22/05 at 3:27am
you believe this crap i got some property to sell you off of galveston
post #132 of 295
9/22/05 at 3:54am
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Originally Posted by boo boo
you believe this crap i got some property to sell you off of galveston
Haven't you found another board to troll yet?
post #133 of 295
9/22/05 at 4:16am
I keep checking Dell's website to see if they are putting it in the cinfiguration yet but nothing. I'm anxsious to see what this will go for
post #134 of 295
9/22/05 at 4:29am
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Originally Posted by erawneila
may be the 7800GTX go for XPS2/M170 and the 6800U for i9300. just MO
hope not
post #135 of 295
9/22/05 at 5:32am
Quote:
Originally Posted by tate
I keep checking Dell's website to see if they are putting it in the cinfiguration yet but nothing. I'm anxsious to see what this will go for

so am i, i want to see it up on the site.... then i want to see some godo coupons for the next gen machines...
post #136 of 295
9/22/05 at 8:52am
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaddyOf2Girls
To clear a few things up i think you are both right and both wrong on somethings.
I dont understand why there is so much heat here between 9300 and XPS2. We are all on the same team, so to speak. Even if Dell does not support the 7800 in the 9300 there will be postings here of people who make it work.


No one ever pays MSRP for a Dell. So comparing MSRP prices means nothing.
I paid under $350 for my XPS2 over a simmilary speced 9300.
Had I dropped my CPU, RAM, and Hard Disk and DvD burner down i could have saved over 700 more making it close to $1000 difference. However for me personally I was going to get the the 9300 as i speced my XPS2 anyway.
The reason I got the XPS2 is ...... because I could. I have a job (and a wife) that lets me afford a $2300 laptop (what i paid after taxes). Thats the main reason XPS2 owners are older. Its because those that grew up with nintendo still play games and can now afford bigger 'toys'.
I could have eaisly choosen a 9300 and been quite happy. Battery life would have been nicer.



You are correct in the money part. However there are more variables. Specifically the impact on XPS2 sales. Dell had experience with this factor with the XPS1/9100 issue. Will they repeat is one question. As pointed out Dell already limits the CPU of the 9300 to be lower than the XPS2 for no reason other than Marketing.

Its all speculation at this point anyway. But I admit its fun to speculate. Because someone is going to be right and then get bragging rights with a link to their post that had the correct answer.
The only flaw I see in your argument is that you assume that XPS2 sales will be affected. I would argue that XPS2 sales over all are much, much lower than 9300 sales....and not because 9300 owners cant afford them, but because there are way more OLDER people like my self that don’t want the looks of the XPS2 (and high res) but want a powerful desktop replacement laptop.

With that said, again Dell will probably consider this ONLY from a money making standpoint. If sales of 7800upgrades to 9300 owners is > than sales dropping because of "panties in a wad" potential XPS owners then Dell well allow the upgrade to 9300 owners provided it will technically work.

Its been said already here in this thread that Dell’s smartest move would be to NOT offer the 7800 as initial configuration option for the 9300, but only as an upgrade. This way you would have to buy one with a low end X300 then upgrade…..in the end spending more than an XPS with a 7800 from the get go. As the 9300 owner you then get the video power of the XPS2 with out the bling. Money…..Money…..Money
post #137 of 295
9/22/05 at 9:58am
Who knows...? Nobody here, for sure. Maybe they'll cancel both the 9300 and xps 2 and just offer the 140/170/190/210/whatever. Jeez....speculation is fun but let's relax a bit. There are any number of ways they could go. I can't believe people are getting excited about other people's wrong, (probably), guesses. We'd all like to know but we don't so we'll probably have to wait.
post #138 of 295
9/22/05 at 9:58am
That's because XPS 2 sales will be affected if you offer that card for the 9300. Your right, it's all about money. If you are looking for the 80 and 100gb 7200 drives you have to get the XPS, if you are looking for the 6800 Ultra... you have to purchase the XPS, if you are looking for the 2.1 and 2.2GHz processor... you have to get the XPS. If you want more you will have to spend more even if the real price between a similarily equipped XPS and 9300 is only 100 bucks dell will up the consumer price to make their share of money.

I couldn't see dell selling off the 7800 with this config: 1.6PM, 256 ram, 60 gb HD, 1440x900 screen, 7800GTX

And I still ask my question: If it is all about money, why hasn't dell offered the Ultra for the 9300? I'm sure more people would buy their PC's with that card. I mean the XPS is one big unprofessional looking christmas tree.....

Anyone who thinks this card will have the power consumption of the 6800go is crazy. The 7800 will be just as hot as the 6800 Ultra and you can count on that

One thing to look at is the 7800 (well desktop) shuts down internal parts when they are not used, So expect to see more battery life in the XPS. Should see this feature in the new card.

I would love to get this card... But I don't work enough right now thanks to school to afford it...

What you will see is a lot of 9300 users purchasing used 6800 GO ultra's You can count on that one.
post #139 of 295
9/22/05 at 10:43am
Quote:
Originally Posted by shoman24v
That's because XPS 2 sales will be affected if you offer that card for the 9300. Your right, it's all about money. If you are looking for the 80 and 100gb 7200 drives you have to get the XPS, if you are looking for the 6800 Ultra... you have to purchase the XPS, if you are looking for the 2.1 and 2.2GHz processor... you have to get the XPS. If you want more you will have to spend more even if the real price between a similarily equipped XPS and 9300 is only 100 bucks dell will up the consumer price to make their share of money.

I couldn't see dell selling off the 7800 with this config: 1.6PM, 256 ram, 60 gb HD, 1440x900 screen, 7800GTX

And I still ask my question: If it is all about money, why hasn't dell offered the Ultra for the 9300? I'm sure more people would buy their PC's with that card. I mean the XPS is one big unprofessional looking christmas tree.....

Anyone who thinks this card will have the power consumption of the 6800go is crazy. The 7800 will be just as hot as the 6800 Ultra and you can count on that

One thing to look at is the 7800 (well desktop) shuts down internal parts when they are not used, So expect to see more battery life in the XPS. Should see this feature in the new card.

I would love to get this card... But I don't work enough right now thanks to school to afford it...

What you will see is a lot of 9300 users purchasing used 6800 GO ultra's You can count on that one.
Man I answered your question. They don’t offer the 6800Go Ultra so that they can have two models based on the same basic hardware. You reach a wider audience. They could easily have one laptop that could get put any video card in it….but then what plastic would you put on it? The conservative business oriented shell, or the bling bling, lanparty check me out shell……having only one is going to turn off one of those crowds.

They sell way more 9300’s…..but there is a market for the high end, and for the most part equal coupons…equal specs (CPU, RAM, HD, DVD but with better video card) higher price and profit margin. Because the two share 90% of the same parts (higher priced parts like MOBO…..NOT plastic) it’s easy for them to offer multiple versions of the same basic laptop.

Its like GMC, they have a Chevy Tahoe...GMC Yukon….then the Chevy Suburban and the GMC equivalent of the Suburban. These vehicles share 98% of the same parts, two of the 4 have a longer frame and there fore longer rear body panels…but the rest is the same minus grill parts with GMC or Chevy on it……it’s a benefit of mass production.
post #140 of 295
9/22/05 at 10:50am
Yukons and Tahoes have the same engines
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