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post #61 of 295
9/21/05 at 4:51pm
I made some correction to the quote below..

zRatt

Quote:
Originally Posted by kbdrand
I just got this from an inside source at Dell:

The NVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 7800 GTX Ultra(there is no such thing as a 7800 ultra) is a member of the new GeForce 7 series of notebook graphics processing units (GPUs). This new generation of GPUs redefines the standards for high performance and low power. The NVIDIA GeForce Go 7800 Ultra is positioned as a high performance notebook GPU, and supports next generation Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0, high quality integrated video processing technology, and advanced power management capabilities with NVIDIA PowerMizer™ technology.

Key features include (Click term to view/hide description):
CineFX™ 3.0 Shading Architecture - A superscalar architecture with up to 8x shading performance over previous generations
- Full support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0
- 64-bit floating point texture filtering and blending to empower high dynamic range lighting effects Intellisample 3.0 Technology - Advanced 16x anisotropic filtering and rotated grid antialiasing algorithms provide a new level of graphics image quality.
- Fastest antialiasing and compression performance
- Support for advanced lossless compression algorithms for color, texture, and z-data at even higher resolutions and frame rates
- Fast z-clear
- High-resolution compression technology (HCT) increases performance at higher resolutions through advances in compression technology Advanced Engineering - Fast GDDR3 memory and a 256-bit memory interface deliver extremely fast frame rates at high resolutions and antialiasing/anisotropic (AA/AF) filtering settings.
- A native PCI-Express interface provides a full, bi-directional 4GB/sec. of bus bandwidth for both upstream and downstream data transfer.
- Advanced thermal management and thermal monitoring Advanced Video and Display Functionality - On-chip video processor for high-quality digital media encode/decode.
- Advanced adaptive de-interlacing
- High-quality video scaling and filtering
- Integrated NTSC/PAL TV encoder supporting resolutions up to 1280×768 without the need for panning with built-in Macrovision® copy protection
- Microsoft Video Mixing Renderer (VMR) supports multiple video windows with full video quality and features in each window
- Full NVIDIA nView™ multi-display technology capability NVIDIA Digital Vibrance Control™ (DVC) 3.0 Technology - Color controls
- Image sharpening controls
Field Installed Upgrade Option
In addition to this card being factory installed, a field upgrade may be offered for sale to Customers who purchased the lower performance video card(This means the 6800 go Ultra) with their new system. The field upgrade will include both the new card kit (Video Card, SW CD, Label and/or techsheet) and an onsite installation by an authorized Dell service provider. In no case can the customer purchase only the card and install it themselves. This would void their warranty. The driver details shown below are for the CD included in the upgrade kit. If the driver is obtained by web download or backup media, it may not have the user screens shown. The customer should be directed to dell.com (under XPS) or to S&P sales for information on purchasing the upgrade.

Edit:

I just got another email that confirms that it will be Sept 29th when it goes on sale.
post #62 of 295
9/21/05 at 4:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by anettis
My prediction is that DELL will not offer the 7800 as an option for the i9300. That would essentially eliminate the chief differentiator between the i9300 and their ultimate gaming machine notebook (i.e XPS GEN 2). However I also think that where there is a will there is often a way - and with some spare parts and/or hacked BIOS it may certainly be possible to update the i9300 to use the 7800.
They did the same thing to xps gen 1 owners. They offered the lower model the same video card upgrade as the gen 1, so anything is possible.
I hope it is true, I would be in the market for one as soon as the card goes on sale. If it doesn't i'll simply get a new lappy come december! and my 9300 could mount in my car!
post #63 of 295
9/21/05 at 4:56pm
I really don't care because I will more then likely not be upgrading mine.....but I don't think that from

"a field upgrade may be offered for sale to Customers who purchased the lower performance video card(This means the 6800 go Ultra) with their new system."

You can assume that it means the 6800 ultra becuase the original sentence implies choice in the matter where with the XPS there was no choice. If that is what they meant, I would think that it would have been worded along the lines of....

"a field upgrade may be offered for sale to Customers who purchased a XPS GEN2 System before this video card was released."
post #64 of 295
9/21/05 at 5:11pm
There *IS* a chance the 7800GTX might be COMPATIBLE with the I9300 yet not perform at peak performance.

The 7800's main claim to fame (besides having 24 pipes to the 6800's 16) was the fact that the "top-shelf" part could run with one-slot coolers. This was because the chip was far more efficient at handling voltage.

The 9300's PSU is a little less potent than the one in the XPS Gen 2 - so while I think the GTX might WORK in the 9300 - you might not be able to get full clocks out of it.
post #65 of 295
9/21/05 at 5:24pm
It may be more expensive of an upgrade for 9300 users and then they will upgrade the PSU of the 9300. That may be what they will do to make XPS owners not cranky. Offer them the upgrade at a cheaper price.
post #66 of 295
9/21/05 at 5:42pm
its nice to know that the 9300 might be supporting the card

But one thing i have noticed from these threads is that they always result in a bunch of people flaming...an xps2 owner gets pissed off then starts flaming about how bad it is then a 9300 owner says something back in retaliation, then the xps2 owner flames more, thinking he/she is certain that the 9300 will not get the new card, then it all just ends up one big tangle of flames.
Seriously...who gives a shit, you have what you have, if you like it then good for you, if your going to flame about being ripped off if dell sells the 7800 for the 9300 then maybe you should stop and think about what you have...an xps2 with a 6800 ultra which has been the best laptop card and STILL IS the best (at least until the release of the 7800). "Lifes not fair", and if Dell knows that they can make tons of money by making the 9300 compatible with the 7800, then why the hell would they not do it? Business is business.

On a side note, IF Dell does sell the 7800 for the i9300, then is it possible that they will only sell the card separately but not have it as an option when actually buying the 9300? For example, if your going to buy a 9300, it wont have the option of getting a 7800. BUT if you have a 9300 and just want a better video card, then you can buy the card separately. Anyone think something like that might happen?
post #67 of 295
9/21/05 at 5:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by WingZero2309
its nice to know that the 9300 might be supporting the card

But one thing i have noticed from these threads is that they always result in a bunch of people flaming...an xps2 owner gets pissed off then starts flaming about how bad it is then a 9300 owner says something back in retaliation, then the xps2 owner flames more, thinking he/she is certain that the 9300 will not get the new card, then it all just ends up one big tangle of flames.
Seriously...who gives a shit, you have what you have, if you like it then good for you, if your going to flame about being ripped off if dell sells the 7800 for the 9300 then maybe you should stop and think about what you have...an xps2 with a 6800 ultra which has been the best laptop card and STILL IS the best (at least until the release of the 7800). "Lifes not fair", and if Dell knows that they can make tons of money by making the 9300 compatible with the 7800, then why the hell would they not do it? Business is business.

On a side note, IF Dell does sell the 7800 for the i9300, then is it possible that they will only sell the card separately but not have it as an option when actually buying the 9300? For example, if your going to buy a 9300, it wont have the option of getting a 7800. BUT if you have a 9300 and just want a better video card, then you can buy the card separately. Anyone think something like that might happen?
I think that is exactly what they will do, they will offer it for both, the xps in config mode and the 9300 through spare parts.

Wouldn't you be a little mad if you paid $1000 to $2000 more than someone with a 9300 and end up with the same computer.
post #68 of 295
9/21/05 at 6:03pm
None of this speculation is helpful. The XPS owners are saying it won't be released for the 9300 (as if trying to protect some sort of throne they sit on), and then the 9300 owners are hopeful that they will be able to see a longer life out of their notebook.

Guys, these are cheap plastic rectangle filled with more cheap plastic electronics. Nothing more, nothing less.
post #69 of 295
9/21/05 at 6:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by fattybear
Guys, these are cheap plastic rectangle filled with more cheap plastic electronics. Nothing more, nothing less.
...but for some reason there are entire forums dedicated to them...

I think the bottom line here is: If you are in the market for a new gaming notebook and you are not sure if you should should spring for the XPS2 or save money with the 9300, then you should wait a 8 days and see if you can some day upgrade the 9300.
post #70 of 295
9/21/05 at 6:17pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaddyOf2Girls
...but for some reason there are entire forums dedicated to them...

Doesn't change the fact that people are arguing over cheap plastic rectangles and insulting each other over them.


I'm done.
post #71 of 295
9/21/05 at 6:24pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Groove75
After all the threads about 6800 ultra heat issues and downclocking while playing games, I'm even more glad I cancelled my order and went with a 9300.

Incidentally, does anyone know how the 6800 go or 6800 go ultra's perform with this new generation of HL2 HDR lighting technology's? I couldn't find any benchmarks...
Just cause you read that some users are reaching a slowdown threshold you decided to cancel your order?

When you enable HDR in any game your FPS goes to shit.
post #72 of 295
9/21/05 at 6:28pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by fattybear
Doesn't change the fact that people are arguing over cheap plastic rectangles and insulting each other over them.


I'm done.
i was trying to make a funny since your comment was insulting people who have opinions about notebooks and you posted on a place called notebookforums.

I agree people are arguing over it, but thats what forums are about. It goes back to the early days of Rome. (I disagree with the cheap part of your comment).
Everyone likes to speculate and its this is one of those places where you have lots of people hunting the internet for peices of info on a new product and posting what they know, and trying to make sence of the whole thing. I think people are really passionate about it partly because cost. After my house, and my car, my notebook is the most expensive think I own.
post #73 of 295
9/21/05 at 6:28pm
Whatever, but I copied and pasted that information from an email I received from a Dell representative. It could be wrong but I did not modify it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zratt
I made some correction to the quote below..

zRatt
post #74 of 295
9/21/05 at 6:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by kbdrand
I just got this from an inside source at Dell:

The NVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 7800 Ultra is a member of the new GeForce 7 series of notebook graphics processing units (GPUs). This new generation of GPUs redefines the standards for high performance and low power. The NVIDIA GeForce Go 7800 Ultra is positioned as a high performance notebook GPU, and supports next generation Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0, high quality integrated video processing technology, and advanced power management capabilities with NVIDIA PowerMizer™ technology.

Key features include (Click term to view/hide description):
CineFX™ 3.0 Shading Architecture - A superscalar architecture with up to 8x shading performance over previous generations
- Full support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0
- 64-bit floating point texture filtering and blending to empower high dynamic range lighting effects Intellisample 3.0 Technology - Advanced 16x anisotropic filtering and rotated grid antialiasing algorithms provide a new level of graphics image quality.
- Fastest antialiasing and compression performance
- Support for advanced lossless compression algorithms for color, texture, and z-data at even higher resolutions and frame rates
- Fast z-clear
- High-resolution compression technology (HCT) increases performance at higher resolutions through advances in compression technology Advanced Engineering - Fast GDDR3 memory and a 256-bit memory interface deliver extremely fast frame rates at high resolutions and antialiasing/anisotropic (AA/AF) filtering settings.
- A native PCI-Express interface provides a full, bi-directional 4GB/sec. of bus bandwidth for both upstream and downstream data transfer.
- Advanced thermal management and thermal monitoring Advanced Video and Display Functionality - On-chip video processor for high-quality digital media encode/decode.
- Advanced adaptive de-interlacing
- High-quality video scaling and filtering
- Integrated NTSC/PAL TV encoder supporting resolutions up to 1280×768 without the need for panning with built-in Macrovision® copy protection
- Microsoft Video Mixing Renderer (VMR) supports multiple video windows with full video quality and features in each window
- Full NVIDIA nView™ multi-display technology capability NVIDIA Digital Vibrance Control™ (DVC) 3.0 Technology - Color controls
- Image sharpening controls
Field Installed Upgrade Option
In addition to this card being factory installed, a field upgrade may be offered for sale to Customers who purchased the lower performance video card with their new system. The field upgrade will include both the new card kit (Video Card, SW CD, Label and/or techsheet) and an onsite installation by an authorized Dell service provider. In no case can the customer purchase only the card and install it themselves. This would void their warranty. The driver details shown below are for the CD included in the upgrade kit. If the driver is obtained by web download or backup media, it may not have the user screens shown. The customer should be directed to dell.com (under XPS) or to S&P sales for information on purchasing the upgrade.

Edit:

I just got another email that confirms that it will be Sept 29th when it goes on sale.

That whole post is garbage, it was made up in this guys mind. It is not from Dell. The 7800 card doesn't have the "CineFX™ 3.0 Shading Architecture", it has "CineFX™ 4.0 Shading Architecture". Also the 7800 cards have Transparency AA, the info stated doesn't mention that at all. The info he stated is word for word the info of the 6800 cards. He just replaced "6800" with "7800".
post #75 of 295
9/21/05 at 7:06pm
haha, good detective work... "Inside source from Dell indeed...." The lengths that some people will go to on these threads is embarassing...

I really hope you didn't make this up kbdrand, that would be absolutely pathetic.
post #76 of 295
9/21/05 at 7:07pm
Anyway, I wonder if my 4-year warranty will cover the new GPU if Dell installs it.
post #77 of 295
9/21/05 at 7:27pm
I think the answer to this question can be deduced based on potential profits. DELL is in the business to make money. Sure they could sell perhaps hundreds or even thousands of 7800 cards to i9300 owners but they would rather sell GEN 2 units to tens or hundreds of thousands of eager buyers. If it got out that a stock i9300 could easily be on par with a GEN 2 (via a supported DELL upgrade) there would be a massive drop in sales of GEN 2 notebooks in favor of i9300 notebooks. The GEN 2 is probably one of the most profitable notebook models so it is against DELL's financial interests to ever put the highest caliber mobile GPU in any other notebook than its current "ultimate gaming" model. Plain and simple.
post #78 of 295
9/21/05 at 7:46pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by KClark24
Thanks! Some good info for us 9300 owners, althogh it's hard to imagine upgarding my video card after only owning my 9300 for a month or so. Any guesses on what this thing will cost right out of the gate?


Exactly, the dust hasnt even had a chance to collect on our systems and people are already talkin about upgrades. I am guessing at least 400 dollars, an upgrade for a lappy usually costs twice the price that it would if you originally bought it in the first place. Thats why with lappies its best not to skimp on the features you really want as they will just cost more later.
As the 7800 isnt really a "new " design of graphics card in that it doesnt really bring anything new architechturally to your system merely higher clock values and about 20 percent performance increase, the 7800 is more of a speed bump than an upgrade which I personally find hard to justify buying at such a high price for such a small amount of performance gain en lieu of the fact that there's nothing out there right now my 6800 go card cannot handle.
post #79 of 295
9/21/05 at 7:47pm
Ok, another stupid opinion here.

If the New video card will physically work in a 9300, Dell will offer it as an upgrade. Dell is a business, and businesses try to make money. Sure they might piss off a small amount of thier customer base(XPS2 owners who feel cheated) but they are still going to get your money, and the money from all the 9300 owners, which I am pretty sure out number the XPS2 owners by a good margin, who want the upgrade.
post #80 of 295
9/21/05 at 7:50pm
How is dell going to warrenty parts that are not supported by your system?
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