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post #21 of 183
9/26/05 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by shoman24v
But they don't compare OC to OC

If they did then the 7800GTX could apporach 8k leaving the 6800 go crying.
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post #22 of 183
9/26/05 at 3:52pm
very informative thanks
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post #23 of 183
9/26/05 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by DELL-Machina
This is where nvidia uses there marketing game to trick you. In one sheet they compare performance of the 7800 against the 6800 vanilla. This is obvious because the 6800 could only score in the 3000 range in 3dmarks05 but XPS2 owners know there 6800ultras go much longer in benchmarking. In another chart Nvidia then comapres the power requirements of the 7800 to that of the 6800 ultra. We can also conclude thermal requirements have increased if nvidia could not maintain the same core clockspeed compared to there previous generation king perforamnce card the 6800 Ultra.
How do we know they meant the 6800 Ultra? They make this big deal out of double the performance @ the same power. Well that simply doesnt even make since and is completely false if they are comparing it the 6800 ultra, and it is plainly written that they are comparing it to the 6800 not the ultra. Also why would it use the same power when the desktop versions use less power than the geforce 6800 ultra, not to mention it has a lower core frequency than the 6800 ultra, makes me think it shouldnt be using the same power of the 6800 ultra, which makes me think that the slides say exacly what they are supposed to.
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post #24 of 183
9/26/05 at 4:49pm
The desktop versions use less power yes, but only by a few watts I posted some graphs comparing the desktop ultra to the GTX and it's not anything to wet your pants about.

As for the 6800go Ultra power consumption vs the 7800go GTX power consumption, I cannot see it being as much as the 6800go, it really isn't possible. The faster something is the more power it will use not less. If that truly is the case the GTX has the power consumption of the 6800go you should expect a faster more power hungry version of the 7800go GTX since there would clearly there is a lot of head room for one.
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post #25 of 183
9/26/05 at 5:00pm
yeah but still doesnt the geforce 6800 ultra like 400 MHz, and the geforce 7800 gtx like 445 MHz, yet the GTX uses less power despite the higher clock frequency, even if it is only lik 7 or 8 watt's, so why would the notebook version use more power at a lower frequency than the geforce go 6800 ultra? still doesnt make since to me.
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post #26 of 183
9/26/05 at 5:01pm
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One thing you are also forgeting when comparing desktop to mobile counterparts is that the Mobile ultra is only a 12 pipline card running at reduced clock speeds compared to the desktop counterpart. As shoman points out mobile parts are intentially reduced in speed to compensate for the fact that laptops cant supply meating 400+ powersupplies and provide adequate active cooling.
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post #27 of 183
9/26/05 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by exabytehd
yeah but still doesnt the geforce 6800 ultra like 400 MHz, and the geforce 7800 gtx like 445 MHz, yet the GTX uses less power despite the higher clock frequency, even if it is only lik 7 or 8 watt's, so why would the notebook version use more power at a lower frequency than the geforce go 6800 ultra? still doesnt make since to me.
Negative,

7800GTX 400/1100

6800 Ultra 450/1100 << suppose to be damn dell. Ha fixed that problem

Lower clocks = less power. More pipes = faster card, more pipes allows them to lower the overall core speed.
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post #28 of 183
9/26/05 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by shoman24v
Negative,

7800GTX 400/1100

6800 Ultra 450/1100 << suppose to be damn dell. Ha fixed that problem

Lower clocks = less power. More pipes = faster card, more pipes allows them to lower the overall core speed.
you sure on those numbers? I am comming up with
450 Mhz for the GTX:
http://www.buyxg.com/store/item.asp?key=VC-147-102

and 400 for the Ultra:
http://www.buyxg.com/store/item.asp?key=VC-129-137

When i gave those numbers I was talking about the desktop versions showing less power on higher frequency GPU, and the laptop is the oppisite, being that the geforce go 6800 ultra is the higher frequency card...
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post #29 of 183
9/26/05 at 5:30pm
so there might be the chance for a i9300 7800gtx combo?
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post #30 of 183
9/26/05 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by Vin1
so there might be the chance for a i9300 7800gtx combo?
I still stand by my previous prediction:
http://www.notebookforums.com/showpo...&postcount=203
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Originally Posted by DaddyOf2Girls
I think there WILL be 2 new cards available on future systems as well as a Dell Upgrade for current owners.

1. Go7800 direct upgrade of the go6800. 3dMark05 ~= 4500 (stock) for the 9300.
2. Go7800 GTX direct upgrade of the go6800 Ultra 3dMark05 ~= 6600 (stock) for the XPS2.

This prediction is based in part on the fact(Edit: Assumption) that there will be a new Generation of all nVidia cards.
Example:
go6600 to the go7600
go6200 to the go7200
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post #31 of 183
9/26/05 at 5:41pm
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Originally Posted by exabytehd
you sure on those numbers? I am comming up with
450 Mhz for the GTX:
http://www.buyxg.com/store/item.asp?key=VC-147-102

and 400 for the Ultra:
http://www.buyxg.com/store/item.asp?key=VC-129-137

When i gave those numbers I was talking about the desktop versions showing less power on higher frequency GPU, and the laptop is the oppisite, being that the geforce go 6800 ultra is the higher frequency card...
Each manufactuer can decide on there own clock speeds when they produce cards for there systems. Dell is a very large user of this rule as we can see with the 6800vs6800U clock speeds especially when comparing the clockspeed with othe rnotebook brands. Just so you know the Ultra desktop Ver eats way more juice than dells laptop version.
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post #32 of 183
9/27/05 at 12:44am
Thats a nice post though Ive heard there will be a 7800 go card for the 9300 afterall dell sold more of these systems, would make sense to make money on an upgrade since everyone seems to be dying to have one.

Also you should have pointed out that these new m170 and m140 systems are part of the soo called "lexus" line, they are on a tier above the xps/inpsiron line and as such will carry a higher price tag though they are supposed to have state side special customer support. It is unlikely that any coupons will be available anytime soon for these lexus line systems.
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post #33 of 183
9/27/05 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by shoman24v
As for the 6800go Ultra power consumption vs the 7800go GTX power consumption, I cannot see it being as much as the 6800go, it really isn't possible. The faster something is the more power it will use not less.
I believe it is possible. Just because something is faster, that doesn't mean it necessarily requires more electrical power. While it may be a good rule of thumb, different designs have different efficiencies.
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post #34 of 183
9/27/05 at 1:15am
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Originally Posted by Cutters
Thats a nice post though Ive heard there will be a 7800 go card for the 9300 afterall dell sold more of these systems, would make sense to make money on an upgrade since everyone seems to be dying to have one.

Also you should have pointed out that these new m170 and m140 systems are part of the soo called "lexus" line, they are on a tier above the xps/inpsiron line and as such will carry a higher price tag though they are supposed to have state side special customer support. It is unlikely that any coupons will be available anytime soon for these lexus line systems.
It is doubtful that even 1 in ten 9300 owners even know what video card they have and would laugh at an offer to upgrade for several hundred dollars. Where did you "hear" that it would be made available?

As to the "lexus" line, rumors abound but hard facts are scarce. It seems more likely that we will see lexus coupons than that dell will see anyone pay 5 grand for one.
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post #35 of 183
9/27/05 at 2:34pm
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As i point out in my first paragraph that this may very well be mostly speculation UNTIL the 29th when we get solid hard info. As for someone making a point on upgrading the 7800 in the 9300 is not profitably feasable for Dell. There is a long discussion regarding how dell should handle upgrades and how the 9100 fared with the whole "having the same videocard as the uber gaming rig" did and becuase of this you can see how dell handled the 9300/xps2 situation.
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post #36 of 183
9/27/05 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by shoman24v
Negative,

7800GTX 400/1100

6800 Ultra 450/1100 << suppose to be damn dell. Ha fixed that problem

Lower clocks = less power. More pipes = faster card, more pipes allows them to lower the overall core speed.
Mobile Clocks
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post #37 of 183
9/27/05 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by shoman24v
They ment 6800Ultra.
i would expect dell to screw something like this up, but not nvidia. on the destkop, doesnt the 7800 use less power than the 6800?
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post #38 of 183
9/27/05 at 9:35pm
so... this might be a dumb question. but i just ordered a dell xps 2 for 1800, and recieving it tommorow... with the new product coming out, should i just resell mine on ebay for some profit, and wait for the new xps to come out?
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post #39 of 183
9/28/05 at 1:29am
No. Just stick with your new XPS.
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post #40 of 183
9/28/05 at 3:34am
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Yeah more than likely i can see an upgrade path for us current XPS2 users from an official standpoint.
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