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WHen are the next line of Inspiron coming out? I read that the next Yonah chip will have like 6 hours battery life....Iam glad i never got the Inspiron this year, Because iam going to wait....Iam using my sisters powerbook for tight now so iam good. I will wait for the Yonah chip for sure.

SAN FRANCISCO--Yonah, a notebook chip coming from Intel in the first part of next year, is going to be a lot different than its predecessors, company executives say.

The chip, which will be made on the 65-nanometer process, will come with a number of enhancements over the current Pentium M line of notebook chips, Mooly Eden, vice president of the mobility group, said at a briefing here.

For one thing, it will contain two cores, instead of the single core on current notebook chips. The two separate cores will also share a 2MB cache. Current dual-core desktop chips from Advanced Micro Devices and Intel come with similar sized caches, but each core accesses only 1MB of cache memory dedicated to it. Sharing the cache will significantly boost performance. (The chips communicate with the cache through a single bus embedded in the chip.)

"When I speak of dual cores, I am not talking about a 10 percent to 20 percent improvement in performance. I am speaking about something crazy," Eden said.

A single-core version of Yonah will also come out for budget notebooks.

Notebooks have become a significant profit center for Intel. In 1999, notebook processors accounted for about 17 percent of Intel's output. In the first quarter of this year, notebook chips accounted for 30 percent of the output, and the figure is expected to rise to about 33 percent next year. In the first quarter, notebook sales in U.S. retail, a small, yet significant subsegment of the overall PC market, passed sales of desktops for the first time.

Yonah will come with improved technology for curbing power consumption and heat dissipation. It will also sport features currently found on desktops to enhance security.

Partly because of reduced power consumption, the footprint on Yonah notebooks will be up to 31 percent smaller than those of existing notebooks. By 2008, Intel's goal is to reduce power consumption in notebooks overall to the point where machines can run for eight hours on a single battery charge.








Previous Next One thing Yonah won't have, at least initially, is the ability to run 64-bit applications.

"We made a conscious decision not to include it" because of the impact on battery life, Eden said.

Intel said it will release a 64-bit chip for notebooks when the market "requires" it. What "requires" means is a source of debate. Longhorn, the next big OS release from Microsoft, is a 64-bit operating system. It comes out in late 2006. Rival AMD is making 64-bit notebook chips for that eventuality. Having a similar chip would allow Intel to blunt any gains by AMD.

On the other hand, Eden said that actual demand for 64-bit computing is actually sort of low. "It may take many years for enterprises to demand it," he said.

Yonah will also contain more transistors--151.6 million--than the current Pentium M, which has about 140 million transistors. Still, because it will be produced on the more advanced 65-nanometer process, Yonah will be smaller and therefore cost less to produce. "The margins will be great because it is a tiny product," Eden stated.

He further added that the Yonah chip has been in the works for years. "I believe we were designing it before anyone knew how to spell dual core," he said.

The chip will be paired with a chipset, called Calistoga, and a Wi-Fi module, called Golan, that will receive and send 802.11a, b and g. Later versions will come with 802.11n, the so-called MIMO technology. Wimax will start to be added in notebooks as an option around 2007, a spokesman said
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If it is more than 10-20% improvement I will throw all my computers away and buy it.
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right

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If it is more than 10-20% improvement I will throw all my computers away and buy it.
My experience with multiprocessor workstation systems has been 40-70% boost from 2nd cpu and declining boosts for each pair of CPU's past 2. Around 4 processors you hit the point of diminishing returns on most multithreaded single apps. I have yet to see a game that really benefited from multiple cpu's. [This is workstation, not server environments or masssive 128way database servers].

The main problem is that some apps see no improvement with more processors, but benefit more from faster processors. If dual core means being limited to 2-2.5Ghz then many apps are not going to see any difference from today's single core processors.

Of course if the pricing is right....a dual core today for the same price, or less, as a single core last year, then you are getting the second cpu for "free" then its a no brainer to get dual core.
post #5 of 15
what kind of apps are you seeing the 40-70% on?
is it when you are running many apps at once and is it compared to a hyperthreaded chip or the old p4s?
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anandtech has posted that these will be arriving in January.
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January ?
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long time SMP user

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what kind of apps are you seeing the 40-70% on?
is it when you are running many apps at once and is it compared to a hyperthreaded chip or the old p4s?
Mostly I see 70% improvement in system performance, multitasking. Very few apps I have seen, especially general consumer type apps, see any improvement from multi-cpu setups. Example, MS Word sees zero change, but running word, excel, and outlook at the same time is faster. Compiling sees a big improvement with more cpu's if you can configure the compiler to fire off multiple threads.
post #9 of 15
Yonah and its higher end brothers are definitely going to be interesting procs to watch out. Apparently they are going to be loads more powerful in multimedia and cpu intensive apps than the current Pentium-Ms.
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It will be some time before dual cores really become a "must have" these cores often dont peform any better than a similar rated single core processor and ofcourse as yet, there is no hardware/software to take advantage of the presence of two cores, kind of like 64 bit has been and will be up until vista hits the stores, its there and nice to have but not really doing anything it was designed for. Kinda like having a race car, and no track to drive it on.
post #11 of 15

50w

I've seen several references to the Yonah dual cores having a 50w TDP, almost twice as much as current Pentium M's which could put a damper on them in thin and light laptops. I wonder if Intel is planning to make updated single core .65 micron chips?

Basically, if performance is up to snuff, I dont care if its single or dual processor. I'm more interested in seeing 7800go quality GPU's in "thin and light" class 15.4" laptops than I am in dual core processors (sorry intel). I'd love to see Intel buy Nvidia or ATI and merge the GPU and Pentium M into a single, socketable, user upgradeable laptop cpu.
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I'd love to see Intel buy Nvidia or ATI and merge the GPU and Pentium M into a single, socketable, user upgradeable laptop cpu.
Not a good idea my friend, as that would kill the market, stiffle innovation and lets the end user lose out. The more competition there is the better.

Intel wont have any dreams like that soon as they allready dominate the Graphics sales market by over 40% or more with thier own budget gfx chipsets.

KW
post #13 of 15
Yeah katorga what you are talking about will kill innovation and we will end up losers. Intel's Yonah will be released as single and dual core versions and lets not forget Conroe and Merom. I personally dont care much about thin and light because their applications are very limited...they only look 'cool' until the moment comes for some serious horsepower.

As for your comment about merging the Pentium M with a GPU, I really hope you are not being serious! CPUs and GPUs are inherently completely different by design! By merging I hope you meant companies merging together and not the processors themselves!! GPUs are massively parallel architectures! If the GPU ran Windows XP it would prob not run and even if it somehow ran the code it would be highly inefficient as hell because Windows code is not parallelized in anyway!

There is no way that mobile 7800 GTXs will run in thin and light laptops for a while! You can keep shrinking and using smaller nm processes but the leakage still remains. Until a revolutionary lithographical technology comes out we are kind of stuck.

In the meantime AMD is working on a brand new architecture that will compete with the Yonah, Conroe and Merom architectures. The next few years are going to be interesting indeed...for the high end segment...not so much for the thin and light.
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Originally Posted by suryad

Until a revolutionary lithographical technology comes out we are kind of stuck.
Just out of curiousity, how does lithography reduce the leakage current?
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I think better substrate on which the circuits are printed, lesser space between the gates, different semiconductor materials used and so on. I have been doing a bit of light reading on it from various hardware sites and right now it is beyond me! I read something about the low k dielectric process or something but I am really not quite sure. I think a search on google would be more reliable than asking me haha.
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