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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Greetings all,

Please enlighten me:

Purhcase of new laptop tomorrow has been narrowed down to either the Gateway MX7515 or the HP ZD8120cl. I am purchasing tomorrow morning.

I have read reviews and opinions for the last two days and I am still torn....

This will be a desktop replacement system - size is really not that much of an issue with me.

I want to be able to do my normal at home stuff and also teach with the thing using video heavy Power Point presentations.

The primary benchmark for my decision is which computer will be able to play Battlefield 2 the best.

As I see it so far:

The AMD 64 bit processor is better than the P4 3.0 GHZ.

They both have a Gig of RAM.

I have now discovered that the graphics card in the MX7515 is not an actual 128MB card - it is 64MB with 64MB of shared video memory. The graphics card in the ZD8000 is an actual 128MB card.

The price difference is $150.00 - the HP is more expensive.

Those of you in the know: Please help!

I am reading a lot of reviews from people that are loyal to the AMD 64bit processor and to Gateway that say the MX7515 is a good machine - but now I am getting the sense that the graphics card in the Gateway is a POS?

Heat and size issues aside, I am now leaning towards the HP......

If you physically went into a BestBuy today to purchase a laptop for playing Battlefield 2 - which model would you get?



No Mas.....

Thanks!
post #2 of 25
Be aware that the Gateway MX7515 is now off sale at BB and has returned to $1449.
post #3 of 25
Well, I'll do my best to present the case as I see it. I don't have the current Gateway, but I have the 7422GX and I'm impressed with it. I have no experience at all with the HP model you mentioned, nor have I done the research you have.

If it were me, and it came down to a Gateway vs. a similar HP, I'd take the Gateway every time.

Out of all the PCs I've ever worked on, only the now extinct IBM Craptiva series has historically given me more trouble than ANY computer from HP. Things that should be simple are made unbelievably difficult due to HP's processes. They throw up every idiotic roadblock imaginable to every little thing. It's difficult to be more specific than this, but every time I get called to service an HP, whether it be software or hardware related, I automatically double the time on the estimate. Sometimes I get lucky and can get it fixed quickly, but my estimates are usually spot on. Gateway isn't perfect by any stretch, but I don't have nearly the same troubles with them.

Also, I've been catching interviews of the CEOs of both companies. Gateway's has been around for a bit, HP's CEO is really new. I really like the attitude and planned direction of the Gateway CEO. He wants to undo the problems that started Gateway's downward spiral and kept them down for so long.

HP's old CEO had the attitude to increase profits by increasing the value of the product. I liked her attitude, but never really saw any fruits from it. HP sucked about as bad when she was fired as it sucked when she started. Investors didn't like her attitude, as it went along the lines of "you have to spend money to make money". Investors are generally stupid people that think that money should just magically appear, and if it doesn't then some executive has to be blamed. The replacement CEO is more to their liking. He walked in flapping his gums about a bunch of stupid rhetoric, but the only thing he's actually done to date is layoff 1/3 of HP's workforce. Other than that, his only value would appear if you wanted to raise the ambient temperature of a room without buying heating equipment. I haven't seen exactly how the layoffs were enacted across the company, but given examples set by other retarded CEOs like this, it's a safe bet that no senior executives or management was lost. That means the layoffs mostly affected the people who actually produce. The people who are building the computer you buy will have lost one of every three people in their department, but of course they're expected to build the same number as before. The people you call for help will have to answer the same number of calls they did before every third cubicle was emptied. The people who will have to repair your laptop if you send it in under warranty will be expected to repair the same amount as they did before 1/3 of the repair team was sent to the unemployment line. These people probably all consider themselves to be overworked, underpaid, and rushed to get finished. Whether they or the CEO is right is completely irrelevant. These aren't the type of people I want to purchase something from that I need to be reliable.

To continue that thought, nothing breeds success like success. By reducing their workforce by 1/3, HP WILL make more money, in the short-term at least. When HP starts losing money again because people are tired of the shoddy work and move to other vendors, HP's response will no doubt be to lay some more people off. Employees know this, and they also know how management thinks. Among the first people to be laid off will be some of the more talented workers. To give you an example, when I took my first IT job in a call center, I was assigned to "shadow" their "best" employee. I was listening to him take a call from a client who called in and said she was running really low on disk space. Without batting an eye, he told her to defragment her hard drive. I was thinking, if this is the best person here, I'm going to be running this center in a week! I looked at him and told him that was the single most ignorant answer I'd ever heard. His response? "Yeah, I know. But they don't pay us to work well, they pay us to work fast." Unfortunately, my sense of ethics never allowed me to work that way. During my short tenure there, I permanently fixed more problems than any of my co-workers and quickly became known as the "go-to" man for tough issues, but I spent a great deal of time being talked to by my supervisor about my poor attitude and why my work level would never allow me to be promoted if I didn't shape up. That was the only job I've ever had that I just flat walked out on. It didn't take long to figure out that it was the call center mentality, and very few other call centers treat their employees any differently.

So, with that in mind, and HP already having gone through some layoffs, you can bet their best talent is looking for other jobs or already gone. Any really rotten workers left over will go in the next round of layoffs, as will any remaining people who work "well, but slow". That's going to leave you with a ton of mediocrity across the board.

With HP's past as a backdrop, and their future looking quite dim indeed, it's a brand I think you should think strongly about before buying. I don't possess any clairvoyant abilities, so I could well be wrong, but my money isn't going into any HP coffers any time soon, and we are moving our primary printer recommendations from HP to Brother and Dell.

As for the video in the Gateway unit, all I can tell you is that I have been pleasantly surprised by the MR9550 in my 7422GX, as I was with the MR9600 in the m6809 I bought last year. It isn't much on synthetic benchmarks, but it holds up remarkably well in games, and I never overclock. I don't know what to tell you to expect with yours, but mine does a lot more than I ever thought it could.
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
Andevian,

Thanks - for a second there I thought I had posted in the Wall Street Journal forum...... Appreciate the reply though. I have had the opposite experience:

1st big desktop purchase several years ago was a Gateway..... Customer service and support and comp reliability was absolutely a nightmare.

HP laptop I have been running for the last three years has been trouble free and customer support has been as one should expect. Maybe I just got lucky.

MX7515 just went up to 1349.99 at my local BB - hence the 150 difference.

Still looking for opinions on BB/circuit city/sams club walk in and purchase laptop that is good for running BF2 really well.......

Thanks.
post #5 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by boltgun88
1st big desktop purchase several years ago was a Gateway..... Customer service and support and comp reliability was absolutely a nightmare.

HP laptop I have been running for the last three years has been trouble free and customer support has been as one should expect. Maybe I just got lucky.
It's actually not as opposite as you might think. There was a stretch of years I would have counseled against Gateway as strongly as I am currently counseling against HP. It just seems to me that the current CEOs are working to reverse the past, one for the better, one for the worse. Until the last several months, it was my opinion that HP produced fairly solid hardware with pathetic software to manage it. Recently, even before Fiorina was replaced, I was losing faith in the hardware as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by boltgun88
Still looking for opinions on BB/circuit city/sams club walk in and purchase laptop that is good for running BF2 really well.......
I hope someone can help you with that, I haven't even played this game yet
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
Anthean - I stand corrected - they have gone up to 1449...... It doesnt look like such a hard decision after all...........

Andevian - I hear ya and agree........ I just don't know if I can look past the 64MB of shared video memory........
post #7 of 25
lol all these replies and nothing about the topic at hand

I've got BF2 on my 7422gx (with its 64MB 9600), and it runs well. ive got my settings on medium IIRC, or some of them on high. it's been a while, but i got them tweaked so they look good and move fast.

be weary tho, theres no native setting for widescreen in BF2. ive got my shortcut under a command line setting to force it to 1280x800, but i still have the feeling it might be stretching (havent had a chance to check this yet)

and the 7515 spanks the ZD8120CL
post #8 of 25
I have had very similar experiences as Andevian with HP. HP/Compaq are the second most problematic machines I get (and most problematic notebook), from a hardware perspective.

Side note: You do NOT want a P4 in a notebook unless you will be leaving it plugged in and on a cool pad all the time.

Side note #2: use Anaconda's experieces as a good judgement as to the machines ability. The 7515 should perform even better than his with the upgraded GPU.
post #9 of 25
Thread Starter 
Anaconda and Thunder,

Thank you - I really appreciate the info. I guess for me it has been a case of looking at the numbers [128MB dedicated video or 128MB shared] that is giving me the cold feet here...... I have zero experience with the AMD processors - but I am assuming that the 64 bit processor takes up the slack of the video card?
post #10 of 25
its an older vidoe card (128MB 9600) in the HP. the gateway has a x600 (64MB+64HM)

HyperMemory isnt like old-fashioned shared memory. HyperMemory is fast and operates on the PCI-e bus, not like shared memory in older notebook video cards. HyperMemory grabbed RAM will operate as fast as the RAM on the video card.

and the AMD creams the P4 in that HP. the 7515 has a 4000+, which is considerably more powerful then the 3GhZ P4
post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 
Dude,

Thanks again for explaining this out for me. These are the first really definitive responses that I have gotten about all this. I guess tomorrow morning I will be getting the 7515 and hopefully - finally getting to play BF2. Now I just gotta get the PD to spring for a Palm Zire 72 or an IPAQ to take reports on........
post #12 of 25
BB puts this model on sale every now and then. If you can wait a month . . .
post #13 of 25
The 4000+ doesn't just cream the P4, it is the single fastest processor you can get in a laptop.

Like, period. Until the Athlon X2's come out.
post #14 of 25
Thread Starter 
I would have posted earlier, but I have been doing a decent imitation of a total computer nerd playing Battlefield 2 on my shiny new MX7515........... Thanks to all - this thing is pretty stinkin cool........
post #15 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by boltgun88
I would have posted earlier, but I have been doing a decent imitation of a total computer nerd playing Battlefield 2 on my shiny new MX7515........... Thanks to all - this thing is pretty stinkin cool........
see we told you
post #16 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by boltgun88
... I have been doing a decent imitation of a total computer nerd playing Battlefield 2 ...
Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Of course you can stay at one now, and still play BF2 on your shiny new machine
post #17 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunder_PC
Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Of course you can stay at one now, and still play BF2 on your shiny new machine
...wahts Holiday Inn have do do with it
post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 
You don't watch much television do you Anaconda? He is referencing a commercial for Holiday Inn Express....... Kinda a pun on spontaneous intelligence coupled with another pun on the mobility of the laptop........

I don't know how I ever even considered the HP in all this......... This processor is scary fast........
post #19 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by boltgun88
You don't watch much television do you Anaconda? He is referencing a commercial for Holiday Inn Express....... Kinda a pun on spontaneous intelligence coupled with another pun on the mobility of the laptop........

I don't know how I ever even considered the HP in all this......... This processor is scary fast........
nope i dont watch much TV. not really anything on that I want to watch

and as such I miss commercials, liek that one and the Burger King ones with the King
post #20 of 25
Just wanted to mention that this machine is again on sale for $1199 at Best Buy.
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