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9880 Can Upgrade Really?

post #1 of 83
10/10/05 at 3:28am
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Can someone tell me finally,the 7800go gtx can or can't be installed in the 9880 without any other change (i mean new revision of mobo)?And if someone knows what is the critical update in mobos that made the new GPU to installed?I don't understant why can't change the gpu's in this really desctop laptop so easally like the real desctop.OK first,to change the 6800go to ultra was the power , but know the power in 9880 was enough to drive all the gpu's ,WHAT KNOW AGAIN?
I think it's honest for all OEM partners of Clevo to tell us the truth about the new revisions of mobos and what are the changes are made.All of you guys who had and you will buy the D900T the critical point was the gpu,if the gpu wasn't
upgreatable maby i said maby you don't buy this model but something else.If everytime which new gpu come in market for D900T,WE NEED and new mobo or something else,then it's illegaly to write in the sites of all oem partners of clevo,that the laptop has upgreatable gpu,and everyone of us can demand our money.I'm very ugry with that issue and i think a few of you.Please write your opinion.
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post #2 of 83
10/10/05 at 3:56am
Well. I don't think Clevo makes the MoBo's (but could be wrong), but even if they did, they didn't make the GPU's. I'm sure whoever manufactured the MoBo's made them according to the GPU makers specifications at the time.

I still would have bought a 9880 even if I knew before hand that the GPU wouldn't be easily upgradeable. This is the way consumer electronics work. Google Moore's Law.
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post #3 of 83
10/11/05 at 1:23pm
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post #4 of 83
10/11/05 at 1:28pm
The answer is no my friend you need the 6.1x mobo to put the 7800 gtx in unfortunately this mobo isnt released yet so no you cannot put it in your 9880 without upgrade unless you want to deal with the artifacting problems that Luke at PCTorque is dealing with with his test model.
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post #5 of 83
10/11/05 at 1:37pm
If you ask me, it's pretty damn lame that you have to upgrade your motherboard every time a new video card comes out.

I'd be pretty pissed.
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post #6 of 83
10/11/05 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by shoman24v
If you ask me, it's pretty damn lame that you have to upgrade your motherboard every time a new video card comes out.

I'd be pretty pissed.
I'd feel the same way if I had a Dell and had to get the MoBo replaced for a GPU.... Think of that hell of dealing with Dell's customer service for THAT!
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post #7 of 83
10/11/05 at 5:30pm
well its not really anyones fault on this one. The people designing the original notebook set it up towork with the 6800 that was supplied to them and it did work. The interface does work the problem is the changing specs on the new video cards out there. the power draw has increased and required addressing and now there is a problem with the graphics of the 7800 when in prolonged use. I guess it would be ok for some to use it in short peroids but I for one play games for hours at a time. If you designed the original DTR would you have put a 220 watt powersupply in it when it ran fine with the 180 since no notebook to date had such a large power supply? maybe they should blame Nvidia for not following the original spec laid out for them. Since if the specs never changed the interface would have worked perfectly. or should we all just let the machine die like the alienware "upgradeable AGP" notebooks?
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post #8 of 83
10/11/05 at 7:58pm
If the 6800 Ultra and 7800GTX use the same power why is there a need for a mobo upgrade
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post #9 of 83
10/11/05 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by shoman24v
If the 6800 Ultra and 7800GTX use the same power why is there a need for a mobo upgrade
The cores use the same power, the additional working on the module itself pulls 5 watt more.
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post #10 of 83
10/11/05 at 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by Luke@PCTorque
The cores use the same power, the additional working on the module itself pulls 5 watt more.
Knowing that those 5 watts are what could potientally stop me from getting a 7800GTX would really piss me off.
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post #11 of 83
10/12/05 at 12:01pm
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In other words our laptops finaly CAN'T BE CALL THEM UPGREATABLE IN GPU.
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post #12 of 83
10/12/05 at 4:48pm
I believe Sager can be called an upgradable laptop. Let's look at a typical desktop 'upgrade'.

I recently upgraded one of my desktops to a new PCI-E GPU. Since it had an intel 865 mobo in it the new PCI-E card wouldn't work so I had to get a new 915 mobo. Also, the old 300 watt power supply wouldn't work either so I bought a 450 watt version that would supply power directly to the new video card.

When all was said and done I had replaced the video card, the mobo, and the power supply. Most people would consider that an upgrade. And that is exactly what Sager is now offering: a new mobo, GPU, and power supply. The only difference between the two is that I was able to do the desktop myself and I'd have to send my laptop in. <shrug>

As far as laptops go, that the mobo and GPU can be replaced with new versions at all is worthy of the title 'upgradable' since most laptops can't replace any parts, period, except with the same part from the same manufacturer. Try 'upgrading' a Viao, IBM, or Toshiba.

Though I don't think it's a misnomer to label Sager laptops as 'upgradable', it certainly wouldn't hurt Sager if they carefully pointed out that some GPU and CPU upgrades might require a new mobo. That might help avoid any hard feelings on the part of us customers.

But anyone who has upgraded desktops doen't expect that you will be able to replace GPUs and CPUs forever using the same mobo. When I wanted to upgrade to a HT P4 I had to replace my 845 mobo with an 865 mobo. And when I wanted to use a PCI-E video card I had to pgrade again to a 915 mobo. When I eventually migrate to a dual-core CPU I'll have to upgrade the mobo yet again. Complaining that the upgrade to the 7800 GPU requires a new mobo seems silly to me.

That said I think I'll wait a few months until the price on the 7800s drops a bit. Of course by then Sager may not want to give me $50 trade in on my old mobo since the demand for the 6800 and it's associated mobos will drop when the price for the 7800 drops.
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post #13 of 83
10/13/05 at 3:21am
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Originally Posted by BombBuster
I believe Sager can be called an upgradable laptop. Let's look at a typical desktop 'upgrade'.

I recently upgraded one of my desktops to a new PCI-E GPU. Since it had an intel 865 mobo in it the new PCI-E card wouldn't work so I had to get a new 915 mobo. Also, the old 300 watt power supply wouldn't work either so I bought a 450 watt version that would supply power directly to the new video card.

When all was said and done I had replaced the video card, the mobo, and the power supply. Most people would consider that an upgrade. And that is exactly what Sager is now offering: a new mobo, GPU, and power supply. The only difference between the two is that I was able to do the desktop myself and I'd have to send my laptop in. <shrug>

As far as laptops go, that the mobo and GPU can be replaced with new versions at all is worthy of the title 'upgradable' since most laptops can't replace any parts, period, except with the same part from the same manufacturer. Try 'upgrading' a Viao, IBM, or Toshiba.

Though I don't think it's a misnomer to label Sager laptops as 'upgradable', it certainly wouldn't hurt Sager if they carefully pointed out that some GPU and CPU upgrades might require a new mobo. That might help avoid any hard feelings on the part of us customers.

But anyone who has upgraded desktops doen't expect that you will be able to replace GPUs and CPUs forever using the same mobo. When I wanted to upgrade to a HT P4 I had to replace my 845 mobo with an 865 mobo. And when I wanted to use a PCI-E video card I ha9d to pgrade again to a 915 mobo. When I eventually migrate to a dual-core CPU I'll have to upgrade the mobo yet again. Complaining that the upgrade to the 7800 GPU requires a new mobo seems silly to me.

That said I think I'll wait a few months until the price on the 7800s drops a bit. Of course by then Sager may not want to give me $50 trade in on my old mobo since the demand for the 6800 and it's associated mobos will drop when the price for the 7800 drops.
If you have a desktop system with 6800 Ultra as you said, and you want to upgrade with 7800 gtx what else you must change to put it?I'll tell you what,NOTHING AT ALL.I choose Clevo D900T to have at least one upgrade gpu option without change the motherboard and without changes anything,i agree with you for other laptops but that's why i choose this.Did you saw the cost of upgrade from 6800go Ultra to 7800go gtx? 1000,00$!!!!!!!.Is that normally?I think our lapys was only truly upgrade in MOBOS and not in GPU.The real upgrade lapy doesn't came in the market yet,maby in the short future who knows.
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post #14 of 83
10/13/05 at 3:34am
Yeah, I saw that price too. WAY outta the question to upgrade, if you ask me. Just too expensive.

I could've swore that the upgrade that 9860 owners had to do to get the 9880/Ultra setup, cost them around $500?

Realizing that the 7800 is a more advanced card then the 6800, I could understand a bit more price but...DOUBLE!??!

...what's the deal here? I was planning on upgrading to the 7800 at some point in the not too distant future but, if that's the correct price...forget it. There just isn't enough performance increase to justifiy that price, in MY humble opinion.
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post #15 of 83
10/13/05 at 9:28am
Actually the Dell XPS can get the 7800 w/o a mobo upgrade, so there is an upgradable notenook.

But lets look at it another way, even with a mobo upgrade required, it wasn't that long ago that you had no option at all to do an upgrade like this. It is a new feature and hopefully in the future Sager will see what has happened here and try to plan ahead for the future power needs of GPUs.

My personal thinking in the Dell is that they lucked out and the reduced power needs of the processor got them in under the line for the 7800 with their current design. I would expect to see them needing a mobo upgrade for the next series of Nvidia cards.
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post #16 of 83
10/13/05 at 10:52am
Yeah the new M170 (laptop that comes with 7800Go GTX) bios work on the 9300 for christ sakes! The XPS and 9300 are the same machines just bios limited (that's been solved).

I think Sager is Pulling a fast one, Take out one CD Drive and one HD and you got yourself those extra 5 watts back. Sure the Sager is 'upgradeable' but you need a new mobo too.

Someone on the dell forum is buying an M710 and is going to see if the 7800 fits in the older XPS Gen 2.
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post #17 of 83
10/13/05 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by shoman24v
Yeah the new M170 (laptop that comes with 7800Go GTX) bios work on the 9300 for christ sakes! The XPS and 9300 are the same machines just bios limited (that's been solved).

I think Sager is Pulling a fast one, Take out one CD Drive and one HD and you got yourself those extra 5 watts back. Sure the Sager is 'upgradeable' but you need a new mobo too.

Someone on the dell forum is buying an M710 and is going to see if the 7800 fits in the older XPS Gen 2.
If you will note the ACA did not go up in power requirements, so it is not a matter of the system not haveing additional power to send to the Video card. The motherboard is not able to provide that much power to the GPU currently, it's not that the power is not present, but rather the motherboard can not handle it in its current state.

Sager pulling a fast one ... Do you honestly think Sager would require this if it was not necessary? Force an un-needed upgrade on customers would purn them, as has been proven in the past a large portion of the Sager crowd is very tech savy and would hang Sager for trying something along those lines.
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post #18 of 83
10/13/05 at 12:19pm
Hey Luke,
Have you noticed an overall temperature reduction with the new GPU (7800), or perhaps with the new models that Sager is putting out (with D900T chassis)?
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post #19 of 83
10/13/05 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Trekkminster
Hey Luke,
Have you noticed an overall temperature reduction with the new GPU (7800), or perhaps with the new models that Sager is putting out (with D900T chassis)?
I do not really bother to monitor my temps unless I am haveing problems. However I have not noticed a rise in temp on my palm rest between the 7800 and the ultra.
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post #20 of 83
10/14/05 at 6:34am
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Hey guys,
i was thinking maby the ATI in the new upcoming mobility 1800 will upgrade the 9880 without any changes,i said maby but if the ATI make such a think then 7800go gtx go to HELL.
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