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post #21 of 83
10/16/05 at 6:13am
My Alienware is upgradable if you upgrade the power adapter as well. I recently went from a 6800 Nvida GOFX to an 6800 Nvida GO FX Ultra and the ultra needs +30w to operate.
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post #22 of 83
10/16/05 at 11:22am
yea its the same notebok
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post #23 of 83
10/16/05 at 3:35pm
ok, so my motherboard (on my 9880) crapped out about 2 weeks ago, and was replaced by sager..... would it have been replaced with the new mobo or the old one? and if i dont need the mobo upgrade, is the price of the graphics card upgrade any lower?

also, does anyone know when the next newest, bestest, have-to-have, graphics card is coming out, and if the 9880 will be able to upgrade to it? as in, should i pass the 7800 and wait?
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post #24 of 83
10/16/05 at 3:52pm
I believe Luke has mentioned that Sager has not gotten the 6.x motherboards until just recently. So you probably have a 5.x. He had a post on the forums that told you to look for a sticker under your memory to find the version #
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post #25 of 83
10/16/05 at 3:57pm
would it be on the bottom of the notebook, or inside somewhere?
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post #26 of 83
10/17/05 at 3:55am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by zbowling
My Alienware is upgradable if you upgrade the power adapter as well. I recently went from a 6800 Nvida GOFX to an 6800 Nvida GO FX Ultra and the ultra needs +30w to operate.
What do you mean friend about the power adapter and where did you find this adapter?
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post #27 of 83
10/17/05 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by Luke@PCTorque
Sager pulling a fast one ... Do you honestly think Sager would require this if it was not necessary?
Erm..... that rebuttal would be more credible if Sager wasn't requiring 9880 customers to buy a new ACA that they don't need if they want to upgrade to the 7800

Seriously though, I don't think Sager is trying to pull a fast one but I could see how making customers buy a part they don't need (like the afore-mentioned ACA) might hurt Sager's credibility.
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post #28 of 83
10/17/05 at 10:46am
$995 bucks for a new 7800 and mobo? Right.

With Dell you do not need a mobo upgrade to go from the 6800go Ultra to the 7800go GTX. I'm not bashing, I just think that's like screwing the customer over. Didn't the Sager mobo manuf. over engineer the motherboard just incase something new down the line required more power?
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post #29 of 83
10/18/05 at 10:46pm
Yes not making a buffer for possible future upgrades negates the point of even having a Upgradeable GPU. I mean of they could scale the motherboards to accept a range of cpu's all with different power consumption, then why was it/is it so hard to do the same with the GPU's

I first purchased my 9860 when it was released last year Nov, but when I saw that you needed a new mobo revision for a 6800Ultra version I sold that lappy real quick (really do miss it) as it was a sign of what was to come.
The constant Mobo changes ect just to accept a new GPU is a big inconvenience to the consumer, and I think Sager and any other Clevo stockist should make the point clear that You will possibly have to replace
%50 of your notebok to get a next "Gen" GPU and not state that the notebook is upgradeable when it is actually more like a total Rebuild of the unit.

KW
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post #30 of 83
10/18/05 at 11:38pm
i have the 9860, and if i were to get the mobo rev for 7800 gpu, would this upgrade (mobo rev) carry on to the next gpu upgrade?
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post #31 of 83
10/19/05 at 12:04am
There is a pattern here
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post #32 of 83
10/19/05 at 5:19am
No point bashing Clevo/Sager when the fault lies with ATI/Nvidia for not keeping their respective cards within the agreed power/heat envelopes!
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post #33 of 83
10/19/05 at 12:50pm
I agree.
And with that being said, is there perhaps something from ATI that is better than the 6800 Ultra but still useable for those of us that have opted for the Nvidia? IE, just take out the 6800 and put in a faster ATI or are the ATI offerings doing the same as Nvidia, requiring a new mobo.?
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post #34 of 83
10/20/05 at 2:48pm
The X800 XT is about 8% faster than the 6800Ultra but I believe it also requires a bigger AC adaptor and a MB revision for us poor people with the old 6800's and X800's?

I don't think we have an option but to pay for the MB revision and the bigger AC adaptor if we want to upgrade.
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post #35 of 83
10/20/05 at 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by NotebookBill
What do you mean friend about the power adapter and where did you find this adapter?
Alienware sent it to me. Its the 230-240 watt instead of the 190-200 watt version. Just call sales or customer care and you can order one.
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post #36 of 83
10/21/05 at 2:00am
Question and answer time:

1. Can my 9880(or AW7700 or Hypersonic EX7 or ANY OTHER D900T!!!!) w/ a 5.3 MB revision or lower upgrade to the 7800GTX.
NO! The 7800GTX requires MB version 6.1 or greater. Failure to upgrade to this can and will cause harm to your system as I have demonstrated. This is the Same for every Clevo vendor no exceptions.

2. Does my Clevo vendor do something special to my motherboard?
No. I do not know of any Clevo vendors that possess the necessary skill to:
a. Engineer a design for a new board.
b. Implement such a design.
However some Clevo vendors do minor upgrades to motherboards per Clevo spec such as the 6800 to 6800 Ultra upgrade.

3. Can I upgrade to a future GPU without this upgrade or will this upgrade ensure user upgradeability in the future.
Who knows! Without the card being finished and in the hands of Clevo and has been tested... we will not know until they are here.


Did i miss anything?
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post #37 of 83
10/21/05 at 2:36am
just my .02...

I spent $4300 on a 9860 last November. In justifying this expense I told myself that it was upgradeable and therefore would not become "obsolete" as faster hardware became available. I was under the assumption that when bigger, better, faster came out, I could just drop it into my 9860 and that would be that. Now as it turns out, it is not quite that simple or even to some, financially possible. To tell me in one sentence that the unit is upgradeable and then down the line tell me that upgrades are close to a grand is somewhat misleading in my opinion. I don't fault PCT for this because in my eyes the sun rises and sets with them. I feel that the fault lies with Clevo and either their rush to put out bigger, better, faster or their short-sightedness when it comes to future upgrades and the cost of these upgrades. If a lot of us had known at the time of purchase that upgrades were going to be so costly, it might have made some difference in whatever we decided to buy.

Just my .02...
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post #38 of 83
10/21/05 at 3:08am
I think it is ATI and Nvidia's fault not Clevo. They are the ones that make the GPU's. What Clevo should do is complain to the them over the difference's in requirements. Luke already stated many times that Clevo has no control over what ATI or Nvidia produce. I think the only blame Clevo should take is not forcing them to make the cards backwards compatible.
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post #39 of 83
10/21/05 at 3:08am
I don't see the problem people. Sager/Clevo said that the Laptop would be "upgradeable", correct? I don't believe it says anything about the upgrade being FREE.

As always "Caveat Emptor".
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post #40 of 83
10/21/05 at 3:15am
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Originally Posted by HellHawk
I don't see the problem people. Sager/Clevo said that the Laptop would be "upgradeable", correct? I don't believe it says anything about the upgrade being FREE.

As always "Caveat Emptor".
Never said or thought the upgrades would be free. I understand perfectly that Clevo, ATi and Nvidia are in business to make money. However $1000 for a friggin video card seems a bit much, even to me and I've been known to throw away money.
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