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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
I wanted a slightly bigger screen than 15.4 since I do a lot with photoshop as well as digital recording.

I got to look at 17 inch screen laptops and it just seems to big as this laptop I will be transporting it a lot as well as using it on my lap.

I was ready to get the dell inspiron 9300 until I realized just how big the 17 inch is. But I do prefer a larger screen when doing what i need to do.

Now I am looking into sager notebooks. I just heard about them from this website.

My question is..the sager one I am looking at (3880) only comes in a 15.4 screen which is fine. If I hook up an external monitor to this- what exactly is displayed??

If the programs on the 15.4 monitor is squished up and barely fitting- will a mirror image of that be produced on the larger external monitor as well?

Is there a way to have a more viewable space on an external monitor rather than a magnified mirror image? Or should I just stick with the Dell 9300 for the 17 inch screen? Another thing about the dell I liked were the speakers in the front, so that when the laptop was closed you could still hear the sound perfect but I do own some external speakers I could use instead on the sager(And the 9300 had a tv tuner, though I believe there is such a thing as LCD HDTV monitors which I assume laptops can hook up to and I could use that for my external monitor as well as having it for HDTV..or, do I need a laptop with a tv tuner in order to view TV on a HDTV LCD screen? No right cos they already have built in TV tuners?)

But it seems sager is pretty good esp with customer support. Dell has terrible cust support usually. So.. I am now leaning towards sager but would like to know what exactly is displayed on the external monitor. Anyone know or have experience with using an external monitor on a laptop? Thanks.
post #2 of 18
It doesn't have to be an exact mirror image. When you connect an external monitor, you can change your resolution to what is supported for that monitor and your video card.
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Oh cool!

Well this is where i am very unlearned.

The options for the sager 3880 screen resolutions are as follows:
(All 15.4 screen)

1280x800
1680x1050
1920x1200


If, on the external monitor, I would like the MOST possible working space, nice and spread out.. Which resolution should I select with my order? The 1920x1200?

(If graphics and video card are the same thing, the only option the sager 3880 has is: 128 MB Dedicated VRAM - nVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 6600 16X PCI-Express. of which I know nothing about)

It is very important to me to have a lot of working space as the digital recording software is very intricate.

Also, are you saying that the specs of the external monitor itself has things to do with how much working space I can achieve? (Eg, some screen resolutions not supported) How do I find out which resolutions are supported?


Thanks!
post #4 of 18
The GeForce 6600 supports more than those 3 resolutions. So you're gonna have to find out what your external monitor supports. Once you plug the lappy into an ext. monitor, the resolution choices in the display tab should reflect the new supported resolutions.
post #5 of 18
And I have an HDTV LCD monitor too, and it has it's own cable connections for TV (separate from the VGA and DVI inputs) so no, the lappy wouldn't need a TVtunercard.
post #6 of 18
Your laptop likely has dual monitor capabilities;

NV usually does better with dual display functionality, and the "Dualview" option in NV is just plain nice; that's probably what you should shoot for, an 6600Go with an external DVI connector.
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by madmook1
And I have an HDTV LCD monitor too, and it has it's own cable connections for TV (separate from the VGA and DVI inputs) so no, the lappy wouldn't need a TVtunercard.
So with an HDTV monitor... all you need is a tv tuner(Which should be built in) and something to catch the HDTV, right?

Be it one of the boxes, or a sattelite like dish.

I have digital cable but have to figure out if that works with HDTV

Do you catch any decent shows?
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBall
Your laptop likely has dual monitor capabilities;

NV usually does better with dual display functionality, and the "Dualview" option in NV is just plain nice; that's probably what you should shoot for, an 6600Go with an external DVI connector.
You lost me.

Im a straight out newb when it comes to this stuff. I never heard of it as never attempted to look at gaming geared laptops before.

What is a DVI connector for?
post #9 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyricist
You lost me.

Im a straight out newb when it comes to this stuff. I never heard of it as never attempted to look at gaming geared laptops before.

What is a DVI connector for?
If your laptop has a VGA or DVI connector, then it likely has dual monitor capabilities, which means that it will be able to display a screen/desktop on two different monitors, one is your laptop LCD, while the other is the external monitor.

Most dual capable video cards will do 1) cloning -- identical screen images and resolution on two displays, which means everything on display one is displayed on the second as well; 2) horizontal spanning -- allowing the screen/desktop to strech across two monitors, giving your twice the workspace, and forces identical resolutions on two monitors; 3) vertical spanning -- same as 2), except tiled vertically.

NV has a fourth mode, which is called Dualview, that allows you to have the screen realestate of both monitors to work with, but does not require identical resolutions for both of them. So you can have one 1280X800 on your laptop, and 1600X1200 on the external, for example, and still be able to open different windows and applications on two different screens, giving you a lot more room to work with.
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HardBall
If your laptop has a VGA or DVI connector, then it likely has dual monitor capabilities, which means that it will be able to display a screen/desktop on two different monitors, one is your laptop LCD, while the other is the external monitor.

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NV has a fourth mode, which is called Dualview, that allows you to have the screen realestate of both monitors to work with, but does not require identical resolutions for both of them. So you can have one 1280X800 on your laptop, and 1600X1200 on the external, for example, and still be able to open different windows and applications on two different screens, giving you a lot more room to work with.
Killers. this is exactly what I want to do.

So since the 3880 has NV then that means it can do this... Hopefully it is easy for me to figure it all out when I get the gear. Oh, and I have to find out if the 3880 has a VGI or DVI connecter. it has a VGA which is video output.. I don't see anything mentioning VGI or DVI... Anyone know?

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Thanks by the way.
post #11 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyricist
Killers. this is exactly what I want to do.

So since the 3880 has NV then that means it can do this... Hopefully it is easy for me to figure it all out when I get the gear. Oh, and I have to find out if the 3880 has a VGI or DVI connecter. it has a VGA which is video output.. I don't see anything mentioning VGI or DVI... Anyone know?

Thanks by the way.
It's very easy to visually tell apart VGA from DVI.

VGAs look more like the old style serieal ports, a more trapezoidal shape, with 25 pins on the newest versions, such as this connector, although this one has only 15 pins:


DVI connectors are more rectangular, and has more asymmetric distribution of pins, such as this one, and many newer LCDs connect directly only to DVI :
post #12 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks a bunch. I'll go and look back at the 3880's photo and see if I see that because it doesnt make mention of having a dvi.

However, many of the external LCD monitors I have been looking at online say "1 dvi"

Gaah I don't think the 3880 has it.

---checking now--------

Nope, It doesn't have one. So does that mean I can't accomplish what I want?

Oh wait! I just went back and re read your post-- you said "If your laptop has a VGA or DVI connector, then it likely has dual monitor capabilities"

The 3880 DOES have a VGA port.. But in your earlier post you said I should "shoot for an external DVI port" is that just because most external monitors connect via this port? But, since the 3880 doesnt have one I could get away with using the VGA port as long as the monitor supported that??

Or, is there some type of VGI adapter I could purchase..

Thanks a lot I appreciate it.
post #13 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyricist
Thanks a bunch. I'll go and look back at the 3880's photo and see if I see that because it doesnt make mention of having a dvi.

However, many of the external LCD monitors I have been looking at online say "1 dvi"

Gaah I don't think the 3880 has it.

---checking now--------

Nope, It doesn't have one. So does that mean I can't accomplish what I want?

Oh wait! I just went back and re read your post-- you said "If your laptop has a VGA or DVI connector, then it likely has dual monitor capabilities"

The 3880 DOES have a VGA port.. But in your earlier post you said I should "shoot for an external DVI port" is that just because most external monitors connect via this port? But, since the 3880 doesnt have one I could get away with using the VGA port as long as the monitor supported that??

Or, is there some type of VGI adapter I could purchase..

Thanks a lot I appreciate it.
VGA can work as well, but it would be best for you to buy a VGA compatible monitor in that case, nearly all CRT monitors still use VGA, and the majority of the LCDs also can be compatible with VGA.
post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
Oh ok. Whew cos i found this:

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=1310

Good thing I don't need it. Too much $$

Well hey thanks a lot for your help. Now I feel confident in what to purchase!
post #15 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyricist
Oh ok. Whew cos i found this:

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=1310

Good thing I don't need it. Too much $$

Well hey thanks a lot for your help. Now I feel confident in what to purchase!
Most NV products will support dualview, but you might want to check with people who actually own a go6600 to make sure that it does; otherwise, you are well on your way

Good luck
and hopefully enjoy your new setup.
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 
Ah..yes good idea. I'll do some google/dogpile searching and see if I can find out, if not I will try asking some owners of the 3880 if they know.

Thanks again
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
Found this on nvidia's website concerning the go6600:

" Dual 400MHz RAMDACs
Blazing-fast RAMDACs support dual QXGA displays with ultra-high, ergonomic refresh rates–up to 2048x1536@85Hz. May vary by model.


Dual DVI SupportAble to drive the industry's largest and highest resolution flat-panel displays including 1900x1200 resolution and the new Apple 30" cinema display. (Support for Apple 30” cinema display available on the GeForce 6800 Ultra 512MB only.)
"

But like I discovered my laptop doesnt even have DVI. Hopefully it works with vga. hehe
post #18 of 18

vga out

with omega drivers on my emachines m6810,
i can output different resolution to my external Dell 2005 fpw 20 inch widescreen monitor (1680 x 1050) to have dual screen capability which i use for cad...

my dell's dvi input is used for watching over the air hdtv network signals off my radio shack Accurian brand hdtv tuner...(bought for $90...cheapest over-the-air hdtv tuner with hdmi out) ... got a hdmi to dvi conversion cable...

s-video on dell monitor is connected to ps2....

just thought i share my 2 cents...
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