Sager takes direct aim at the XPS2/M170 - Page 3

note that Sager should be able to use off the shelf Nvidia driver updates whereas the Dell cannot (well we all know where to get them modified but you know what I'm referring to)

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And the Sager uses SATA, which will be about all the HD's you can buy off the shelf come the end of 2006 when you might want that 200gb HD for your lappie.

wow, so much praise

Someone say something negative

The sagers look plain, and its unknown how well they can move heat as well as the copper heatsinks in our xps'. Also from reviews it appears battery life for a dvd is around 1 hour 30 minutes so lower battery life for some reason. Happy?

it has a slightly smaller battery, and it has to run all its cool extra features, like hte webcam and the display on the front of hte keyboard.

it also looks much better than the xps2 IMO.

I disagree,

I sold my AW with the XPS being in effect 2x as fast and literally only lost about $500 and owned it for 6 months.

The general consumer does not typically haunt NBF and does not care as much about bang for the buck as we do. I see idiots on ebay wording their ads for their systems completely wrong. Then I see smart folks wording their ads accordingly and pulling top dollar.

Remember,

Dell XPS M170 = Prada, Gucci, LV
Sager XPS = Dooney, Coach

We all know the Dooney and Coach bags are just good if not better in some cases, but they just don't hold their resale value the same.

AW has a much better resale value then Dell on ebay I can assure you of that.

Sager pulls dirt on ebay... However, even the Sager is going to pull much more then your estimate of $1000

There will be people buying in a year or two just for the name alone...

Exactly,

That's why I dumped the 7700, the system is crap in AW configuration even with the 6800 Ultra.

Now Sager is a little different. The price is right, the system can be upgraded with the lastest and greatest, and the support is endless... Sager also has people that know what there doing buiding their machines. AW techs are completely clueless as a whole. There are only a few decent techs over there from my conversations with them...

sager is better than AW (like everything else), but DELL better than SAGER !

(but dell have to adjust its prices)

SATA @ 5400
IDE @ 7200

Same thing, different way of doing it when it comes to speed.

Now SATA 7200 and IDE 7200, your talking a noticable difference that I can personally atest to.

I think people are jumping the gun on this because of price and price alone.

Its a new model and will have bugs, give it 6 months and you're good I think.

Again, remember, when it comes time to dump the thing, you're not going to get the same money as you would with an XPS.

Most people don't even know who Sager is and they don't have the advertising budget to pump up the reviews in the mags like Dell does.

Sager is not better then AW, better in certain ways, but not outright better, Sager just deals with computers like computers are dealt with in Taiwan. Get the top technology to the consumer as fast as possible and fix the bugs as they surface. As a result, upgrades are readily available as they come out, new systems are readily available as they come out, costs are reduced (Due to the savings of extensive R&D)etc.

AW sells the same thing but makes a show out of it. They anally R&D their upgrades and system releases (And still have problems), they jack the cost of the systems up because of the brand, the insane marketing overhead, the stupid internal R&D (Supposedly producing a more stable machine which is pure BS, pisses off customers, keeps the systems from being cutting edge) they sell a brand that many non-technical people are attracted to because Aliens are associated with high technology and some of the customers actually believe that AW is a cutting edge company.

Sager better for the discriminating customer experience, gamers, technology nuts, etc...

AW better for those who don't care about computers the way we NBF folks do and want a high dollar return on their investment. As I mentioned, a Sager will never touch an AW for resell.

So better is very subjective...

For me, the Dell hauls ass just enough to where I will be happy and also will get something for it when it comes time move it to get something better...

Sager's are great, but I really do think you have to consider resell value...

To upgrade your 9880 to the 7800go GTX is $910 yippe

coughcoughassholescoughcough.

Whatever happened to overengineering? They obviously don't do that, they like to screw the customer over.

IMO the XPS looks waaaaaaaaay better then the Sager clone. The DISCO light show looks awesome...

The only thing that scares me with the Sager version is the thermal design of the chassis looks questionable...

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ok, its not a clone. if it was a clone, it would have had led's and all the dell crap. the two systems look totally different. the sager has a bunch of extra features the dell doesnt have etc. they both have pentium m's and 7800gtx's, but thats where the similarities end.

have you seen pics of hte back of the sager? its got a huge copper heatsink.

Well technically your right, its not a clone. I was just refering to it being an XPS copycat. I do love the little LIGHTSCRIBE feature and WEBCAM, its just like the cam that was on my 7700.

Yeah I saw the heat sink but I am still leary about the thermal design of the chassis. It really does not look like it breathes well which will equate to sluggish performance after its been run a bit IF I'm right.

I tell you what, if it was not so new, I would cancel my order today and grab the Sager for the money, that damn things base out at just over $2k. Sweet deal...

I don't know. I had a Sager 3790 which was the best Centrino laptop for awhile. Although it performed well, the casing was the cheapest crud I'd seen with very thin plastic breaking even with it sitting on my desk 90% of the time and otherwise being in a very heavily padded bag. It also was very very hot. My Dell XPS2 OTOH, has been rock solid, all the ports and casing is extremely solid and well made. The screen casing is solid. It never gets hot even playing fairly high end games (Far Cry, DOOM3, Brothers in Arms and so on).

However, I don't see myself upgrading my laptop again until Yonah or the next gen after that. I want Dual Core and I'd rather get the second gen Dual core.

Also - on the web cam that comes with Sagers, I don't think anybody on earth has ever gotten those to work with Win XP.

Heh, that's what people used to say about Dell. But the 9300/XPS2 is rock solid. That's the main thing I would worry about on the Sager -- it doesn't look nearly as solid, but it's hard to tell from a picture.

I like the keyboard...