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Since Breezy seems a bit buggy....

post #1 of 25
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Well, I guess I might as well say it. Its been 4 days now since Breezy came out and that I have been using it, but it seems they rushed it just to keep with the deadline (because everyone would hate them if they did what Microsoft did to Vista). I mean, overall its still a great distro and shall be enjoyed by many, I think I might sit out this round until some fixes come along. Now I know that when the next version comes out (can't remember what its called at htis time) it will be mostly a bug fix thing, rather than implementation of new risky technology (such as was the case with breezy) and therefore it shall be more stable, and more finished.

This is my impression of policits of Ubuntu. BTW, for those of you who haven't caught on to version numbers it goes year.month so in case of Breezy 5.10 (October 2005).

4.10 - Warty Warthog - This is where the legacy began. I tired it and liked it, but x wouldn't run (they used xfree86 then) so i couldn't really use it all that much. It was solid and finished because as the first release, they did a lot to make a good first impression.

5.04 - Hoary Hetchog - There were 2 big changes here. They went from Xfree to Xorg and the artwork improved. Now this distro was build solid and was totally bad-ass. Except for those 2 changes, it was all bugfixing and polishing.

5.10 - Breezy Badger - Well..you know the story. Lots of new features (most of them under the hood so you can't see many of them as a user) that are well, new, so its natural there are bugs, and in this unfortunate case, quite a few bugs.

So next realease, 6.04, shall be just a whole bunch of fixes for the problems caused by all these new features.

Until the fixes are made, I guess I am free to wander off into the unknown. But unlike my previous pointless "distro of the week" sprees i had before where i would install something new every weekend for like a month or 2, this time i have a purpose, or 2, well 1. For the next month my schooling is getting really hard core and there will be no days off or long weekends that I can dedicate to the installing of Gentoo and actually configuring it, therefore i shall go with a binary distro. My target is Kanotix.

My logic:
Its a debian-based distro (which means apt-get which i really like) and its not american (which means non-us sources ) so thats all good. it also has a fab reputation for out of the box hardware recognition (which is good, the less i have to config by hand, the better). Now the downside is its KDE (though i suppose it has its advantages), why do you suddenly think that i am a freak for not liking kde? I've been a gnome user for so long that KDE just doesn't do it for me anymore. Also because in my experience kde is SLOWER and BUGGIER than gnome (btw....2.12 is totally AWESOME)

I've already made the attempt to download it but the server dropped me 400mb into the download (701mb total size). Since its getting late and i have school tomorrow, i guess the downloading will have to wait till tomorrow.

just some thoughts.....
post #2 of 25
its not perfect, but its a lot better than hoary. im having problems with kubuntu though so im using gnome now. i had kde 3.5 beta 1 running on suse and hoary with no problems, but on breezy, i get 100% harddrive activity randomly and it keeps getting worse until the system is no longer usable. the first time it happened was when i was trying out a windows app with a fresh install of wine, so im thinking that that might have been the problem.

im also having trouble installing it on my brothers computer. ive installed it on a laptop, an amd desktop and a pentium 3 desktop with 0 problems and all the hardware works very well on all of them. however, on my brothers amd desktop, i get an error during the install. i just downloaded ubuntu to see if it will install any better than kubuntu.

overall, its a pretty good release, although im going to switch back to suse soon. the problem is that i tried installing suse 10 final a couple days ago, and the md5's for the cd's were all wrong. im not really sure what to do now, no way in hell im downloading another 3gigs of it.
post #3 of 25
Hey abf,
I was wondering if you ever tried Arch Linux. It is a great distro based on Slackware. It has a package manager called Pacman which works amazingly. You can upgrade everything in your computer by simply typing "pacman -Sy". I've tried Slackware, ubuntu, gentoo, suse, and most big name distros and I highly recommend Arch Linux!

Good luck!
-Marc
post #4 of 25
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My target is Kanotix.
Kanotix is a wonderful Installable live cd based on debian, they are currently working on a new realease (a beta is available). DVD playback is not disabled, MP3 Playback is not disabled, XviD/DivX playback is not disabled.

Easy to set up ATI graphics (run a script - however the script needs to be modified, ATI's ftp server is blocking blind requests for the file now). Need to modify X configuration file to enable non standard resolutions (1280x800).
post #5 of 25
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Yes i have tried Arch and the installer would totally freak out on me no matter what i tried, so no arch for me.

I am not doing any of the main-stream distros (suse, mandrake, fedora) because they are dog slow, have crappy hardware recognition, and downloading 5cds is not in my boat.

I still love ubuntu, just think that I need to get away from Breezy for a while... at least until some bugs have been fixed and the official backports come out.

and JP, ati drivers have been reletively easy to install (alhtough my hardware requires an older version, the new one screws my resolutions...luckily i keep a copy on my flash drive)
post #6 of 25
try SUPER then. it has all the advantages that he listed for arch(media support, i686, ati, package manager), but it still has all the polish of suse. its only one cd, and you shouldnt knock it before you try it. it is NOT slow the way suse 9.x was at all.

anyway, i got ubuntu installed on my bros comptuer. there were a ouple problems installing kubuntu-desktop though. i hate apt. smart/you do a much better job of handling depends. im actually surprised that breezy didnt switch to smart by now, seeing as how its fully compatible with debs and has a frontend that is even better than synaptic.
post #7 of 25
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i love apt to be honest, i think its the greatest thing since sliced bread (...and portage). That said, i am actually in Mandrake 2005 right now and in the middle of an upgrgrade to 2006 :-\ haha....

yeah i did install kanotix for those of you who are wondering, it gave me a royal pain in the ass with wireless, it was also a bit on the slow side (KDE....duh!)
post #8 of 25
I find breezy to be very stable atm. I had problems early on getting my repositories in order, but I have that all sorted out now.

I have two semi-serious issues i'm dealing with now with breezy. The first is fonts- I can't get aliased fonts to look right. Didn't have this issue with hoary. Apparently the fonts system has changed and is not scaling things right. Antialiased they look fine, but I hate antialiased fonts under 13pt. No matter what I do aliased fonts look like they are scaled improperly at any dpi.

The second issue is with the screen savers- they have a nasty tendency to just stop and burn my screen until I wake the system. Not a huge issue as I turned the screen saver off and have to go to a blank screen instead.

Other than that the new gnome is very stable and more refined. The updates in nautilus are also very welcomed.

Another minor issue... Why is firefox so damn slow in linux? I snagged v1.5 and it was a little faster, but it's still a dog. I did all of the speed hacks, and they make a difference, but not nearly enough. I'm primarily using opera now which is lightning fast in comparison and much more stable.

Using breezy now since a week before it came out officially and relatively problem free. No stability issues (except when firefox gets overwhelmed).

EDIT: I fixed the font scaling issue. Needed to do some xorg.conf tweaking.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by abf
i love apt to be honest, i think its the greatest thing since sliced bread (...and portage). That said, i am actually in Mandrake 2005 right now and in the middle of an upgrgrade to 2006 :-\ haha.... yeah i did install kanotix for those of you who are wondering, it gave me a royal pain in the ass with wireless, it was also a bit on the slow side (KDE....duh!)
smart works in the exact same way, uses the exact same packages and uses the exact same repositories. it just handles dependencies way better than apt.

Edit:firefox sucks under linux. try epiphany tho
post #10 of 25
breezy is working perfectly for me too, i even install ubuntu this time around, so i'm stuck with gnome, and i'm starting to really like it! still not used to it 100% but it's really nice so far.

i've had kanotix on my pc before, i didnt like it. in my experiance it had bad hardware recognition, but it could have just been my pc.

btw, firefox works fine for me in linux. in windows it's pretty slow right after i first boot up my pc, then it becomes normal. to be honest i can't tell a difference between 1.5 and 1.0.6 at all.
post #11 of 25
you shoudl try another browser though. firefox really is very slow in linux
post #12 of 25
i haven't noticed it lol
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by jnev_89
i haven't noticed it lol
Try out opera and you'll notice really quick.
post #14 of 25
i've tried opera before and didn't really like it, i'm too used to firefox. either way, firefox works well for em, so why change? if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
post #15 of 25
at least just TRY epiphany. it is the same engine and same general interface. but it is a lot faster and more integrated.
post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
wasn't the point of going from IE to Firefox in windows was to get AWAY from integration?
post #17 of 25
Personally I dont know why you think Firefox is so slow in linux, never had a problem on my box, might it possibly be for other reasons... plug-ins or other expansions on the base package? Mine runs vanilla for instance.

Seablade
post #18 of 25
i tried epiphany, it was ok, i coudn't tell much of a difference from firefox though. i'll stick to firefox, i already have all my bookmarks and plug-ins and everything. if it works for me, why change right?
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by abf
wasn't the point of going from IE to Firefox in windows was to get AWAY from integration?
To me, that's just one of the benefits. Why move away from something integrated when it's good? IE is bad, that's why people move away from it. Epiphany is apparently pretty damned good, so why move away?
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by jnev_89
i've tried opera before and didn't really like it, i'm too used to firefox. either way, firefox works well for em, so why change? if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I think the point was that it is sorta broke. For most people, it's extremely slow. Opera is hardly perfect, but it's most definately much better in the UI speed and caching department.
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