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Pepe's 3880 review

post #1 of 36
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Alright, so I've had my 3880 for over a month now and the time has come to submit a review as promised.

The Sager 3880, behold:















Short version:

I was in the market for a desktop replacement...but one that's still very portable as I'm going through my second law degree (there're two legal systems in Canada) as well as having to run around with it between home, Court and the faculty. If you're looking for a portable DTR, this is a perfect notebook for you.

Build:

I'm not gentle with my laptops which is why I took the accidental insurance with it. Just because it cost me a lot doesn't mean I should walk on eggshells around it..and I don't have to. Its a tough build. Looks like brushed aluminum but it could very well be some kind of polymer/plastic for all I know. Keyboard is "soft" with a hint of flex. I like this as it means that I'm not too noisy when
I type. I think some people hate soft keyboards just as much as I hate clanky ones though.

Display:

15.4" TFT WUXGA (1920 x 1200)

The screen is gorgeous. Just what you'd expect from a WUXGA screen. You get a lot more space on a WUXGA screen than WXGA. If any of you are on the fence, I'd definitely opt for the higher rez. I took some screenshots for you to compare screen real estate.

WUXGA





WSXGA



WXGA



CPU:

2.00 GHz Intel Pentium M

Zipping through everything. Dunno what's helping most, the RAM, the HD RPM or the CPU but booting the comp takes 30 seconds. I don't even bother using standby anymore. I take it out of my bag, put it on a desk, start it, sit, and its practically ready for use.

GPU

nVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 6600 16X PCI-E

This is more than adequate for now. I've just played through half life 2 at full resolution (1920 x 1200) with everything maxed. This game is absolutely stunning on a WUXGA display. I had seen it before but in widescreen its just amazing.

The F.E.A.R. demo was a bit on the slow side with everything maxed, worked well with some things downscaled a bit. Haven't tried the actual game, designers may have been a bit lazy in the demo encoding, dunno yet. Also played tried Fable and Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow maxed out, but considering HL2 works, its no surprise they're a breeze as well.

I ran 3dmark05 a week or so ago. I think the score was 2159 but I also think I ran it at full resolution whereas most people do it at 1024 x 768 ot something like that...a lower rez anyway so I may have to do it again for comparative results.

Sound:

The sound sucks. Its good for a laptop but if you're a budding audiophile like me, you won't bother listening to the notebook's speakers for very long, the lack of a woofer makes it tinny. The onboard sound card is actually pretty good though. Good sound through my headphones, just missing a bit of "oomph" when you want to blast your eardrums on the 1812 ouverture or play drum&bass to keep you awake. I bought some Creative speakers which amplify the headphones for me so all's good now. Card's more than enough..but amped phones = bliss.

I use SONY MDR-EX71 by the way which I recommend. They're earplug type Headphones with amazing sound, full BASS! I bought them after someone on the boards complained that they were too good in blocking outside sound (very true, someone can definitely sneak up on you) and they received GSferrari's seal of approval..

One little nitpick...while its much easier to plug in and out, I wish the sound card input was on the side or back instead of the front. Now my speaker wire dangles in front an is a bit in the way because of it.

Heat:

Many people seem to be concerned about the comps heat. While gaming the palmrest gets warm but not hot. You definitely don't need a laptop cooler. I've used this laptop on my lap many times and nothing's been cooked yet. After gaming, which is when it'll heat up the most, the HD temp goes up to 59 degrees celsius and the GPU is around there. Nothing to write home about...

Battery:

Excellent! Another good reason to opt for the 3880. I get over 4 hours of use while using Word and the internet with my wireless internet on, screen not fully dimmed. I could probably milk some extra time. I've watched a DVD on battery but not a very long one, I'm guessing it'd last over 3 hours but unless you insist that I test it out I think it'll remain a guess.

The size of the battery...some people call it "The tumour"...I call it "The grip". I balked when I saw it the first time but I really love it now. Its ridiculously easy to pull the comp out of my briefcase. I think I'd actually be sad to see this "feature" go. It lifts up the comp a bit which is great for typing, provides long battery life and acts as a grip...PLUS you never see it. Even if I close my computer I won't see it as its under it. I only see it when I pick it up and put it in my bag or vice-versa.

Overall score:

I'd give it a 9.5/10. My only nitpick concerning the soundcard placement and speaker sound, though I expected this. Perfect comp for my needs, glad I opted for it instead of the Asus z70a as I love the resolution.

Btw, I haven't tried the lightscribe on my dvd burner yet. Burnt a dvd though, quite fast. Rips music fast as well, no qualms there. I'll edit the review once I've tried the lightscribe. If you've any questions, just ask.

P.S. I left instructions on the forum on how to upgrade your nVidia driver. It took me over an hour to figure that one out:

You can find the .nfo file here.

You can find the actual 77.77 driver here

You can find the .inf file you need to copy into the 77.77 driver folder here

You can watch a "how to install" movie guide here

and the code for your 3880 is NVCV, so you copy the NVCV .inf which is in the 77.77.inf.zip folder, not the other one.

There ya go! Took me over an hour to figure all that out...
LL
post #2 of 36
Hows the internal wireless holding up? Also whats the camera like on it?

And where did you get that background. I like it
post #3 of 36
Thread Starter 
Internal wireless is working great. I'm using LAN line at home though, I haven't tried its distance. Its works where its meant to work.

I'm pretty sure I got the background on deviantart.com. I just tried finding it for you but couldn't find it though...there were several other cool ones however.

By the way, I forgot to mention in the review that the screen is glossy due to the NuShield (www.nushield.com) I got for it. Colors and contrasts are better...the website says you can install it in a minute. Yeah...right...I swore while installing it...a lot. Got three shields, 2 are a bit dented, I may email them asking for replacements. I think its worth the price though, you get the glossy look without the high price and if it ever annoys you you take it off.





Good thing you brought up the camera, unlike the soundcard which really is just nitpicking, this just sucks*. You need a spotlight to light you up for a decent image. I played with the settings today so its "okay" but if you're really into videoconferencing I wouldn't solely depend on this. That being said, I've never used another webcam so maybe its the norm. Its supposedly the same one as the one in the 9880 and other Sagers...

Another thing, it weighs 8lbs (a bit less actually) Quite light considering the size and power, very manageable with "the grip"

Edit: For the wallpaper, these are all by the same artist: http://search.deviantart.com/searchc...=rabidmongoose

*EDIT2: The camera actually isn't too bad. It depends on what software you use. The camera software that came with the comp sucks, but if you use it with MSN or something, its not too bad...
post #4 of 36
How is the keyboard? My only concern is the space key...it looks very small. Its missing about 2 keys worth of space...do you feel that its small or did you just get used to it and don't seem to notice it...

EDIT: about the wuxga, is the text small? I've heard that the text on that resolution is a bit small...but compared to the wxga...its a major difference. Too bad they don't have the wsxga. Does the screen look good when you bump the resolution down to 1360x768? Is it still as good dimension and everything wise? because i want to kno that if the 1600x1200 is too small i can still bump it down to a bigger resolution lol
post #5 of 36
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I hadn't even noticed the size of the space bar until you'd told me..

Yeah, it is a bit small...hmm...well, it hasn't bothered me at all. Like any new keyboard it'll take you some time to get used to it, half an hour or so. I'm a touch typist so I was hitting some stuff by accident at first since it wasn't exactly the same as my last laptop. Doing fine now..

I think that most people who complain about the WUXGA character size simply never used it or only used it for a short time. You get used to it. Yes you can take the resolution down. I think it looks worse but I'm not sure if its due to my being used to a better resolution or if the image loses clarity. I doubt you'll ever lower the resolution any more than you would on your own computer now. Once you're used to a higher resolution, anything lower is just annoying.
post #6 of 36
Whats the difference between those Go drivers and the standard Nvidia drivers off the Nvidia site?
post #7 of 36
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New forceware drivers contain a number fixes and optimizations for recent games. They also usually have the best performance particularly in newer Pixel Shader/Vertex Shader-reliant games, and are a lot more stable and much less likely to cause problems than beta/unofficial Forceware releases.

In other words, new games = new fixes in cards = new drivers for better gameplay.
post #8 of 36
thats a pretty interesting review. just curious, how does hl2 lost coast play on that?

also, ahve you ever seen a sony lcd with xbrite? how would this compare with nushield? the nushield is pretty interesting to me, because now it means i can get just about any laptop and make it glossy. the only problem is that the touchpad looks kinda distroted in the reflection from one of your pictures. do you notice this when viewing the screen?
post #9 of 36
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I haven't checked out HL2 Lost Coast yet. Since its a technology showcase I'm assuming it'll studder at max, especially considering they mention the Nvidia 6800 as a minimum requirement. I'll install it to see....

I have seen the Sony X-Brite screens and that's the reason I decided to try out the Nushield. I won't claim the nushield is the same 'til I see them side by side, but its definitely similar. Better contrasts than a matte screen and people have commented on the screen quality (and laptop in general). Considering the price I think it's well worth installing. The reason the touchpad is distorted is that at the time it wasn't installed properly, it still looked perfect when the laptop was in normal position. But since the nushield floats over the screen, when the screen tilted forward the nushield bubbled forward a bit. In normal position it just floats flat over it. Now that I've got all sides in properly, it doesn't bubble as much when tilted but probably still does a bit...in practice it doesn't matter as you'll never use the screen that way.
post #10 of 36
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Installed Lost Coast and it's indeed laggy at max settings. I didn't have time to play with the settings to see what's the max I can play smoothly at but hopefully I can get around to it sometime this weekend. I'm a bit busy at the moment...
post #11 of 36
Lost coast on a 3880 at max settings plays a tad jumpy, but not too bad if you overclock the 6600 go to its full potential.
post #12 of 36
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Just curious...do you play HL2 at max settings with no problems? Just so I know I'm not alone...
post #13 of 36
Thanks for the info about the NuShield! I was slightly bummed, when my 3880 came without the glossy screen. One thing I'd like to know, does it take away the "sparkliness" of the screen?
post #14 of 36
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Hmm, well I don't notice any sparkliness...I'd take the shield off to check if I notice any without but its a pain to install correctly.
post #15 of 36
That's ok. Think I'll try one of those and see how it looks. I'm really jealous of my co-worker's 3880, as it came with the glossy screen, back in July. Looks awesome!
post #16 of 36
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Just so you all know; the integrated camera actually isn't that bad, its the software that came with it that's crap. I just tried it with MSN and its not that bad...

also, if the other party can barely hear you and you mic volume is maxed out, you need to activate the mic boost in the realtek (sound card) audio manager. Its in "mixer" and then you need to click on the advanced mic features. After that you're pretty much set up for videoconferencing...can't say that I'm a huge fan of videoconferencing, but you can.
post #17 of 36

hmm. i must have a different sager logo plate on the back of my lcd. whenever i look at other 3880 plates they have the mirror finish and is engraved slightly into the back of the lcd. mine is a matte finish with the mirror finish sager letters.
post #18 of 36
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Cool, yeah, my logo is different..
post #19 of 36
Hey pplepiew, I read you have the NuShield on your 3880. I too ordered one for my 3880 and for the life of me cannot get the thing on properly. I eventually took the bezel apart to install the thing. But when the bezel is back on, the NuShield cover is all warped and such. How did you get yours on straight. On mine the bezel pushes down on the NuShield cover around the LCD metal jacket, thus causing the warping.

Thanks, P
post #20 of 36
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It takes a lot of swearing...

Most of the swearing comes from trying to remove the clear film that covers the shield...Once you've done that you put the top in, then the bottom, then a side, then the other side. Most likely you'll have some sort of bubble somewhere, a bit sticking out from the inside of frame...well, you've gotta dig your thumbnails in the frame and pull it out a bit while shoving the nushield in, swearing helps.

I think its best to shove it as high as you can, upwards and then you work it down, pulling the frame outwards a bit with your thumbnail or fingernail...

I feel your pain...but I guess it's worth it, looks good once it's on.
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