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post #161 of 449
10/22/05 at 2:26pm
It wasn't what I was expecting, but I can wait for AW to come out with AMD. My 7700 is great and I've been pleased with AW so I don't plan to make any immediate changes anyway.
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post #162 of 449
10/22/05 at 5:12pm
Codename, the thing you need to remember here is that recently there has been a lot of upheaval in the laptop graphics world, including interface changes. Also, nVidia threw everyone for a loop with the wild swings in power usage between the 6600, 6800 ultra and then back down again in the 7800. Both of these factors have contributed to problems for AW (and others) with upgradeable graphics.

Also, until recently there was no such thing as upgradeable laptop graphics. What you bought initially you stuck with. Now with PCIE speading as well as the movement towards standards for mobile graphics cards, upgradeability should start to be easier.
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post #163 of 449
10/22/05 at 5:14pm
What in the world is wrong with the timer? Last time I checked it was at 9 days some hours left and now it is 68 days. What kind of sick twisted joke is this? Anyone knows the official launch day since I don't think that dam count down clock is reliable.
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post #164 of 449
10/22/05 at 5:36pm
The reason I went with Hyper is that I WANT a new laptop in my hands well enough in advance to take it on my next couple trips (week skiiing in December, 11 days in Orlando in beginning of Jan). To do so I need it by end of November or beginning of Dec so I can have it properly configured to remotely access the clinic.

AW WILL have a laptop that would please me, they just were not fast enough to do so. I personally think AW should try to stay cutting edge. I understand they are trying to spead out to other markets such as Governement\Corporate markets with their newer server and workstation offerings. This is all nice as I love AW and want to see them prosper. I don't think dragging their heels in terms of the l33t ghey ming market should be allowed while they pursue new opportunites. There might be a general who happens to also be a l33t BF2 gheymer making the decision on that next major contract with the US Special Forces for a very large order of AW servers and workstations. . .

Rule of Thumb: If Voodoo, Hypersonic, or FNW being a MAJOR new techology or improvement upon and existing techonolgy to market before AW (such as AMD procs in laptops or Geforce 7800 GTX Gos) then AW has dropped the ball IMHO. If Dell beats you to the punch, someone at AW needs a timeout or perhaps even a spanking.

Also, bring back ALL your products in the full selection of colors. Offer windows in your desktop cases. You are the best of the best. Make us proud. Show us that Black Belt attitude.
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post #165 of 449
10/22/05 at 6:29pm
Alienware isn't going to send in the tanks and nukes until they send in the infantry...when the AMD laptop comes out, plan on a smack down.

Edit: I want the Aurora-m that former AW-Terrance (stirge) had at Quakecon the year before last
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post #166 of 449
10/22/05 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by Joelist
Codename, the thing you need to remember here is that recently there has been a lot of upheaval in the laptop graphics world, including interface changes. Also, nVidia threw everyone for a loop with the wild swings in power usage between the 6600, 6800 ultra and then back down again in the 7800. Both of these factors have contributed to problems for AW (and others) with upgradeable graphics.

Also, until recently there was no such thing as upgradeable laptop graphics. What you bought initially you stuck with. Now with PCIE speading as well as the movement towards standards for mobile graphics cards, upgradeability should start to be easier.

Good point...
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post #167 of 449
10/22/05 at 7:23pm
Considering the 7700 on equalled at best the Dell XPS 2 I would be careful about using the term smackdown. AW has fallen in the lappy market. I hope either they can get up on their own or they have a Life ALert System (which now doubles as an MP3 player BTW).
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post #168 of 449
10/22/05 at 7:25pm
Random thoughts brought on by reading this thread:

Sighhhhh...lot's of squabbling about what AW should do. It's their company - and up to the heads of AW to set their direction. Yes, they've been slow to market with new laptops - let's hope that's because they've taken the time to get it right. (They've gotta take notice when a fan like DB opts for Hypersonic - I don't even work for AW, and it makes me sad!)

I understand why people are upset about the upgrade issue, when it has been used as a marketing tool by some companies. My gameplan is just to assume that what I get in the original laptop is what I'll have for the time I keep that laptop...am tired about the hype of 'upgradability.'

Everyone has different opinions about the perfect laptop - specs, price, and even color options! It will be interesting to see the direction taken by AW as it grows and becomes more mainstream. Can they keep their 'boutique' label? This is a very exciting time right now, and I can't wait to see what develops over the next year or so...
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post #169 of 449
10/22/05 at 7:44pm
68?! Wtf?!??! I'm Gonna Puke!
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post #170 of 449
10/24/05 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
The reason I went with Hyper is that I WANT a new laptop in my hands well enough in advance to take it on my next couple trips (week skiiing in December, 11 days in Orlando in beginning of Jan). To do so I need it by end of November or beginning of Dec so I can have it properly configured to remotely access the clinic.

AW WILL have a laptop that would please me, they just were not fast enough to do so. I personally think AW should try to stay cutting edge. I understand they are trying to spead out to other markets such as Governement\Corporate markets with their newer server and workstation offerings. This is all nice as I love AW and want to see them prosper. I don't think dragging their heels in terms of the l33t ghey ming market should be allowed while they pursue new opportunites. There might be a general who happens to also be a l33t BF2 gheymer making the decision on that next major contract with the US Special Forces for a very large order of AW servers and workstations. . .

Rule of Thumb: If Voodoo, Hypersonic, or FNW being a MAJOR new techology or improvement upon and existing techonolgy to market before AW (such as AMD procs in laptops or Geforce 7800 GTX Gos) then AW has dropped the ball IMHO. If Dell beats you to the punch, someone at AW needs a timeout or perhaps even a spanking.

Also, bring back ALL your products in the full selection of colors. Offer windows in your desktop cases. You are the best of the best. Make us proud. Show us that Black Belt attitude.
Dell beats AW to the punch due to buying power, that's a pretty tall order to assume AW can beat Dell dollars when it comes to quantity purchases from manufacturers. It's just a fact that Alienware and all the other smaller companies have to deal with the 800 pound gorilla on the block.

And I'll be waiting to see if you get your machine before AW is shipping the 7800. It's not uncommon for all companies to be late on deliveries of new hardware.
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post #171 of 449
10/24/05 at 2:25pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Considering the 7700 on equalled at best the Dell XPS 2 I would be careful about using the term smackdown. AW has fallen in the lappy market. I hope either they can get up on their own or they have a Life ALert System (which now doubles as an MP3 player BTW).
I disagree.

The Dell gets good frame rates in games like the 7700, everywhere else, AW kicks their asses.

Screens, configuration, applications, resale...
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post #172 of 449
10/24/05 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
I disagree.

The Dell gets good frame rates in games like the 7700, everywhere else, AW kicks their asses.

Screens, configuration, applications, resale...
Hammer, my friend, you need to catch up on your review reading. The Dell equalled the 7700 in gaming performance while kicking it's ass in heat, battery life, and price. I believe reputable sources like Maximum PC rated the XPS 2 over the 7700.
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post #173 of 449
10/24/05 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Hammer, my friend, you need to catch up on your review reading. The Dell equalled the 7700 in gaming performance while kicking it's ass in heat, battery life, and price. I believe reputable sources like Maximum PC rated the XPS 2 over the 7700.

As much as I love AW, I have to agree with DB on this one. I have yet to find one reputable source that has voted the AW laptop as the best of teh best. That honor in most of the time goes to other big names including Dell. *gulp*
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post #174 of 449
10/24/05 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Hammer, my friend, you need to catch up on your review reading. The Dell equalled the 7700 in gaming performance while kicking it's ass in heat, battery life, and price. I believe reputable sources like Maximum PC rated the XPS 2 over the 7700.


That is probably true, but with reguard to....screens, applications, configs and most of all, resale...Dell is nowhere to be found....resale may be the most important one, just ask Code
I cannot disagree on battery life and the heat issue and as for price, being a loyal AW owner yourself, when you get into this price range, you get what you pay for and with AW, when/if you sell, you get one hell of a return......if you took proper care of your rig
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post #175 of 449
10/25/05 at 2:37pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Hammer, my friend, you need to catch up on your review reading. The Dell equalled the 7700 in gaming performance while kicking it's ass in heat, battery life, and price. I believe reputable sources like Maximum PC rated the XPS 2 over the 7700.
That's what I'm talking about with the frame rates, the xps2 is set up basically as support for the vid card.

Heat is a given, the p4 runs hot. But what I've read shows the Dell to only have about 15 minutes more gaming battery life than the AW, so it's not really much of a point for me. From these forums I see the Dell will last about an hour to an hour and fifteen minutes in a modern game, the AW lasts 50 min to an hour.

In regards to running other programs that don't rely mostly on the vid card, the p4 platform blows away the xps2.

And this all seems moot at this point. You'll soon be able to buy an AW with a Centrino, AMD, or probably still a p4. And though there's no announcement yet, I'm sure the 7800 will be available with all those choices.
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post #176 of 449
10/25/05 at 2:46pm
How does the battery life compare when it comes to office productivity? When I am on the road doing installs and such, nine times out of ten, I don't have a place to plug in. When I am gaming, that is not an issue.
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post #177 of 449
10/25/05 at 2:57pm
The XPS2 is believe is based on the Pentium Mobile which is not only uses less energy but also performs better. The XPS2 is stated to run at least twice as long as the 7700 on a battery charge.

This is not moot because my argument is AW dropped the ball with the 7700. If I am wrong then I no reason to doubt AW. If I am right, then there is cause for some concern. I think AW can pull it out if they chose to. They did not do so in time enough for me, unfortunately.
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post #178 of 449
10/25/05 at 3:18pm
Depending on the benchmark, the Mobile does not outpreform a desktop processor. The selling points for me are the fact that it runs cooler (which means the laptop doesn't have to be built like a tank) and longer battery life. When Centrino kicks in, you can easily get 2-3 hours off of a charge.
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post #179 of 449
10/25/05 at 3:33pm
Once it gets to 0:00:01 It will go to 70:24:59 probably.
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post #180 of 449
10/25/05 at 4:05pm
Alas, not for me either.
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