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post #301 of 449
10/31/05 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by Trekkminster
damn, you'd figure they would offer a better video card with their new models... Not staying the 6800 is bad, but they could have thrown the 6800 ultra in.
Uses twice the power of the 6800 go.

The idea behind these two new models is slim design, less weight, and battery life. True mobility for three to four hours on battery.

If you put an ultra or 7800 in there, you have to deal with the heat and power consumption.

That's why they offer the 7700 with the 7800 now, it's designed for the increased power and cooling needs.
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post #302 of 449
10/31/05 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by ewolff
Have you compared the old 5500 to the new 5500?

Old: 13.8x11.4x1.6

New: 14.25x10.75x1.36

The new one is thinner...
Do you game ewolff?

I was waiting for the AMD 7700, but now I'm considering the 5700 like you ordered. If the performance in games is acceptable with the 6800go, I'm going to have to consider getting one of those... A 17" screen in a laptop that'll play more than one movie on a charge sounds great for travel...
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post #303 of 449
10/31/05 at 9:38pm
I think at this point, the 7700 is going to be a tough sell unless you really want the 7800. Aside from P4 vs. Centrino, the only real difference between the 5700 and 7700 is the 7700 has an additional optical bay. If you configure both systems with a 6800 go, here is how the prices look

5700 w/ 1.6ghz PM - 1986
5700 w/ 2.2ghz PM - 2504

7700 w/ 3.0ghz P4 - 2672
7700 w/ 3.8ghz P4 - 3182

If you want the 7800gtx, add 500 to the cost of the 7700.
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post #304 of 449
10/31/05 at 9:42pm
By Nov 15 they will be offering the 7700 with the AMD processors. The AW rep informed me that the price will start around the the current start price of the P4 + or - a few bucks.
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post #305 of 449
10/31/05 at 9:44pm
If the m5700 came with the 7800 I would have bought it right away. Now that the 7700 is coming with the 7800's does anyone know how much it costs to upgrade?
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post #306 of 449
10/31/05 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
Do you game ewolff?

I was waiting for the AMD 7700, but now I'm considering the 5700 like you ordered. If the performance in games is acceptable with the 6800go, I'm going to have to consider getting one of those... A 17" screen in a laptop that'll play more than one movie on a charge sounds great for travel...
I do game, and if you look at my desktop you will see that I am not concerned with getting state of the art components at the time they come out.

Look at it this way. I am going to make up a few numbers here, because I do not know how much Darth is paying for his Hypersonic.

My laptop is going to cost me 2200. It was going to be 2000, but I opted for the three year warranty. I am guessing Darth's laptop is going to cost around 4 grand. Right now both systems will play all games flawlessly. Now lets say in two years, I decide I want a new laptop. I sell mine on Ebay for 1,000 and buy a new one with current technology (not high end) for 2000. I now have a computer that is newer than Darth and I am ahead 1,000.

That's the problem I have with bleeding edge. Unless you pan on using the same system for 5 or 6 years, you are going to lose money on it.
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post #307 of 449
10/31/05 at 9:51pm
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Originally Posted by tate
If the m5700 came with the 7800 I would have bought it right away. Now that the 7700 is coming with the 7800's does anyone know how much it costs to upgrade?
Depending on when you bought your 7700, you will probably need a motherboard upgrade along with the new card. I expect we will not see an official price for the upgrade for at least a month assuming they keep with past trends of making new hardware exclusive to new computers.
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post #308 of 449
10/31/05 at 10:00pm
The Go 7800:

With the 7800 Nvidia has gone made improvements to the power management. You can still get great performance, lower heat and a longer batter life. The engine, memory and pixel clocks can all be scale to the clock of the cpu load. Clock gating allows the GPU to turn off certain parts of the GPU when it is not in use, effectively lowering the clock frequency to 0 for that section resulting in more power savings. Also voltage scaling is featured and the bandwidth can be scaled.

All of this leads to better power management and better thermals. Should provide twice the power and about the same power/heat.

This gpu is perfect with a low power cpu such as a Turion or Pentium M.

To be honest I was disappointed with the launch but there are still models to come. Being first to market is part of the game, and AW did not inrodue anything new though they are quite nice however, you can find the same specs in about 100 models now.

Being out with the latest and greatest is the name of the game and I would like to see someone argue other regardless of R & D. The time to market is a while and there is ample time to test especially if you have the resources like AW has.

Now I am curious to see what they have up their sleeve next.
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post #309 of 449
10/31/05 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
Check the configurator, they now have the 7800 in the 7700.
w00t! If I only had the money
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post #310 of 449
10/31/05 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by {OLD}agile
The Go 7800:

With the 7800 Nvidia has gone made improvements to the power management. You can still get great performance, lower heat and a longer batter life. The engine, memory and pixel clocks can all be scale to the clock of the cpu load. Clock gating allows the GPU to turn off certain parts of the GPU when it is not in use, effectively lowering the clock frequency to 0 for that section resulting in more power savings. Also voltage scaling is featured and the bandwidth can be scaled.

All of this leads to better power management and better thermals. Should provide twice the power and about the same power/heat.

This gpu is perfect with a low power cpu such as a Turion or Pentium M.

To be honest I was disappointed with the launch but there are still models to come. Being first to market is part of the game, and AW did not inrodue anything new though they are quite nice however, you can find the same specs in about 100 models now.

Being out with the latest and greatest is the name of the game and I would like to see someone argue other regardless of R & D. The time to market is a while and there is ample time to test especially if you have the resources like AW has.

Now I am curious to see what they have up their sleeve next.

I hate to tell you but that doesn't mean crap in gaming, the 7800 may turn off certain parts of the chip, but that's when it's IDLE. It likely pulls slightly more or even equal to that of it's predacessor (6800 Ultra mobile), I'm an nvidia fan but the chip shutting off certain parts will only make a difference in office applications. And considering you'd get the 7800 for gaming, it won't make a bit of difference.
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post #311 of 449
10/31/05 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by {OLD}agile
The Go 7800:

With the 7800 Nvidia has gone made improvements to the power management. You can still get great performance, lower heat and a longer batter life. The engine, memory and pixel clocks can all be scale to the clock of the cpu load. Clock gating allows the GPU to turn off certain parts of the GPU when it is not in use, effectively lowering the clock frequency to 0 for that section resulting in more power savings. Also voltage scaling is featured and the bandwidth can be scaled.

All of this leads to better power management and better thermals. Should provide twice the power and about the same power/heat.

This gpu is perfect with a low power cpu such as a Turion or Pentium M.

To be honest I was disappointed with the launch but there are still models to come. Being first to market is part of the game, and AW did not inrodue anything new though they are quite nice however, you can find the same specs in about 100 models now.

Being out with the latest and greatest is the name of the game and I would like to see someone argue other regardless of R & D. The time to market is a while and there is ample time to test especially if you have the resources like AW has.

Now I am curious to see what they have up their sleeve next.
Yeah they have more new laptops coming. But what are the odds of one of the new laptops being Centrino based with a 7800?
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post #312 of 449
10/31/05 at 10:52pm
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Originally Posted by lilfields
I hate to tell you but that doesn't mean crap in gaming, the 7800 may turn off certain parts of the chip, but that's when it's IDLE. It likely pulls slightly more or even equal to that of it's predacessor (6800 Ultra mobile), I'm an nvidia fan but the chip shutting off certain parts will only make a difference in office applications. And considering you'd get the 7800 for gaming, it won't make a bit of difference.
Yeah, and though you get double the performance of the ultra, the power needed by the ultra, and the 7800 are way higher than the standard 6800go.

That's why you'd need a mobo swap for the upgrade from the earliest 7700.

I see the logic with AW's new line, and the 7700's will take care of the all out performance guys.
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post #313 of 449
10/31/05 at 10:53pm
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Originally Posted by ewolff
Yeah they have more new laptops coming. But what are the odds of one of the new laptops being Centrino based with a 7800?
I'm sure the answer is yes, but does the Centrino use a different socket than the p4, requiring a different motherboard?
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post #314 of 449
10/31/05 at 10:59pm
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Originally Posted by ewolff
I do game, and if you look at my desktop you will see that I am not concerned with getting state of the art components at the time they come out.

Look at it this way. I am going to make up a few numbers here, because I do not know how much Darth is paying for his Hypersonic.

My laptop is going to cost me 2200. It was going to be 2000, but I opted for the three year warranty. I am guessing Darth's laptop is going to cost around 4 grand. Right now both systems will play all games flawlessly. Now lets say in two years, I decide I want a new laptop. I sell mine on Ebay for 1,000 and buy a new one with current technology (not high end) for 2000. I now have a computer that is newer than Darth and I am ahead 1,000.

That's the problem I have with bleeding edge. Unless you pan on using the same system for 5 or 6 years, you are going to lose money on it.
I hear that. Only one of my five Alienware purchases was a fully blown machine, and that was a while ago and I'm still using it. P4 3.2/6800 ultra desktop.

It really is amazing what you can get from Alienware if you buy smart. Three of my machines were under $2000, and one of those included a monitor.

I'm going to really have to think about this. I was gonna buy an AMD/7800 laptop, but the 5700 would be more versatile. It is frustrating to have a laptop that won't run more than an hour on battery.

Please give us a detailed review of your machine once you receive it.
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post #315 of 449
10/31/05 at 11:36pm
Everything's so discombobulated now...
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post #316 of 449
10/31/05 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
I'm sure the answer is yes, but does the Centrino use a different socket than the p4, requiring a different motherboard?
Yeah, the new P4's are socket 775 whereas the Mobiles are socket 479. Asus made an adapter that allowed the mobiles run on a select few 478 boards, but that's about it. The chipsets are different too. Until recently, the mobile platforms did not support dual channel memory.


And thanks for merging all the topics Craig. It was a bitch following four different threads.
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post #317 of 449
10/31/05 at 11:51pm
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Originally Posted by ms82xp
discombobulated
College talk!



Zoid
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post #318 of 449
10/31/05 at 11:55pm
Okay so how good are these new computers on gaming? How is the video card and the CPU on gaming? I like the new lightweight design and I'm deciding if I should get it, maybe good by 766:P
also is the CPU 64 bit?
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post #319 of 449
11/1/05 at 12:09am
The mobiles are not 64 bit. Only the 6xx and 8xx P4 series are 64 bit.
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post #320 of 449
11/1/05 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by ms82xp
Everything's so discombobulated now...
I don't know where to begin reading, merging threads was a bad idea
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