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The Unofficial Sager "Arctic Silver" Guide

post #1 of 120
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Here it is friends, the "Arctic Silver" guide for our precious Sagers. I've also included a guide to lapping your heatsink, although this is not required. The pictures are of this procedure being performed on a model 5680. Enjoy!!!

For those of you completely new to this, Arctic Silver is a thermally conductive compound (in the form of a paste) that replaces the stock thermal pad inside our Sager notebooks. The thermal pad leaves room for improvement in the effeciency of the heat transfer from the P4 cpu to the heatspreader, so that's where Arctic Silver comes in. Please read over this guide fully before you start this project.

DISCLAIMER: I claim no responsiblity if you or anyone else causes damage to your notebook or the components contained within it while partaking in this project.

With that said, I feel that this project is fairly easy to do and provides a great benefit, considering that a cooler cpu is a longer-lasting cpu!!

So, let's get started shall we?

MATERIALS NEEDED

1. Arctic Silver
I will be using Arctic Silver III for this project, simply because I have a tube of it readily available. The latest release is Arctic Silver 5 and if I didn't already have my tube of AS3, I'd definitely order AS5. AS5 can be purchased at lots of different online retailers, and probably a few retail stores as well.
2. Good supply of Q-tips (I forgot to put these into the materials picture, but they are definitely needed)
3. Rubbing Alcohol (the higher percentage of alcohol the better....my bottle is 91% from a department store)
4. 1 Lint Free Cloth (I picked mine up from a department store in the eyeglasses section. It's just a $1 lint free lens cleaning cloth)
5. 1 Ziplock bag
6. Small Phillips Head Screwdriver
7. Plastic card (old credit card, membership card, etc. This is used to help remove the thermal pad from the heatspreader as well as spread AS onto the cpu)

IF LAPPING YOUR HEATSPREADER, YOU WILL NEED THESE ALSO:

8. Tape (masking tape, scotch tape, it doesn't really matter what kind of tape you use...only one variety is needed)
9. Sandpaper
Now, a little bit needs to be said about what type of sandpaper. I took a trip to my local department store and got 3M 800 and 1000 grit sandpaper. I would've bought a third (higher number such as 1200) grit but they were out of everything else. Whatever you get, make sure it's wet or dry sandpaper because you'll be wet-sanding the heatspreader. What seems to work well is to start with 600 grit and then proceed to 800, then finally 1000 grit. 1000 probably isn't necessary but it does give the heatspreader a great-looking mirror finish. I have went all out before and lapped a heatsink with 600,800,1000, and then 1200 to produce an excellent mirror finish. While looking extremely shiny, the benefit of lapping over 1000 grit is minimal aside from the cosmetic aspect.

10. A flat piece of glass
You will be lapping the heatspreader on this glass to insure a perfectly flat surface. I took a trip down to my local glass shop and put in an order for a 10"x10"x3/8" piece of glass with seamed edges (make sure the edges are seamed so that you don't get glass splinters from handling it). The cost was $7.
11. Small amount of water (to put on the sandpaper....lapping is wet-sanding)

Here's a materials picture (without Q-tips):



1. GETTING TO THE HEATSPREADER

This is the panel that we will be removing in order to gain access to the heatspreader and cpu:



Just remove the 3 screws that hold this panel on and then remove it:



2. REMOVING THE HEATSPREADER

To remove the heatspreader 4 screws have to be removed. I have circled these 4 screws in the provided picture of the heatspreader:



Remove the screws completely and set them aside. Now carefully remove the heatspreader from the compartment. Now the cpu is visible. If you've had your computer for a while, a SMALL amount of twisting might be required in order to break bond of the thermal pad to the cpu. Here's a picture of what the cpu looks like after the heatspreader is removed:



3. REMOVING THE THERMAL PAD

Looking at the bottom of the heatspreader, we now have our first look at the thermal pad. To remove it, slide your plastic card under it to pry the pad off bit by bit until the pad is completely off. Here's a picture of the thermal pad partially removed and another of the completely removed thermal pad next to the heatspreader:





4. CLEANING THE HEATSPREADER AND PROCESSOR

Here's where the good supply of Q-tips come in. Take a Q-tip and start cleaning the thermal pad remnants off of the heatspreader. Here's a picture of how clean I got the heatspreader using dry Q-tips alone:



When dry Q-tips won't clean the heatspreader anymore, pour a little of your rubbing alcohol into a small cup. Dip the Q-tips into the alchohol and start cleaning the heatspreader with these until the heatspreader is clean. Don't dip the Q-tips into the actual alcohol bottle because the next time someone gets a scrape you don't want to be cleansing it with alcohol mixed with part of a dissolved thermal pad (if you re-dip the Q-tips). Take your time with the cleaning. I probably used 25-40 Q-tips doing this, and I had to press down firmly a couple of times to get the thermal pad off as best as possible. Here's a picture of the heatspreader after being cleaned with alcohol + Q-tips:



To clean the cpu, repeat the exact same process. Clean with dry Q-tips until you have to start using rubbing alcohol to get the rest off. Here's a picture of the cpu after cleaning:



Nice and clean, isn't it? (NOTE: You can decide whether you want to remove the cpu for cleaning or not. I just left the cpu in the socket and was very careful not to let anything fall onto the motherboard. The thermal pad remnants stick to the Q-tips fairly well.)
If you are lapping your heatspreader, continue to the "LAPPING THE HEATSPREADER" step. If you are not lapping your heatspreader, continue to the "APPLYING ARCTIC SILVER" step now. I chose to lap the heatspreader because there are microscopic particles of the thermal pad still in the heatspreader that Q-tips and alcohol cannot remove. So, the logical thing to do is to remove an ultra-thin layer of metal off of the contact surface of the heatspreader, effectively removing the microscopic thermal pad particles with it. I also had another reason to lap the heatspreader: I wanted to see if the heatspreader was totally flat or not.


5. LAPPING THE HEATSPREADER

Take a strip of the lowest grit sandpaper you have purchased (800 for me), and use your tape to tape the sandpaper down onto the glass as shown. Take a bit of water and put it onto the sandpaper and spread it around with your finger. Take the heatspreader and start lapping the silver area of the heatspreader (the area that makes contact with the cpu), taking care not to lap the copper part of the heatspreader. Here's a picture of how the lapping activity should look:



Lap in a sideways figure 8 motion, slowly moving from one end of the sandpaper to the other end. When you feel that the grit has been removed from the sandpaper, replace the sheet of used sandpaper with a new sheet or go onto the next grit. Once you are done lapping, take a paper towel or napkin and dry the heatspreader. DON'T touch the lapped surface with your finger!!! I only used 1 sheet of 800 grit and then went onto 1 sheet of 1000 grit.
I concluded that my heatspreader was flat and that I had removed enough of the top layer and the thermal pad particles in it. If I had've used 2 sheets of 800 then moved onto 2 sheets of 1000, it probably would've been more efficient. Here's a picture that shows the reflection of a flashlight in the heatspreader after lapping:



We are now ready to apply the Arctic Silver.


6. APPLYING ARCTIC SILVER

Apply some Arctic Silver to the heatspreader as shown in the picture.
The amount of Arctic Silver in this picture is a bit smaller than a pea-sized amount:



Now take a plastic card and scoop up a small bit of the Arctic Silver (~10-15%) from the heatspreader and apply it to the cpu die. Use the plastic card to spread the Arctic Silver in a VERY VERY THIN layer on the cpu die. Less is more in this case!! Here's a picture of the cpu die with Arctic Silver spread on it:



Now the ziplock bag comes into play. Put the bag over your finger as shown in the picture:



Rub the Arctic Silver around on the heatspreader as shown:



The reason for using the ziplock bag is because you have to use your finger to spread the arctic silver around so that it gets into all the tiny microscopic spaces of the heatspreader, but at the same time using your finger would contaminate the surface with oils from your skin. These oils will hinder the heat transfer between the cpu and the heatspreader, so the bag protects the heatspreader surface from oils.
After the Arctic Silver has been rubbed in, take your lint free cloth and wipe the heatspreader as clean as you can using only the dry cloth. The product is a perfectly prepped heatspreader with Arctic Silver only where it needs to be: In the microscopic valleys of the heatspreader. Here's a picture of the heatspreader after it had been wiped clean with a dry lint free cloth:



We're now ready to re-assemble that which we've disassembled.


7. PUTTING IT ALL BACK TOGETHER

Re-assembly is the opposite of what we did to get to the cpu and heatspreader. Slide the heatspreader back into it's space as it was before you removed it, then screw in the 4 spring-loaded screws which clamp the heatspreader to the cpu. Once completed, screw the chassis panel back on with the 3 screws you set aside earlier, and you're all set!



If you've followed the instructions in this guide correctly, your cpu temperature will be lower under load due to the better thermal conductivity of Arctic Silver compared to the stock thermal pad, effectively extending the life of your processor! I hope everyone enjoys this guide. Feel free to comment or ask questions. A special thanks goes out to Henrik who graciously hosted all the pictures for me.
post #2 of 120
Ge|atinousFury, YOU DA MAN!!!!!

This is absolutely awesome. Thank you so much. I will probably be looking at applying AS when time comes for a major clean up.

Thanks again.

Mikhail
post #3 of 120
this is an awesome guide. before I start, I want to know if this violates the warranty...
post #4 of 120
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the compliments!

About this violating the warranty, others including myself asked that question in this thread and we got the answer that it would not void the warranty.
post #5 of 120
Wow, simply awesome! Well done! I wish I had done this the last time I had my laptop apart.
post #6 of 120
Excellent!! Very well written and photographed indeed!!

I hope this gets more people to try it out themselves...it really makes a difference...

I used chemical etching to get the same results and remove the oxide layer but this is just as effective and there is probably no difference in effectiveness...I was just b eing stupid and brave as usual

KUDOS to Gelatin
post #7 of 120
Wow! Nice job Gel'! Publish this puppy around the 'net.
post #8 of 120
This guide actually gives me the confidence to open up my machine and do this, something I had before been reluctant to do. Thanks man

EDIT: I call for this thread to me made sticky please
post #9 of 120
Great guide...I never would have tried this before, but I just may at some point after this.

I just have one question though - does anyone have any feedback regarding the overheating of GPUs after this procedure? I seem to remember someone saying that the temperature sensor was on the CPU, so as a result of the better cooling after application of AS, the GPU may get too hot at times (i.e. our Sagers may keep pushing themselves past the limit of the GPU, detecting the lower CPU temperature but not the higher GPU temp).
post #10 of 120
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Quote:
Originally Posted by teddycamao
Great guide...I never would have tried this before, but I just may at some point after this.

I just have one question though - does anyone have any feedback regarding the overheating of GPUs after this procedure? I seem to remember someone saying that the temperature sensor was on the CPU, so as a result of the better cooling after application of AS, the GPU may get too hot at times (i.e. our Sagers may keep pushing themselves past the limit of the GPU, detecting the lower CPU temperature but not the higher GPU temp).
I think I understand this question, but on the other hand I might be mistaken. The GPU was built to not overheat while running at regular speeds, so for the GPU to overheat something is going to have to be running out of spec. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that the cpu/gpu throttling (if the gpu even self-throttles at all) will never throttle the cpu/gpu to any speed over the stock setting. When the thermal sensor detects a cpu or gpu running at lower temperature and the xxxx mhz processor or gpu is running full speed at xxxx mhz already, it won't auto overclock the processor/gpu. Once again this totally might not be answering your question, so let me know if I'm missing something.
post #11 of 120
It was me that reported this phenomena in this post. Luckily I was wrong, it turned out to be my mouse drivers that hang the computer when gaming. I had bought a new mouse at the same time as I bought AS. Never change two things about your computer at the same time, it makes error searching more difficult.
post #12 of 120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henrik
Never change two things about your computer at the same time, it makes error searching more difficult.
How true is that...
post #13 of 120
Wow, AWESOME
post #14 of 120
Glad to hear it...thanks for clearing that one up guys.
post #15 of 120
I just did my old 5620. Changed the CPU from 1.8P4 to 2.4P4. See different already. I follow the setps and it was great. Great job on publishing this. I am going to wait for alittle bid to do the heat sink in my 5630. I use my 5620 for home usage and some gamming. My 5680 is for work only, don't like to mix work with pleasure. Again, thanks for the article.
post #16 of 120
Really great post. I think this should maybe be copied into the review section or something.
post #17 of 120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag
...I call for this thread to me made sticky please

I second that.
post #18 of 120
great photos, made it clear as day. i had done all this stuff on desktop pcs before but was reluctant to do it on a "desknote" such as my 4780. upon opening it, i was a bit disheartened to find out that my heatsink is around 1/2 the size of yours... the other "half" of the duct is taken up by this little black box.. i dont know what it is. it would really be great if they could fully extend that heatsink so i wouldnt have to worry about this thing getting so hot i got it all apart, cleaned the goo off (quite a pain) applied my last scrapings of as3, bolted it all together, and prayed while i booted. so far so good.
post #19 of 120
Sticky anyone?
post #20 of 120
Great post! Having done this some myself, I have a couple of things to say. These fall into the realm of personal preference, and should be taken as such.

I use Goof-Off to clean the thermal paste off of the heat sinks. I find that it works a lot faster (and better) than rubbing alcohol. You need to be careful, however, and make sure that you are not using an oil-based cleaner! (I think Goof-Off is a Xylitol based cleaner, but I might be sniffing too much Goof-off.) To be safe, you should probably limit yourself to either rubbing alcohol or Goof-Off.

Also, I have used both plastic baggies and saran-wrap (plastic wrap) to spread the AS around. I like the saran-wrap better because it fits my finger better (more tightly), and provides more tactile feedback (think big mitten versus thin glove).

To use saran-wrap, tear off a bit of saranwrap, place your index finger in the middle of it, pull up the edges, and clamp them with your thumb and middle finger. Just be careful not to touch the outside surface of the wrap! (If people want a picture, I'll see what I can do - it's really quite simple and, when you do it, natural.)

Lens paper can also be used to remove the excess AS, but it does not work as well as the lint-free cloth.

Again, this is a great post! These are just slightly different manners to accomplish the exact same thing. Do what works best for you.
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