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post #101 of 565
not so far, i could run 3dmark fine with vid1&2
post #102 of 565
Hrm...well I let Prime95 run overnight and there were no errors, so I'm perfectly stable using the default thermal pad w/1.8@2.4 and 1.436V...of course, my CPU tops out at around 91C, heh...idles at ~32C and games at ~68-70...doesn't crash, though...

I will certainly pop it back open later and do the AS5 thing while cutting back the voltage, if it's really that important; still, just to clarify one final time:

1. Definitely pull off the thermal 'sticker' that everyone calls a 'pad' stuck to the heat sink.

2. Definitely scrape all the excess 'sticky' left over from this thing off of the heatsink with an x-acto knife.

3. Apply AS5 as usual (rubbing into heatsink and smearing micro-thin layer on core of CPU only).

4. Definitely DO NOT scrape off the 'beeswax' coating from the top of the core before applying AS5, as it is this coating that holds the core onto the package, correct?

I am most concerned about #4, as it is the only one that is not self-evident from having worked for years with desktop CPUs...usually, the core in the center of the package is shiny and silver...Pentium-M cores are coated with greenish/brownish hardened 'beeswax' goo, which you are saying actually holds the core there, yes? TIA.
post #103 of 565
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr9865
not so far, i could run 3dmark fine with vid1&2
So none of the voltages that I have given you have yet to be stable? In this case I would ground VID 3 only and use an undervolting program to test for stable voltages. While this will do nothing for your stock 1.340v, you can use an undervolting program (CHC, RMClock, etc.) to select voltages between 1.324v and 1.212v, and, because of the pin mod, these will actually be voltages between 1.452v and 1.340v. So, selecting 1.324v will give you an actual 1.452v, 1.306v will give you an actual 1.436v, etc etc. Start off high and keep bringing it lower until you find what's the lowest you can go while being stable. Afterwards, you can then permanently voltage mod your CPU via pin mods so that it will always be stable and not dependent on an undervolting program.

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Originally Posted by hammermd
Hrm...well I let Prime95 run overnight and there were no errors, so I'm perfectly stable using the default thermal pad w/1.8@2.4 and 1.436V...of course, my CPU tops out at around 91C, heh...idles at ~32C and games at ~68-70...doesn't crash, though...

I will certainly pop it back open later and do the AS5 thing while cutting back the voltage, if it's really that important; still, just to clarify one final time:

1. Definitely pull off the thermal 'sticker' that everyone calls a 'pad' stuck to the heat sink.

2. Definitely scrape all the excess 'sticky' left over from this thing off of the heatsink with an x-acto knife.

3. Apply AS5 as usual (rubbing into heatsink and smearing micro-thin layer on core of CPU only).

4. Definitely DO NOT scrape off the 'beeswax' coating from the top of the core before applying AS5, as it is this coating that holds the core onto the package, correct?

I am most concerned about #4, as it is the only one that is not self-evident from having worked for years with desktop CPUs...usually, the core in the center of the package is shiny and silver...Pentium-M cores are coated with greenish/brownish hardened 'beeswax' goo, which you are saying actually holds the core there, yes? TIA.
91C is still within the thermal specification of the chip, but it will eventually kill it much sooner than cooler temps will. The CPU core should look like a silvery, shiny rectangular shaped block in the center of the green ceramic. It should be about 1cmx2cm (roughly). Any "beeswax" on the top of it is the left over crap from that thermal sticker/pad. In either case, NEVER use any kind of metal object to clean it, as it can scrape and damage the heatsink and the CPU core. Rather, use a lint free cloth or q-tip soaked in isoprophly alcohol (any kind will do, but 91%+ is best) to clean away the black sticky TIM. After both surfaces are cleaned, apply as you have stated and you should be good to go .
post #104 of 565
Ok i guess this is it, here comes video 3
post #105 of 565
Quote:
Originally Posted by hammermd
Hrm...well I let Prime95 run overnight and there were no errors, so I'm perfectly stable using the default thermal pad w/1.8@2.4 and 1.436V...of course, my CPU tops out at around 91C, heh...idles at ~32C and games at ~68-70...doesn't crash, though...

I will certainly pop it back open later and do the AS5 thing while cutting back the voltage, if it's really that important; still, just to clarify one final time:

1. Definitely pull off the thermal 'sticker' that everyone calls a 'pad' stuck to the heat sink.

2. Definitely scrape all the excess 'sticky' left over from this thing off of the heatsink with an x-acto knife.

3. Apply AS5 as usual (rubbing into heatsink and smearing micro-thin layer on core of CPU only).

4. Definitely DO NOT scrape off the 'beeswax' coating from the top of the core before applying AS5, as it is this coating that holds the core onto the package, correct?

I am most concerned about #4, as it is the only one that is not self-evident from having worked for years with desktop CPUs...usually, the core in the center of the package is shiny and silver...Pentium-M cores are coated with greenish/brownish hardened 'beeswax' goo, which you are saying actually holds the core there, yes? TIA.
You never know but you may even be stable at stock voltage with some good thermal compound on there as reusing a pad is definatly not a good thing.
post #106 of 565
hey sorry i haven't written in a while but i've been busy. You asked about my temps and here they are:
high stress idle
gpu: 89 48
cpu: 80 46 High stress is taken after an hour in source sdk.
3dmark05 :3336

just as a side note friday was the aniversery of the first pc virus.
post #107 of 565
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ikilledkenny2
hey sorry i haven't written in a while but i've been busy. You asked about my temps and here they are:
high stress idle
gpu: 89 48
cpu: 80 46 High stress is taken after an hour in source sdk.
3dmark05 :3336
Your CPU temps are WAY too high, that's what's causing your problems. Look into getting some Arctic Silver 5 or similar high quality thermal paste and removing that stock thermal sticker that Dell uses, you should see a dramatic difference in temps and performance. Also, was that 3DMark05 score on battery or A/C? 3336 for a 7800GTX is insanely low .
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Originally Posted by ikilledkenny2
just as a side note friday was the aniversery of the first pc virus.
Good thing there was no anniversary attack , any idea of what year it was?
post #108 of 565
Ok Mr. K6, I pretty sure I'm stable now. I figured I'd try everything again just to make sure I did everything correct. So i tested with just the pin mod, prime only lasted 3 minutes, so the same results as before. Next I tried video 1 and 2 again and that seems to be doing the trick. Prime has been running since 3:30 yesterday! I must have done something wrong before, anyway it’s always good to double-check everything. Thanks a bunch for the help~!
post #109 of 565
first of all i don't have a 7800gtx I have 6800go. though i am thinking about buying one if i can get it for under $250. my 3dmark scores are on ac. I am going to redo the 3d mark test in a lower resolution.

here is the link to the pc virus article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4630910.stm
post #110 of 565
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr9865
Ok Mr. K6, I pretty sure I'm stable now. I figured I'd try everything again just to make sure I did everything correct. So i tested with just the pin mod, prime only lasted 3 minutes, so the same results as before. Next I tried video 1 and 2 again and that seems to be doing the trick. Prime has been running since 3:30 yesterday! I must have done something wrong before, anyway it’s always good to double-check everything. Thanks a bunch for the help~!
Glad it's working

Quote:
Originally Posted by ikilledkenny2
first of all i don't have a 7800gtx I have 6800go. though i am thinking about buying one if i can get it for under $250. my 3dmark scores are on ac. I am going to redo the 3d mark test ina a lower resolution.

here is the link to the pc virus article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4630910.stm
In that case, everything is spot on, but do make sure you get some good thermal paste on that CPU, otherwise you'll run into problems down the road. Thanks for the article, funny how times have changed
post #111 of 565
Thanks for all the advice and all the high quality guides!
post #112 of 565
OK. I have just bought a used 1.8GHz dothan 745 on eBay and tried pin modding it. I first grounded vid0 and vid1 - bios recognised the CPU as 2.4GHz, but could not boot (Windows errors). So the next time I just grounded vid2 (being the next increment up in voltage) - again the bios recognises the CPU, but still won't load Windows.

Can you guys please give me a hint on where I should go from here - should I sell this chip back on eBay and buy a new one, or keep experimenting with different voltages until I go mad or it works?

Cheers, Moses 2000.
post #113 of 565
Thread Starter 
whooaaa, grounding pins sequentially has nothing to do with adding more voltage. Read the charts in the first post of the thread. The six VID switches (VID0-VID5) give you voltage according to their up down positions, much like tumblers in a lock. What position you put them is what determines voltage. Have you tried just booting without any vid mods? If you can, find out what your stock voltage is and get back to me and I'll help you out from there .
post #114 of 565
Thanks Mr. K6. I will have another go tonight Australian time and post the results (my wife and kids keep getting in the road of all of my 9300's parts...)

Cheers.
post #115 of 565
Ok. I removed the Vid mods, and just left in the one between pins C15 and C16 (is this OK?). Bios shows the CPU running at 2.4Ghz, but I still can't boot.

Windows says:
Windows could not start because the following file is missing: \Windows\System32\Config\System
You can attempt to repair this file by starting Windows Setup using the original Setup CD-ROM.
Select 'r' at the first screen to start repair.

When I put the Setup DVD in and reboot I get the message:
CDBOOT : Memory Overflow Error

Where should I go from here?
post #116 of 565
Thread Starter 
Try booting with it without the pin-mod (so that it's at 1.8GHz) just so that it's stable so that you can make sure that your Windows install wasn't corrupted by a bad bootup.
post #117 of 565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. K6
Try booting with it without the pin-mod (so that it's at 1.8GHz) just so that it's stable so that you can make sure that your Windows install wasn't corrupted by a bad bootup.
Ok Mr K6. I have now booted into windows without any pin-mods.

CHC Reports at 600MHz voltage as 0.988V, and at 1800MHz as 1.340V.
post #118 of 565
Thread Starter 
Ok, and you said that grounding VID0 and VID1 (E2 - E3 and F1 - F2), which would give you 1.388v, and it still wouldn't boot? Crap, that might mean you have a shitty chip. Try grounding VID0, VID1 and VID2 (to give you 1.452v) and see if you can boot. Lemme know how it goes .
post #119 of 565
I made an app in C++/CLI (messing around with the new winform designer) a while ago to help me voltmod my 745. I cleaned it up and added the tables for the other procs in a bit of spare time, and i figure you guys could find it useful.

It requires the 2.0 Framework, no installer or anything, just an exe.

you can get it at http://discord.anarchs.com/TrueVolt.exe
post #120 of 565
To clarify what it does, it lets you choose VID pins to ground and shows you the resulting voltages, for your processor and vid line input, and the entire table too.

Here's a screenshot:
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