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When will the Powerbook with the Intel chip be out?

post #1 of 47
11/2/05 at 10:55pm
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When will it be out?
Also, what differences will the Powerbook with the Intel chip have that it dosent have now?
WIll it be-able to run all PC programs and games?
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post #2 of 47
11/3/05 at 2:25am
Probably not until this time next year.

The differences will be a Pentium M instead of a G4 chip and better video, most assuredly PCI Express based.

Apple has said they will not prohibit the running of Windows on Intel Macs, but expect the hardware to be much different from a standard PC so Windows will not run without hacks.
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post #3 of 47
11/3/05 at 11:15am
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Does this mean that Apple will have more Virus' and not run as well?
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post #4 of 47
11/3/05 at 11:40am
nope, viruses aren't dependent on the chipset but on the OS. So still virus and spyware free.

The main differences with the intel chips will be that systems will be faster, and notebooks will run longer and cooler. I can't wait for them to be released.
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post #5 of 47
11/4/05 at 2:19am
theoretically yes, but the current G4s run @ ~14w while the PMs run @ ~25, so i'm curious to see how the PMs will come out ahead in the endurance tests.
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post #6 of 47
11/4/05 at 11:13am
As for running windows, Apple is going to use EFI on shipping machines instead of BIOS. Windows XP support is a maybe. Vista will run fine as it has support for EFI.
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post #7 of 47
11/4/05 at 11:32am
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Just curious, will the Apple OS be able to run on Windows then?
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post #8 of 47
11/4/05 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by jrdonjar0591
Just curious, will the Apple OS be able to run on Windows then?

Yeah I'd like to know that.
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post #9 of 47
11/4/05 at 1:21pm
The Apple OS will not be able to run windows as its a completely different operating system. If it could run windows programs, why would anyone bother programming for OSX? If you want to run windows programs you either need to buy the presumed intel version of Virtual PC or just boot into windows. Apple won't stop you, but they aren't going to have the hardware Microsoft certified or give support to those using windows on Apple hardware. There's also the possibility that Apple will use a custom chipset instead of one supplied by intel. In that case windows drivers would have to be created. Look, we know pretty much what you do. Steve Jobs is fanatical about keeping his exact plans and time tables secret.
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post #10 of 47
11/5/05 at 3:15am
Apple announced that you could run windows but it is not encouraged...
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post #11 of 47
11/5/05 at 8:16pm
*whistles innocently*

Anyhow, regarding Windows compatibility, A great methods looks to beone Linux users have been using for a while called Wine. DarWine is a port of Wine to Darwin, the underlying Unix layer of OS X. This should allow seamless running of Windows programs inside OS X on an Intel based Mac. There will likely be some speedbumps, but it is very promising.

Beyond that, Intel will be putting technology into the CPU to help enable systems to run multiple operating systems at the same time. Think of it this way. You boot your Intel based Mac, select to start OS X and Windows XP, then hit a key combo to switch between the two. Hard to say if or when this will work, but based on Intel's timetables the technology will be in every Intel CPU by the end of 2006 I believe.
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post #12 of 47
11/6/05 at 9:25am
I don't know. My future plans are to be able to completely rid myself of windows, not run it concurrently.
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post #13 of 47
11/7/05 at 2:07am
Actually, it would be cool if you can run windows along with apple's OS on a mac, then I'll be able to play any game that I want, while still having apple os to do everything else. But, eh, I'm still going to get it the mactels whether they can run windows or not.
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post #14 of 47
11/7/05 at 3:40am
Hmm. Except for the OS, you can get everything Mactel will offer today barring future dual core mobiles which no one has yet. If you are willing to put some hard work in, you put together a superior laptop OS with linux.

The only reason I can see for paying the Apple premium today is to get the stylish looking hardware. Otherwise it performs worse, has less support, and is an even more proprietary platform than even windows.
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post #15 of 47
11/7/05 at 4:22am
I thought Apples got virus' too.
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post #16 of 47
11/7/05 at 5:11am
There are currently no known OS X viruses in the wild.
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post #17 of 47
11/7/05 at 9:24am
actually there are... but the chances of damaging ur system bad enuff is close to zit
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post #18 of 47
11/7/05 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by havocide
actually there are... but the chances of damaging ur system bad enuff is close to zit
could u clarify? i think kakaze meant that while theer have been a few over the history of the Mac, they aren't currently being spread.

seeing as how those "viruses" all require u to manually authorize their execution even if u r an admin, u r correct in the assertion that you're highly unlikely to get it, if in fact it got on your system.
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post #19 of 47
11/7/05 at 7:32pm
There are and have been viruses for Classic OS, but the only thing I ever heard of for OS X was some worm that fizzled out several years ago. Hence: there are no known viruses for OS X.
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post #20 of 47
11/8/05 at 10:53pm
OS X is well equipped to prevent the spread of virii, but there are none currently. A very attractive feature, if simply for the saved RAM from not having to run an AV program all the time.
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