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post #21 of 38
11/8/05 at 3:38am
I'm trying to see if reading the temperature in another program gets a different result. It's the same in Everest and Speedfan, but that's no surprise. I'm now trying MBM 5 but I need to know the model of the motherboard. Does anyone know? Unfortunately the BIOS string ID flashes too quickly for me to get anything, or even hit pause.

Are there any other temperature monitoring programs out there? (ATI Tool doesn't show the temperatures, btw)
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post #22 of 38
11/8/05 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by g2p07
I am sorry guys there is no way the gpu is getting anywhere near 100 without meting or smoking. The readings are definetly faulty. 75C is the max for ati as i recall reading some time ago. The util you are using is not reporting right
Everest shows the GPU fan off until Aux2 gets up to about 54C. Aux2 idles at 62C and maxes out around 95C. If I take control of the GPU with Everest, I can turn it on full and get Aux2 to come down to around 50C. It sure seems to me to be representative of GPU temperature. I could be way off though.
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post #23 of 38
11/9/05 at 12:23am
Weird. Using Speedfan, I ran the GPU fan at full and the temperature leveled off at 68. With the fan at a quiet 35% it would creep up to 80-85 during surfing, etc. Now that I have a cooling pad it never tops 65 or 66 while surfing with the fan at 35%, and hovers around 85 during gaming (down from over 110). Eddie would say that's still too high to be realistic, so I don't know what's going on.
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post #24 of 38
11/9/05 at 3:04am
110C or F. 110C on a gpu is IMPOSIBLE. There is no gpu out there that withstands these temps on a laptop. The reading is wrong but hey i am not reading a book so i can be wrong but i would bet my beat up car on it
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post #25 of 38
11/9/05 at 12:50pm
well, that means we're back to the starting point of not knowing what the aux reading actually is. Eddie, is there ANYTHING on a notebook that could get that high without causing permanent damage, or do you think it's a completely faulty reading?
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post #26 of 38
11/9/05 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by g2p07
110C or F. 110C on a gpu is IMPOSIBLE. There is no gpu out there that withstands these temps on a laptop. The reading is wrong but hey i am not reading a book so i can be wrong but i would bet my beat up car on it
Celsius. Don't worry, I believe you that it's a faulty reading.

But I'm confident it's reading something on or near the GPU. On top of gaming, the temperature increases during activities that only put pressure on the GPU, like the racecar scene in CCC or the fuzzy cube in ATI Tool (which I thought did temperature readings but I guess not).
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post #27 of 38
11/9/05 at 5:58pm
I have seen some of the m6n's get up in like 107C but those mainboards had some bios issues even though they were extremely successfull. There is nothing there on the nb that can get that hot. If your gpu reaches past 80C it would a HUGE surprise to me. Just think that 110C is. That is a whopping 10C above boiling. Which means that if touch the heatsink on the gpu of the z71v you will burn your finger. Dont matter if you have a air contidioner attached to it. You will burn your finger if you touch that heatsink. Try touching a hot cpu heatsink that gets up in the 80c. Thats hot. 110C is scolding hot you will burn ur flesh. Aside from that no there are no gpu's or cpu's that withstand more then 100C. Especially gpu's. You can punch holes in my theory all day long but 110C is a faulty reading. Which brings us back to the original claim of poor cooling on the z71v. Why do people say that?
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post #28 of 38
11/9/05 at 6:00pm
Look at the stock reading on the gpu when not gaming. It should be around 40C or so. If it is not then its a faulty reading. On a side note every single one of these utils casue nothing but problems for me. This guy has his cpu reading wrong, that guy has ram reading incorrect, this one has overheating something and that one has bad fan. All of these 3rd party utils suck. Even chc. I use chc and love it alot but its screws up stability. Only reason i use it is becuase it really works wonders on battery life.
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post #29 of 38
11/9/05 at 6:24pm
Nobody's trying to punch holes in your theories...we're all just trying to get to the bottom of this. I remember reading somewhere that Aux is GPU but it reports on average 12C too high. I don't know if there was any evidence to back it up.
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post #30 of 38
11/9/05 at 6:44pm
110C while gaming is atleast 30C too high. I wasnt asking if you were punching holes in it i was challenging someone to find some. Would require a bit of searching though. Both ati and nvidia have whitepapers for the products. Its out there. Just have to look.
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post #31 of 38
11/9/05 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by Grarrg
I already tried applying Artic Silver 5 to the CPU, GPU and chipset..
Temperature aside, but was it rebooting before you applied the AS5 also? I found that on my z71v, when I applied a thin layer of thermal grease to replace the thermal pad, the heatsink no longer touches the GPU even when secured down. The original thermal pad is a good deal thicker than a layer of thermal grease. Consequently, because of the lack of contact between the heatsink and gpu, the machine would reboot due to overheating.

I then modified the heatsink so that it would come into better contact with the gpu, which is described in this thread:
http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=114668

This may not be the cause of your problem, but it may be worth looking into. But I would not recommend modding your heatsink, a phase change thermal pad would be safer and easier, maybe 1mm or so thick. It's not as good as AS5, but it's a no hassle solution.
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post #32 of 38
11/9/05 at 7:04pm
After a bit the gpu would just burn up. You ran it stable without the thermal pad you mean? Lucky you. Didnt think that was posible.
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post #33 of 38
11/9/05 at 9:48pm
Well, I wouldn't call it stable. I could tell right away that the heatsink wasn't situated correctly. It still made contact with the gpu but barely, when I pulled the heatsink off, I noticed the grease only partially covered the die. But yeah, I'm rather lucky that it didn't turn to toast.

But either way, it's been my experience that it the whole setup wasn't designed to be replaced with thermal grease, when it's completely stock, there simply isn't enough pressure to be effective. Because the graphics card is modular and the anchors that the card rests on are rather far from the die, it kind of "gives" a little when the heatsink presses down on it, unlike the CPU which is practically resting on the motherboard.
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post #34 of 38
11/9/05 at 11:00pm
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Originally Posted by g2p07
110C while gaming is atleast 30C too high. I wasnt asking if you were punching holes in it i was challenging someone to find some. Would require a bit of searching though. Both ati and nvidia have whitepapers for the products. Its out there. Just have to look.
Yeah, that definitely crossed my mind. I couldn't find anything so I contacted ATI tech support, and like I said before, the answer I got from "RickC" was "If the temperature is going past 100C it is getting too hot." Yeah, it's disappointing, they wouldn't just give me a straightup figure from the whitepaper (which is what I asked for). It doesn't really answer anything, in fact. "Too hot" could mean "too hot to run" or "not favorable"...and "going past 100C" doesn't even address the actual specification. Oh well.
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post #35 of 38
11/15/05 at 1:33pm
Im gonna be attempting a new mod using canadian 98% copper pennies to fill the gap between the GPU and the heatsink. My earlier mod works but doesnt completely cover the gap considering the northbridge part of the heatsink cant be grinded down a lot.

Stay tuned!
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post #36 of 38
11/15/05 at 5:44pm
Most you get is maybee 10C tops. The 6600 cores as i recall reaches a top of 75C. Like i said the temps over 100C....I dont know what it is but there is nothing in the z71v that reaches anywhere near those temps.
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post #37 of 38
11/22/05 at 2:54am
This notebook is freaking killing me First my battery now my notebook seems to be rebooting after an hour of gaming! WTF.

I have the Everest utility and will monitor gpu and cpu temp.

It just started this today

Sorry to thread jack but I didnt want to start another for the same problem.
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post #38 of 38
2/23/06 at 5:22pm
i would not rule out 110C for a video card still, nVidia rates their desktop cards to 135 degrees and I accidentally ran a 5800 ultra without fully screwing down the heatsink and saw 123 once..., until the whole screen became filled with lines and i hit the power switch
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