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post #21 of 34
11/13/05 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by thelostpatrol
Don't know about what model you saw from Toshiba especially but when I sit in the third row of a 40+ person classroom, the people I know at the back occasionally tell me to stop playin minesweeper. They're not always directly behind me either, so the screen is obviously good. But my unit is one of the higher-end ones. However I've seen a low end Tosh unit with a great screen too, so I don't know if I fully aree.

M.
it was my friends, not sure waht model it was but it was a sub-1000 dollar one a few years ago.
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post #22 of 34
11/13/05 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by havocide
that's because apple refrains from using glossy screens like the other laptop makers... they appear to look better but aren't exactly better... glossy screens are seriously horrid for design work...
BS, thats like saying two button mice are bad for design work. when something innovative happens in the pc world, apple never plays catchup. they wait a while and then make a big deal out of it(*cough* USB2, mighty mouse, mp3 players in general). apple can give people a CHOICE between glossy and matte, or possibly make hte ibooks glossy and the powerbooks not. even though glossys are bad for certain tasks, they are GREAT for living hte "digital lifestyle".

trust me on this, when every pc manufacturer switches to glossy displays within the next couple of years, apple will follow. of course, they well be calling them superpowermightytru-xbrightcolorawesomeglossy lcds.
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post #23 of 34
11/14/05 at 8:30am
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even though glossys are bad for certain tasks, they are GREAT for living the "digital lifestyle".
thank for the opinion. personally i think they suck for pretty much everything, and i hope that there is always an option to have a "matte" screen.
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post #24 of 34
11/17/05 at 12:09am
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Originally Posted by drizek
BS, thats like saying two button mice are bad for design work. when something innovative happens in the pc world, apple never plays catchup. they wait a while and then make a big deal out of it(*cough* USB2, mighty mouse, mp3 players in general). apple can give people a CHOICE between glossy and matte, or possibly make hte ibooks glossy and the powerbooks not. even though glossys are bad for certain tasks, they are GREAT for living hte "digital lifestyle".

trust me on this, when every pc manufacturer switches to glossy displays within the next couple of years, apple will follow. of course, they well be calling them superpowermightytru-xbrightcolorawesomeglossy lcds.
that isn't bullshit... for designers where colours are critical u don't want ur display to enhance it... u just want accurate colours... its just like for DJs and their studio monitors... they will never ever get gaming surround speakers cuz the speakers themselves enhances the sound and isn't an accurate representation of the real sound...

and if u seriously want to do design work... u don't use a mouse... u get a tablet...
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post #25 of 34
11/17/05 at 8:49pm
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Originally Posted by havocide
that isn't bullshit... for designers where colours are critical u don't want ur display to enhance it... u just want accurate colours... its just like for DJs and their studio monitors... they will never ever get gaming surround speakers cuz the speakers themselves enhances the sound and isn't an accurate representation of the real sound...

and if u seriously want to do design work... u don't use a mouse... u get a tablet...
let me quote myself

"even though glossys are bad for certain tasks, they are GREAT for living hte "digital lifestyle"."

'apple can give people a CHOICE between glossy and matte"

"possibly make hte ibooks glossy and the powerbooks not"

i never said they were better for design work. but they are better for 95% of people who want to just use their computer to browse the web and listen to music.
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post #26 of 34
11/18/05 at 1:25am
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Originally Posted by drizek
let me quote myself

"even though glossys are bad for certain tasks, they are GREAT for living hte "digital lifestyle"."

'apple can give people a CHOICE between glossy and matte"

"possibly make hte ibooks glossy and the powerbooks not"

i never said they were better for design work. but they are better for 95% of people who want to just use their computer to browse the web and listen to music.
You are forgetting something. How thin are apple notebooks????? Yea 1inch, so inorder to make those higher resolution, glossy screens it requires an increase in thickness and then fundomentally impacts battery life. Therefore, you have to completly redesign the chasis to make it thicker; then you got your self a 7.5-8lb powerbook that is 1.5inch thick. Dontforget that the battery would have to be much bigger to support its high bright screen. The screens used by the powerbooks now are more than perfect and the screens are above average. Hey I would prefeer a 1inch powerbook that is 5lbs and have 4 hours of battery while websurfing
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post #27 of 34
11/18/05 at 1:44am
Yea 1 inch, so inorder to make those higher resolution, glossy screens it requires an increase in thickness and then fundomentally impacts battery life."



Uhhhh.....Sony's that is less than half an inch at 10.6 seems to do fine, so does the TR3A at 10.6. Wait...I seem to recall the 2 Sony models at 12" are also like this. Oh, wait...just one more, the Dell 700M, whoops, lets not forget that one either.

Please don't use baseless facts when comparing, its unfair to other manufactors.

-fin
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post #28 of 34
11/18/05 at 5:50pm
ya im noticing these glowing bad backlit laptops what is going on here. the only viable screens im seeeing are most 17 inch pc laptops and sony, the apple 15 inch seems like an ok screen if it werent for the price. Whats going on, did dell mess up the notebook business that bad?
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post #29 of 34
11/19/05 at 12:47am
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Originally Posted by fintheman
Yea 1 inch, so inorder to make those higher resolution, glossy screens it requires an increase in thickness and then fundomentally impacts battery life."



Uhhhh.....Sony's that is less than half an inch at 10.6 seems to do fine, so does the TR3A at 10.6. Wait...I seem to recall the 2 Sony models at 12" are also like this. Oh, wait...just one more, the Dell 700M, whoops, lets not forget that one either.

Please don't use baseless facts when comparing, its unfair to other manufactors.

-fin
That sony notebok gets extremly hot and loud, as reviews have backed up my claims. Also they mention very poor viewing angles and the screen being glossy; therefore making it almost impossible to view it outdoors. Apple Lcd are one of the best and will remain the best in the industry as they lead in deisgn and set standards. Maybe "asus" can copy that one.
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post #30 of 34
11/19/05 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by drizek
BS, thats like saying two button mice are bad for design work. when something innovative happens in the pc world, apple never plays catchup. they wait a while and then make a big deal out of it(*cough* USB2, mighty mouse, mp3 players in general). apple can give people a CHOICE between glossy and matte, or possibly make hte ibooks glossy and the powerbooks not. even though glossys are bad for certain tasks, they are GREAT for living hte "digital lifestyle".

trust me on this, when every pc manufacturer switches to glossy displays within the next couple of years, apple will follow. of course, they well be calling them superpowermightytru-xbrightcolorawesomeglossy lcds.
"Apple iMac G6: With new iVision screens!"

Then Steve Jobs will tell us how it's "even thinner!" and how the monitor is so great and unlike anything you're seeing on a PC at the time (not mentioning that it's 'cause it's already been done), yadda yadda.

And to all those confused people on here saying they're not good for design work: BULLSHIT. The colours are truer to what is actually programmed, light doesn't diffuse on them as it does on matte screens thus applying a de-facto type of 'screen' effect (Photoshop guys will know what I mean) and I could go on. Also, they're better for your eyes as they don't cause as much strain when viewing--this is something that has been written about... look it up.

As I've said many times before--many of those who say they dislike gloss do so because they don't want to feel obsolete. When they purchase gloss screens you get converts.

M.
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post #31 of 34
11/19/05 at 7:22pm
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any of those who say they dislike gloss do so because they don't want to feel obsolete. When they purchase gloss screens you get converts.
um yeah.... try again. if u knew photoshop and anything about color correction u'd know that it's best done (currently) on a high end CRT monitor. u could say that they have "glossy" screens, but then u'd have to talk about the screen filters that some put on them to reduce glare (making them more matte-like) while others use hoods on the monitors to eliminate unneeded light and glare. it's not an issue of gloss w/ re: to LCDs, gloss doesn't give u a more accurate color representation. current LCDs (even high end desktop ones) are pretty limited in their RGB spectrum, it's just a limitation of the technology. the glossy notebooks can give u the impression u r seeing "better" color, but that's not the case.

here's a decent article on the limitations of LCD technology, matte and glossy aside.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/dis...028/index.html
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post #32 of 34
5/23/06 at 12:40am
@Laptop<3. Actually the V6VA is only about 1inch thin and I can tell you the screen is one of the best. The screen is also very thin. Go check up what IPS is... Your claims you need thick screen to produce good images is not true.
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post #33 of 34
5/23/06 at 5:03am
old Thread Alert !
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post #34 of 34
7/10/06 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by jpca
Beautiful, perfect screens do exist... take a look at the Sharp display on the SONY A Series... Perfection. You can't even see the pixels. No grain, perfectly smooth whites, colors, awesome brightness. Too bad the A-Series has been discontinued
The A-Series display was like non other. How do we know it was a Sharp panel?
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