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Most important For Vid Edit: RAM, CPU, Card or HD speed?

post #1 of 19
11/20/05 at 6:07am
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I can't decide between an HP L2000 or Dell i6000. Specifically for MPEG, DiVX encoding/editing, VOB ripping, etc. What is the most important: Processor speed? or video card? Which system would you recommend between the 2 below with just video editing as a deciding factor?

HP L2000:
AMD Turion ML-37, 2Ghz 64bit, 1MB L2 Cache
1 gig RAM
ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M
80G 5400rpm
8x DVDRW
14.1" wsxga

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Dell i6000
Pentium M 760, 2 GHz/2MB Cache/533MHz FSB
1 gig RAM
128MB DDR ATI's MOBILITY RADEON X300 PCI Express x16
80GB 5400rpm
8x DVDRW
15.4" wsxga+

I appreciate any input.
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post #2 of 19
11/20/05 at 3:31pm
I'm partial to the 64 bit machine, not that it helps right now, but when they come out with 64 bit encoders they should scream.
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post #3 of 19
11/20/05 at 3:33pm
I'd recommend the 6000, simply because it has a better video card and a larger screen.
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post #4 of 19
11/20/05 at 6:16pm
RAM and processor both make a huge difference.,
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post #5 of 19
11/21/05 at 1:40am
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Thanks for your replies:

Keane- Is the X300 PCI Express that much better then the Xpress 200m? I cant find too much compairason reviews between the two. I also like the larger screen but the idea of the 14.1" seems so much more portable. I am tired of lugging around my HEAVY inspiron 5100 15".

olyteddy- I too am partial to being prepared fot the 64 bit world, but I am not sure my programs will work with the 64bit. I dont want to have to go and buy a whole new set of programs. (Quickbooks Premiere $300 etc..)

aanaravs- Which processor is faster or better (in current 32 bit world) the Pentium M 760 or the AMD Turion ML-37?


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post #6 of 19
11/21/05 at 2:29am
Sorry, I am not familiar with AMD processors
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post #7 of 19
11/21/05 at 9:05am
The AMD ML-37 and Pentium-M 760 perform very similarly...You probably wouldn't notice any difference between the two. The dedicated ATI x300 128mb is a much better card than the xpress 200m, which is the best of the 'integrated' graphics cards. The i6000 will probably be a better choice because it also has the higher resolution screen, which is better for video editing;it is an overall higher spec machine. If you're just doing basic video editing, both machines would suffice.
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post #8 of 19
11/21/05 at 12:07pm
My experience: Processor, Ram and Hard Drive speed are all important. Video card is not.
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post #9 of 19
11/21/05 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by George Castanza
My experience: Processor, Ram and Hard Drive speed are all important. Video card is not.
The video card isn't important for video editing? Are you sure?
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post #10 of 19
11/21/05 at 12:41pm
Well keeping in mind that I dont do Video mainly, and I do audio, I woudlnt think the video card to be important really past a certain point. The reason is most video cards are built to enhance 3d rendering, not MPEG or RAW rendering, now that isnt to say someone couldnt have taken advantage of it for MPEG and RAW video rendering, heck they are looking at doing it for sound, but at least for the prosumer market I wouldnt think it is very important.

Course I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, and Ill learn something new from it.

Seablade
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post #11 of 19
11/21/05 at 2:25pm
no you are right man... for video editing it might be nice to get something with an onboard mpeg decoder like some all in wonder ati's but unfortunately there is nothing like that for laptops right now... i would focus most definitely on components in this order Ram, HDD speed, Processor, assuming that you don't get a sempron or a celeron..........
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post #12 of 19
11/22/05 at 3:07am
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Originally Posted by asusdk
i would focus most definitely on components in this order Ram, HDD speed, Processor, assuming that you don't get a sempron or a celeron..........
Thanks. I was leaning toward the Dell machine's specs. Ironic that all the debate between GPU's and it has nothing/little to do with video production/editing. It seems as though high end GPU's are only worth paying for if you are a hardcore gamer. The most demanding game I might play is GTA or Splinter Cell and thats 1/10th the time i'd spend on video editing or MPEG/AVI creation.


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Originally Posted by fenderboy
The AMD ML-37 and Pentium-M 760 perform very similarly...You probably wouldn't notice any difference between the two. The dedicated ATI x300 128mb is a much better card than the xpress 200m
That confirms all the forum reports i have read and the PCmark/3DMark results for both chips.

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post #13 of 19
11/22/05 at 12:27pm
premier uses functions of the card to enhance realtime effects rendering..(as does final cut) havent used avid much recently so couldnt comment on that one

though in my experience..past a certain point(or past a certain gpu).. you wont notice much of a difference..

cpu is all important.. and 64bit processing just hasnt yet been implemented for the platform you need.. and by the time it has been it'll be time to upgrade again anyway thats not to say that you should rule out the 64bit beast for 32bit tasks..which it does more than adequetly..

lots of fast memory.. with a good supporting chipset is also v. important.. for ram previews etc.. and for loading/ accessing the vid files the drive access times makes a difference.. ive got scsi and sata raid arrays set up which are great.. htough not nessecarily as important as the cpu and memory..

go for the dell
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post #14 of 19
11/22/05 at 10:15pm
Unless you get an ATI board with video decoding enhancement built in (just announced and not yet available even in desktops), no, the video card will NOT significantly affect video editing....
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post #15 of 19
11/23/05 at 4:47am
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Thanks GeorgeC & Dr.J.

The Dell it is!
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post #16 of 19
11/24/05 at 12:06am
Well, it looks like you already made up your mind but...

Something I found is EXTREMELY helpful is a notebook that can hold two hard drives at the same time, which is what I have with my Latitude D610. You work with many big files at once in video editing, and when you can move a big file from one hard drive to another while working, it makes things go WAY faster than a single hard drive having to copy a big file back to itself.

From there, get as much RAM as possible (RAM is dirt-cheap anyways) and then a fast CPU. A fast video card does nothing for editing (unless, like a previous poster stated, you have one with built-in MPG compression which no notebooks do at this time).
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post #17 of 19
11/24/05 at 1:03am
I'd get 2GB of RAM, the more RAM You have, the less swapping files from HDD to RAM to HDD to RAM. HDD is the slowest point on your system, they will never ever reach speeds in excess of 50MB/s on your HDD, while DDR 4300 RAM transfers data @ 4.3GB/s! Speedy! Dual Channel(2x sticks) means 8.6 GB/s! Even faster!

Sooo, get 2x1GB of RAM and either of those laptops will be fine.

now, about the video card and it's importance in video editing:

Back in the day, when processors had a hard time handling 2d instructions, they developed video cards with video processing in mind. That became commonplace, and no one really advertises their video cards non3d capabilities.

Anyways, if you really want a good video editing laptop, Get the turion. The P-m is lacking in the HT department, while the turion has onboard memory controller. That means RAM goes even faster
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post #18 of 19
11/24/05 at 2:10am
Just a clarification I thought might've been unclear before:

With the turion processor, which is 64 bit, you will NOT have to buy ANY NEW SOFTWARE. The 64 bit AMD processors work, and are 100% compatible with _all_ 32 bit applications. They include an EXTRA X86_64 instruction set for when 64 bit applications do arrive. Thus to say, they are fully backwards compatible =P
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post #19 of 19
11/26/05 at 1:59am
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Originally Posted by ZGold550
Just a clarification I thought might've been unclear before:

With the turion processor, which is 64 bit, you will NOT have to buy ANY NEW SOFTWARE. The 64 bit AMD processors work, and are 100% compatible with _all_ 32 bit applications. They include an EXTRA X86_64 instruction set for when 64 bit applications do arrive. Thus to say, they are fully backwards compatible =P
Thanks ZG that's good to know!
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