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post #21 of 34
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Originally Posted by Andevian
ThunderPC: You should probably quit now. Remember that there are some people in the world who think SLI is worth the money. Those people will always tell you that spending even three times as much for the most marginal of gains is the best thing ever. It's because of them that nVidia revived the junk concept of SLI, that Alienware is still in business, that limited-use ringtones cost $2.00, and that Britney Spears was given a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They are living proof that if you put anything in a box and the label "better" somewhere on it, you'll have an instant market at any price. You frequently see these sorts of people spending thousands of dollars at the body shop trying to trick out their stock Honda Civics to be just like the guys in Fast and Furious, then doing things like challenging a Jaguar to a race. No matter how many times they lose, they always have an excuse that somehow doesn't include the fact that a 4 cylinder family car will never beat a 10 cylinder sports car in any category but fuel economy without opening the hood, since that expensive yet retarded looking spoiler has been proven in synthetic benchmarks to give at least a .005% performance boost. You can't win. Being right has nothing to do with it.

Haha nice, but i never got a ringtone or cell. Never saw Fast and the Furious, and any local trailor park has got hotter woman than Britney Spears. I do know PC3200 has better performence in most memory intensive tasks than PC2700. But my 1GB OCZ PC3200 2.5 CAS only costs $30 more.

Oh, and Honda Civics suck
post #22 of 34
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Originally Posted by Compman55
Is there a brand of PC3200 that will run 2.5-3-3-7. Without a tweak? I was looking at some brands and they say 3-4-4-8. Some even say 2.5 but why won't our bios run it at 2.5?

My ram is made to run at 2.5 CAS but only runs at 3. A64 tweaker freezes when you try to enable it. I tried it on 939 and 754 and neither work. So im guessing its the BIOS. If x64 chipsets are designed not to run 3200 at 2.5 CAS then thats kind of dumb.

Maybe AMD asked Thunder_PC and decided that enabling 2.5 for 3200 is a waste of money
post #23 of 34
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Originally Posted by jabba2
My ram is made to run at 2.5 CAS but only runs at 3. A64 tweaker freezes when you try to enable it. I tried it on 939 and 754 and neither work. So im guessing its the BIOS. If x64 chipsets are designed not to run 3200 at 2.5 CAS then thats kind of dumb.

Maybe AMD asked Thunder_PC and decided that enabling 2.5 for 3200 is a waste of money
You are fastly approaching temp ban for the ignorant flaming. I am sorry if you can't get your RAM to run CAS2.5, but it runs flawlessly with no tweaking, modding, etc on my notebook and my desktop. Simply by SPD. Maybe you should ask someone who knows something about computers how to set one up to run properly?
post #24 of 34
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Originally Posted by Thunder_PC
You are fastly approaching temp ban for the ignorant flaming. I am sorry if you can't get your RAM to run CAS2.5, but it runs flawlessly with no tweaking, modding, etc on my notebook and my desktop. Simply by SPD. Maybe you should ask someone who knows something about computers how to set one up to run properly?


Im talking about PC3200 not 2700...
post #25 of 34
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Originally Posted by jabba2
Im talking about PC3200 not 2700...
There have been several people in these forums (no telling how many not in these forums) to attain CAS 2.5 with DDR400, and a few to attain CAS2. I have done it on many desktops I have built, but never on my notebook.
post #26 of 34
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Nice try at a comeback but i already knew system ram doesnt run video games. But it does help increase performence with lower end notebooks. especially notebooks that need every performence increase possible. Besides like i had stated a couple posts above, video games dont use PC3200 as much as applications and XP do.

But you showed a link anyway with video games having as much as 5 FPS increase with PC3200 using a high end graphic card. Which is even better than i thought.
If you knew system RAM didn't run games, why are you STILL trying to make the argument that RAM plays a role in systems with less RAM on the videocard? Unless it's a Hypermemory part, the GPU does abaolutely nothing with system RAM. You still need system RAM regardless of the memory of your videocard, because the CPU handles all of the processing that isn't run through the GPU - stuff like synchronizing sounds, physics calculations, reading keybord/mouse/controller input, etc.

As for the 5FPS boost you're harping on so much? That's not even noticeable except by running synthetic benchmarks. It will have a negligible impact on gaming at best - most likely no impact at all.
post #27 of 34
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Originally Posted by tntoak
If you knew system RAM didn't run games, why are you STILL trying to make the argument that RAM plays a role in systems with less RAM on the videocard? Unless it's a Hypermemory part, the GPU does abaolutely nothing with system RAM. You still need system RAM regardless of the memory of your videocard, because the CPU handles all of the processing that isn't run through the GPU - stuff like synchronizing sounds, physics calculations, reading keybord/mouse/controller input, etc.

As for the 5FPS boost you're harping on so much? That's not even noticeable except by running synthetic benchmarks. It will have a negligible impact on gaming at best - most likely no impact at all.


So i guess thats why you installed 2GB!! of PC3200 in your notebook.
I wouldnt even attempt such an endeaver with the inner slot totally in-accessable without using a tool as your finger (and out of eyesite at the same time) just to push the ram into place. You probably needed a couple shots of whisky just to keep your hands steady! It can also void warranty if they find out. Just getting out the 256MB in the inner socket was extremely annoying. I had to get tweezers to grab it.

But I guess the performence increase wasnt noticable enough.
post #28 of 34
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Originally Posted by jabba2
I wouldnt even attempt such an endeaver with the inner slot totally in-accessable without using a tool as your finger (and out of eyesite at the same time) just to push the ram into place. You probably needed a couple shots of whisky just to keep your hands steady! It can also void warranty if they find out. Just getting out the 256MB in the inner socket was extremely annoying. I had to get tweezers to grab it.

But I guess the performence increase wasnt noticable enough.
Grrr sheesh. Here we go again

Also untrue. Using the guide, yes you have to use a "tool". The slot can still be accessed without using the tool and the memory can be popped right in and out by hand. The labor involved in removing the card reader is much more time consuming though. That is why most choose to use the "tool".

I'm sure he didn't feel a performance increase over PC2700 2GB. But he wasn't upgrading 2GB PC2700 to 2GB PC3200. He was having to replace both sticks anyway. If there wasn't much a price difference, it would have been silly not to get 3200.

You have come to the wrong forum to be so argumentative over something you seem to be relatively clueless about. This is the final warning.
post #29 of 34
Why dont you let the poster talk for himself? If hes putting in 2GB of PC 3200 he obviously thought he was getting more performence. Why else do the extremely difficult inner slot thing?
post #30 of 34
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Originally Posted by jabba2
Why dont you let the poster talk for himself? If hes putting in 2GB of PC 3200 he obviously thought he was getting more performence. Why else do the extremely difficult inner slot thing?
And he very well should be getting higher performance. You have a serious reading comprehension problem.
post #31 of 34
Thread Starter 
Ok, today I recieved the RMA from Legacy Electronics and I have to ship it out to them first and then they will ship new ram. They do not do advanced rma;s with credit cards. Oh well, at least they are working with me. It looks like I will be stuck with 512 for now.
post #32 of 34
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So i guess thats why you installed 2GB!! of PC3200 in your notebook.
I wouldnt even attempt such an endeaver with the inner slot totally in-accessable without using a tool as your finger (and out of eyesite at the same time) just to push the ram into place. You probably needed a couple shots of whisky just to keep your hands steady! It can also void warranty if they find out. Just getting out the 256MB in the inner socket was extremely annoying. I had to get tweezers to grab it.

Actually, I installed the additional RAM for applications like Photoshop CS2 and Adobe Premiere - not for gaming. There is also a guide accessible from these forums that walks you through the process of replacing that internal RAM. It's nowhere near as hard as you claim (then again, maybe you're not coordinated enough to do it). Yes, I got more performance over the 512MB of PC2700 the system came with. But I got the PC3200 RAM for only $15 more than I would have paid for PC2700. For $15, you can bet your ass I'm going to go with the faster RAM. Perhaps you should think about what you say before talking about stuff you have no knowledge of...

Let's make this perfectly clear: adding more RAM to a system will not speed up GPU-dependent games.
post #33 of 34
Thread Starter 
TNT,

What kind of ram do you have and what are your timings? 2.5-3-3-7 or 3-4-4-8?
post #34 of 34
You cannot void the warranty on your computer by upgrading the RAM in the internal slot. Or, more correctly, you cannot be refused warranty service if you upgraded. It's illegal for them to do so under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. The best they can do is require you to return the system to its original factory configuration prior to allowing service, so it's a good idea to hang on to replaced parts for the duration of your warranty. They might be able to demonstrate that you voided your warranty during the installation by breaking something, but as stated, it's so easy that you'd have to be Edward Scissorhands or using a sledgehammer or something to mess it up that badly.

This law was challenged and upheld regarding PC equipment, which was when we stopped seeing "Warranty Void if Removed" stickers on most products. Hard drives still have them because you will perma-wreck a hard drive if you open it, and the hard drive manufacturers have fulfilled the requirements of Magnuson-Moss by demonstrating this as fact. Some Linksys equipment had it for a while, but that's just because they're idiots. They probably lost a lawsuit too, because I haven't seen them use those stickers for a while now.

Simple explanation linkage. The site talks about cars, but the law applies to all consumer products.

Tougher explanation linkage by the FTC.
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