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Poll Results: Will you consider a Mac laptop when Intel laptops roll out?

 
  • 44% (35)
    Yes,
  • 26% (21)
    Maybe
  • 28% (22)
    No
78 Total Votes  
post #41 of 64
12/2/05 at 10:52am
Well that depends on how much the hardware would really cost. Which we don't know yet. I suspect the price will be in line with SONY or the like, offering the same performance. Therefore, if you can buy SONY, probably you can buy Apple too. Keep in mind that current Macs while sharing a lot of components with desktop pcs, still need a lot of R&D in order to cope with the powerPC architecture. I believe (only my opinion of course) that the switch to the PC architecture will bring lower manufacturing costs e therefore lower prices. If not, they will probably have high price but high performance too.
Anyway I dunno.
As for the answers, sure there were some "hardware is pricey and underperforming" things, but moslty were "I won't switch to mac" or "The OS sucks", which is something that don't relate to the survey in the first place.
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post #42 of 64
12/2/05 at 3:42pm
I think it does matter, because Apple isn't going to sell computers without an OS and give you a choice as to what OS to put on there. I think with the x86 Macs, Apple will continue to be a hardware provider with about 5% of the market share, like they have now. But if they're smart, and God knows Steve Jobs is, they'll release a standalone copy like Windows. It will take a few years, but OEMs will start offering Windows or Mac on their computers. First it will be the little boutique computer shops that do it, but eventually you'll go to Best Buy and see HP with Windows, HP with Mac, Gateway with Windows, Gateway with Mac, etc.

The poll question is really kind of stupid, because I don't think switch to x86 architecture is going to Apple a whole lot of new market share. They will be better computers, but that doesn't really matter. It still won't run Windows software. People that need Windows software will run Windows. People that love Macs have their Mac and will continue to use Mac. Apple hardware will still come at a premium, because nobody buys Mac because of cost. The real revolution of OSX86 will be the stand alone copy that we are sure to see.
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post #43 of 64
12/2/05 at 5:04pm
Mactels will look GOOD. They will look better than ANY pc vendors' laptops. That said, they will make tradeoffs to get to 1" thick 5lb stats.

At the end of the day, I would have to be 100% certain that I could dual boot into windows for development/games, and linux for development. OSX does not pay my bills. So more than likely I will skip them and go for more affordable, but functionally identical windows laptops.

Why pay the Apple premium if I have no business need or personal need for OSX?
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post #44 of 64
12/2/05 at 9:13pm
i dont care what any of you say about how great mactels will be from a hardware POV. asus still makes nicer notebooks, and they are MUCH MUCH more reasonably priced. even their more expensive ensembles are pretty decently priced.
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post #45 of 64
12/2/05 at 9:30pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Anacardo
Well that depends on how much the hardware would really cost. Which we don't know yet. I suspect the price will be in line with SONY or the like, offering the same performance. Therefore, if you can buy SONY, probably you can buy Apple too. Keep in mind that current Macs while sharing a lot of components with desktop pcs, still need a lot of R&D in order to cope with the powerPC architecture. I believe (only my opinion of course) that the switch to the PC architecture will bring lower manufacturing costs e therefore lower prices. If not, they will probably have high price but high performance too.
I think you are right on both of these points. Apple has already shown that it is willing to compete price-wise with Sony, Hp and even Dell (MacMini) and many believe that the real reason behind the switch is significantly lowering cost (hardware and R&D) that will allow Apple to put out more competitive low-end product. Apple saw the ipod's halo effect and realized that it could do the same thing by offering low-cost gateways to OS X systems.
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post #46 of 64
12/2/05 at 9:47pm
sony is not exactly mainstream. id say most people on this site would consider them even more overpriced than apple.

however, apple hardware is not competitive, pricewise, with hp. in this case, i would probably say that apple hardware is better in quality, but it is still more expensive when comparing them spec ofr spec. what you should really be comparing apple to is asus because they both use relatively high quality parts, expcept asus's have far superior performance, more "daring" styling and lower prices.

as for the mac mini, thats a joke. you can buy a laptop from dell with better specs for less money. and it comes with an lcd too, something that adds at least 100 dollars to teh price.
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post #47 of 64
12/2/05 at 9:54pm
Look. There are myriad reasons why people don't buy Apples. The first one, in my opinion, is the OS. It is far too bubbly, too much extraneous crap that is useless, and detracts from the actual use of the OS, imo.

The second is that the hardware is very overpriced, and has a slow-ass upgtrade cycle. Switchign to Intel MIGHT speed it up and it make it a little better, but I wouldn't count on it.

Thirdly, the entire Mac philosophy of simplicity and beauty over some things that may be ugly, but get the job done conflicts with many people (like me).

Fourth, no gaming, and if you think next-gen consoles are gonna replace PCs, think again.

Finally, the arguments about switching away from Windows to Apple are stupid. If you really wanna switch away, switch to Linux - custmoizable, open source, free, and actually has some games for it.

So in short: I'll buy a Mac laptop when hell freezes over, or when Steve Jobs comes to my house, bows down before me, and pays me to take one from him.
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post #48 of 64
12/3/05 at 4:52am
Only if they look as cute as they already do!
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post #49 of 64
12/3/05 at 5:44am
The hardware I might be interested. If I could only install Vista on it.
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post #50 of 64
12/3/05 at 4:09pm
Thread Starter 
also here's something from my personal experience: every other week i have friends with Windows PCs calling with some major disaster (sigh, the word got around...) and i always spend hours fiddling with the registry, removing spyware and other fine stuff. i also have a lot of friends with MAcs and somehow when they call it's not about their computer problems but about going out for drinks . Now, i ask you, should i drop these PC friends cold or just make them switch to a Mac? But seriously, doesn't this say something about the quality of the OS?
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post #51 of 64
12/3/05 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by kofkf
also here's something from my personal experience: every other week i have friends with Windows PCs calling with some major disaster (sigh, the word got around...) and i always spend hours fiddling with the registry, removing spyware and other fine stuff. i also have a lot of friends with MAcs and somehow when they call it's not about their computer problems but about going out for drinks . Now, i ask you, should i drop these PC friends cold or just make them switch to a Mac? But seriously, doesn't this say something about the quality of the OS?
So what you're saying is Macs are for people too... tech illiterate to operate a normal pc? I guess that could be true. I don't think that example shows the quality of the OS, it just says something about the quality of your friends' computer knowledge.

Really though what's the point of this? None of us are going to change our minds and say Macs are amazing just because of some poll on a forum. It would take the actual hardware to be released, glowing reviews, a lot of games and then a few friends to change our minds.
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post #52 of 64
12/3/05 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by kofkf
also here's something from my personal experience: every other week i have friends with Windows PCs calling with some major disaster (sigh, the word got around...) and i always spend hours fiddling with the registry, removing spyware and other fine stuff. i also have a lot of friends with MAcs and somehow when they call it's not about their computer problems but about going out for drinks . Now, i ask you, should i drop these PC friends cold or just make them switch to a Mac? But seriously, doesn't this say something about the quality of the OS?
Yeah, it does. It tells me Mac users drink a lot. It also says to me that Mac OS is so obscure and so not widely used that the script kiddies and virus developers don't want to waste their time on it.
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post #53 of 64
12/3/05 at 4:44pm
Here is something I don't understand.

To get winows XP, it's cheap. I got a legal sealed copy off ebay of home for about $60 a year ago.

Now, Mac wants $130 for their Tiger OS?

Tiger doesn't have group policy, near the networking capabilities, and doesn't offer really anything special right out of the box.

I've seen Linux distros that offer twenty times as many features, and, they're free!

But, I will still buy a intel powerbook...
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post #54 of 64
12/3/05 at 5:17pm
I would consider it if the price is right. At the current price points I would never buy an Apple laptop, but I would also never buy an Alienware, Sony, or any other overpriced machine that takes more money to stroke your ego.

However, Apple hasn't shown a willingness to drop their prices significantly. Some people have pointed out the Mac Mini, sorry thats not a good deal, you get exactly what you pay for and less, a slow POS machine with no monitor, keyboard, or mouse. This Black Friday you get laptops from Dell for $400 that weren't that much slower (Well except for graphics) than a Mac Mini. If you gave me $500 to build a machine without mouse/keyboar/monitor, I could build a nice Athlon64 3000+ system with 1GB ram, DVDRW, 160gb hdd (after rebates), and Radeon9200 video card which would absolutely dominate the Mac Mini performance wise, and it would be easily upgradeable unlike the Mini. The only thing you really get with the Mac Mini is size and looks.

Apple would have to drop their prices significantly for me to consider them, but if they did I would certainly look into their laptops.
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post #55 of 64
12/3/05 at 8:29pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by unknownman_007
Here is something I don't understand.

To get winows XP, it's cheap. I got a legal sealed copy off ebay of home for about $60 a year ago.

Now, Mac wants $130 for their Tiger OS?
You are comparing the list price of OSX Tiger to a copy of Windows XP on ebay?? hardly fair. windows retail price for full version is $250, upgrade is $150. Check out ebay, you'll find copies of Tiger for $60 and below.

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Tiger doesn't have group policy, near the networking capabilities, and doesn't offer really anything special right out of the box.
whaaat? ok, let's not spread misinformation. OSX is a *nix flavor and as such was build around user/group policies from the get-go. Unlike Windows, OS X (like Linux) is a multi-user OS all the way down to the system core, while historically it was only an afterthought for Windows, which continues to be the source of some of the most serious inconsistencies and security flaws that plague windows.

Also, what do you mean, "it doesn't have near the networking capabilities"? Tiger supports every doggone protocol and service out there and then some. How about Zero-config networking build right in (Bonjour). And have you ever compared setting up a network in XP Pro vs. OS X? Just the other day i set up a bunch of xp machines for a windows domain server (samba) hosted on a Linux box. boy, the troubles --- and that's windows' own turf! i set up and joined the mac in 30 seconds.

as far as "nothing special" is concerened, how about smart application/window switching (expose - i couldn't live without it anymore), an entire widget layer build in the os (dashboard), live search (spotlight), smart folders, incredible powerful and easy applescript Automator and on and on... An we havent even gone into some of the great apps it comes with.
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post #56 of 64
12/3/05 at 9:19pm
hint, press alt+tab in windows.
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post #57 of 64
12/3/05 at 9:49pm
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Originally Posted by drizek
sony is not exactly mainstream. id say most people on this site would consider them even more overpriced than apple.

however, apple hardware is not competitive, pricewise, with hp. in this case, i would probably say that apple hardware is better in quality, but it is still more expensive when comparing them spec ofr spec. what you should really be comparing apple to is asus because they both use relatively high quality parts, expcept asus's have far superior performance, more "daring" styling and lower prices.

as for the mac mini, thats a joke. you can buy a laptop from dell with better specs for less money. and it comes with an lcd too, something that adds at least 100 dollars to teh price.
I believe Asus still manufactures some Macs along with Foxcon and ESC... I joke with my Mac friend he should be as "Asus addict".

As far as IntelMacs, well... no longer can Apple lie about how great their different architecture (PPC) is relative to "Intel".. Macs will have the exact same innards as so called generic PC's.. regular consumers will have to sold on the idea paying more for the exact same Apple branded hardware is somehow worth it because of OSX... or some other relative benefit the Apple brand offers, like it looks better or the software is superior.

On that note, I'd consider one if it was priced competitive hardware wise, I want the most bang for my buck.. but Apple is a boutique brand and I have a feeling they'll still charge more.. look no farther than the current PB line, by far the weakest most stale chip that can't hold a cup of urine to a P-M or A64... or even old XP's, my 2500 still scores higher in cinebench than the latest G4. Yet Apple fans continue to buy them AND claim (on Mac fan bbs's) a PB is a "workhorse" for "Professionals"... with a straight face. Its ok to like your PB, but don't try claiming the hardware is anything but stale and weak.
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post #58 of 64
12/3/05 at 9:51pm
ugh 2 words: LINUX!

expose - its called ALT+TAB
widget - konfabulator (win) or gdesklets/superkaramba (linux)
spotlight - beagle
smart folders - retarded folders
applescript - steve jobs scripts my manhood
powerful apps - ugh.. openoffice (appleworks), gaim (ichat), gimp (iphoto), firefox (IE for Mac) , kino (imovie), audacity (garage band), XMMS (itunes), MPLAYER (quicktime), beagle (sherlock) ... everything mac has....linux has and then some (yes...on teh stock installatioN)
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post #59 of 64
12/3/05 at 11:56pm
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alt-tab has got nothing to do with Expose. alt-tab merely allows you to see the document titles thats all. Expose allows you to quickly see the contents of either all windows or all windows of an application who appear on a new window layer, all just by activating a hot corner with your mouse. thus it allows you to see the content of the documents that are open. if you juggling around a bunch of windows it's an enormous help to locate what you're looking for. once you used it, you can't live without it.

plus, i got nothing whatsoever against linux. i run a Red Hat Enterprise install on one of my desktops and Slackware on a server and it's great stuff on all levels.
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post #60 of 64
12/4/05 at 1:41am
i lived with expose, i lived without, and i am not a retard, i can manage my windows with the taskbar or alt+tab just fine. i don't need a screenshot to tell me that a program called "Microsoft Office -- Document1.doc" containds documet1 and its open in MSOffice....you see what i mean, i have a mental capacity higher than that of expose users .

furthermore windows has an alt+tab power toy that shows you a screenshot in the alt+tab as well, nto just program tiles.

furthermore in linux (at least in gnome) you can use the desktop pager in the taskbar to line up all the windows so you can take a look at them all at the same time and pick which one you wanna work on.
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