New Sager 8790 Model release pics are up - Page 35

However, scarcity might also be a function of extreme demand outstripping supply. Also you might have the case where supply incorrectly targets a different market (17" wide screens) assuming that their will be more of those sold and hence better profits. Do people really want 17" widescreen laptops or is the current rage in DVD's sending off misleading signals to LCD manufacturers. After all what is the primary use of laptops? Is it for watching DVDs or for other more office related uses.

It is not the first time that manufacturers have been misled. How many of you remember OS/2? Like all evolutionary systems, some products are dead ends even though at the time they looked like a good idea. This of course could apply to 16" LCD's. Personally I prefer the 4:3 ratio and 15" is too small. Given the major laptop market is 15" portable machines 16" may be an evolutionary dead end (I hope not). Or we may get 17" in a slightly larger form factor with higher resolutions that works for both camps.

i think i've been misunderstood. all i want is a m9700 in the 8890. thats it. and im pretty sure the 8890 is available with the 16"UXGA screen....

the dell 15.4 is also WXGA - and after reading the widescreengaming forum - i'm not very enthused about any WXGA format. ...

i want my laptop to be a "desktop replacement" - and so being, should run the same resolutions as my desktop.

sucks that the 16" SXGA is out of production. all i hear are good things about it.

Bugs me too. I own one and I can't recommend it to people anymore.
All is forgiven Sharp, please start making more 16" SXGA LCD's.
Would banana's help?

which do you own? the 15" UXGA .. the 16" UXGA? by your sig i guess it can't be a 17" WXGA...

why can't you recommend it anymore? This really concerns me because its coming down to crunch time for me. i'm ordering really soon - and once i do, i can never go back. because i'll be in Japan. Far away from an RMA.

what is so great about the 16" SXGA compared to the 16" UXGA. thanks

I was one of the lucky ones that got the 16" SXGA.
The only reason I can't recommend it is because you can't buy it new (there have been some second hand deals going btw - check the For Sale sub-forum) so it is useless saying "hey buy one of these". I wish I could.

IMHO the 16" SXGA is the best LCD for my needs. UXGA the fonts are too small for relaxed viewing of information. Sure you can see it but I don't want to be up close and personal with my laptop all the time - when reading web pages I tend to lean back in my tilt chair and read it from there. Too small a font just makes it impossible (I did test UXGA on a Toshiba and it was from that I made my mind up to get SXGA).

As far as everything else on the 8890, I would highly recommend it as an absolute kick ass machine. It is big, but it's big for a reason.

Personally I don't like 17" letter box wide screens - not enough vertical inches and to make matters worse current 17" are only WXGA (800 or so vertical pixels). The 8790 would be a good machine except for the 17" form factor (and lack of internal floppy - but that is a requirement I had - others may not).

If you are looking for 16" SXGA - go the Fujitsu N5010 - slightly less performance than the Sagers but at least they have the screen.

If you want grunt and/or top end gaming performance go Sager.
5680 - no raid but has swappable 2nd battery/disk/floppy, smaller than 8890
8890 - RAID, 3 disks or TV tuner, larger.
8790 - RAID, 2 disks, better GPU + vid mem but 17" letter box form factor
There are also the 4xxx series but I don't have as much knowledge about them.

you know what? Im not jumping the 8790 bandwagon...

Turn-Offs for me :-
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1] 17" screen (tut tut )
2] Optical Drive on the left side (My table wont allow me to open the drive. I will have to lift my laptop every time i wanna change discs)
3] Extra $300.00 or so for a webcam,subwoofer,LCD (which I dont like), hardware RAID

I am REALLY thinking about it because I dont know when the 5790 (if thats what they are gonna call it) will be available with the Radeon 9700. I dont care about Prescott and crapola - just give me the 56XX form factor with the new 3D Card

Oh dear...just when I thought "Here is the laptop for me!!! " I turn around and go right back to wanting the 56XX for platform familiarity and table compatibility

I might still get the 8790...its just not such a DONE DEAL as I thought it might be...

The human mind is very fickle...

gsferrari- what is the 5790? Can you give me a link on the clevo page? (or Eurocom?) I've never heard of that before.

hes speaking hypothetically. if the 5680 came out with a radeon9700 it'd be called (probably) a 5790 or a 5780.. something like that.

he wants the purple/silver laptop with a 9700 in it.

which i can agree with. except for the fact that that laptop is so ulgy.

i want what he wants, except in the 8890. which i supposed would be called the 8790? ... heh. whatever. (dont look it up on eurocom.)

I personally need a new laptop soon, and I really dont want WXGA becuase it will be primarily for gaming. Im just wondering how long Im going to wait so that I can either get a 5680 equivalent with a better graphics card..... Personally I think that no one in their right minds would want a widesceen for a multiperpose laptop, all its really good for is DVD,s and I dont watch many (nearly any) and the resolution is CRAPPY, 1440x900, are you kidding me, that is just sad, maybe if it was capeable of running at something equivalent to 1600x1200 i might be happier, but for now im not at all thrilled with the options on the 8790

i hear ya. i don't like the resolution either. check out www.widescreengaming.com forums.... theres some screenshots there that are REALLY dissapointing. also the list of games that absolutely WILL NOT work at that resolution is VERY dissapointing. ... no, widescreen is not a great option. like you said - its only good for TV and movies... so why do you need a powerhouse? a PIII will do for you to watch movies/TV/whatever. (i watch a lot of anime). soooo yeah. don't really need a top of the line graphics card on a computer which actually CAN'T play a lot of games out there.... or distorts their graphics drastically.

I'm curious, How is it possible for a game not to work in wide screen if these ones can get to 1024x768 and other popular resolutions?

Every cell in my body was ready to buy the 8790.. but now... Argh! why did I have to start looking or reviews of the WXGA+! ... but this way I found about the 8790 (mixed feelings)

i dunno - check out that forum and the list of games that refuse to work on WXGA screens.

So what I am supposed to do? wait (again)? I feel like if I'm playing the waiting game, and, seriously, I don't like it

get an 8890. so what if the 9600 is a year old. *shrug*

get a shuttle.

But I want a m9700!! (Mmmm... I sound like a fanboy of sort)
Is there a way to play those incompatible games on a Widescreen? seems like there isn't any problem if you change the res.

Have you guys seen widescreen games at WUXGA? One word - AWESOME!! Widescreen is here to stay. I was a huge skeptic about it, at first. After using my 8600 for just a few days, however, I became happily addicted to WUXGA widescreen computing. I love the extra real estate for running multiple windows simultaneously. Most every new game (UT2004, Max Payne 2, Far Cry, Doom 3, HL2, many others) can support the format natively (i.e., no tweaking). I fully agree that the current 17" WXGA is a joke. That's the only reason I've not purchased an 8790 and I'm debating whether to go with Dell's 9100. There's such a demand for WUXGA or even WSXGA+ 17" LCDs. The market will respond to the consumer, it's just a matter of when (NOW, DAMNIT!!!!). An 8790 in WUXGA or WSXGA+ would be my ultimate dream notebook!

I'm a gamer and I am getting an 8790. I don't think it is as bad as you are all making it out to be. When I get mine, I will fire up some games and post the results either here or on my website (or both). I mainly play first person shooters... I don't have any "God games". So I will mostly be reporting on UT2004, Half-life based and Quake 3 based games. I'll of course run some benches. Stay tuned.

After reading some threads on widescreengaming I'm staying with the 8790, most games only need little tweaking to work, and now I'm running games at 800 x 600 on my crappy desktop (MX440) and they don't look bad, so i guess 1440 x 900 will be just great (BTW I prefer RTS games, so maybe that's the reason for my choice).

And I'm in a far country, friends will still cry at the sight of my 8790

Yep, I'll see that with similar eyes... However, the masses or some strange analysts are always (mostly) dictating the way things will go. Even I personally too are completely more in favor with 4:3 ratio panels, it actually looks like if the wide market will be more booming or instead be actually more hype here for the manufactors...