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I hate Fedora (working title)

post #1 of 40
Thread Starter 
Maybe this story will have a happy ending and I can give it a nicer title, but things aren't looking good so far.

I had to install fedora on my opteron server because i'm under a time crunch and the instructions from the developer I'm working with are fedora centric. On top of that the raid drivers are only recommended in Fedora and SuSe.

I've gotten so used to the ubuntu way of life. Just use apt to get virtually everything I need. I tried installing Gparted the other day. 7 dependencies unresolved and I had no clue what half of them were.

I tried using the system update tool. Huge mistake. I told it to update everything because I have no idea what packages have security flaws or serious bugs. Well, it prompts me on every single package telling me that the package isn't certified with some crap. So it's a click fest for 40 minutes. Or 20 minutes... or 15 minutes... You see, many packages time out and force me to kill the update app and start all over. I still haven't got through the updates yet.

On top of that the video performance is atrocious. Not a big deal since this is a server, but it has been a pain.

So I still hate fedora. I may start over with ubuntu and take my chances there. Dependency issues and driver binary incompatibilities are major obsticles most distros and developers need to fix.
post #2 of 40
Oh boy. [Lumbergh]Yeah...[/Lumbergh] Thats why I don't deviate from Portage or Apt.

Hope things get better.
post #3 of 40
Yeah, I used Red Hat and then Fedora for the first year I had a spare machine on which to run Linux. Then Ubuntu came out and I wanted to give it a shot - I'll never go back.

However, Trustix Secure Linux has a very nice utility called Swup - it's kinda like Apt in that you can search the packages and install/remove them, but the overall package scheme is still RPM, which is OK for Trustix but kinda eh for others.
post #4 of 40
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Originally Posted by Colin Dean
However, Trustix Secure Linux has a very nice utility called Swup - it's kinda like Apt in that you can search the packages and install/remove them, but the overall package scheme is still RPM, which is OK for Trustix but kinda eh for others.
Yeah, thats the minimum, eh. But isn't this what Yum, etc accomplish?

Still, no way I'm ever touching RPMs.

Mikhail
post #5 of 40
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Originally Posted by mmarkin
Yeah, thats the minimum, eh. But isn't this what Yum, etc accomplish?

Still, no way I'm ever touching RPMs.

Mikhail

don't be so harsh, for about a week now i've been running Mandrake 2005 on my desktop and urpmi has done a good job installing pretty much all teh required software.
post #6 of 40
For each his own, abf. How do you find the RPM managers in different distros? Ie whats better and whats worse? I know you've tried quite a few
post #7 of 40
The install and especially the upgrade tools are really the weakest part of Fedora.
post #8 of 40
i think urpmi is quite good (text version....gui tools sucks)
yast is just all-around crap
so is fedora rpm manager

right now i have PCLOS installed which uses APT for RPM, quite impressive, paired with Synaptic it feels no different than using apt-get on a debian system.
post #9 of 40
Thread Starter 
Thought I throw in an update. I gave up on Fedora. I've since redone everything in ubuntu with good success. Just need to compile the RAID drivers.

The only thing that's been giving me some headaches is Ubuntu's weird security policies, compated to the more traditional 'server' distros.

I don't mind the experimenting for my desktop machines and test servers, but this machine I'm working on is mission critical. Every system admin i've talke to says you have to go either SuSe or Fedora/Redhat.

Ubuntu has been stable on my desktop. Hopfully it'll fair well in a mission critical environment.
post #10 of 40
I couldn't stand Ubuntu, tried it on one of my notebooks. I don't think any experienced Unix user can.

Fedora is pretty good and gets better lately with the exception of their install and upgrade programs. So if you are willing to install on major upgrades, use Fedora. If you are not, use FreeBSD,
post #11 of 40
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Originally Posted by bigtrouble77
I don't mind the experimenting for my desktop machines and test servers, but this machine I'm working on is mission critical. Every system admin i've talke to says you have to go either SuSe or Fedora/Redhat.
Just an idea: if you need a mission-critical server, have you considered enterprise releases of Redhat, etc? The name evades me right now, but there is a free enterprise RH distro out there.

Mikhail
post #12 of 40
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Originally Posted by mmarkin
Just an idea: if you need a mission-critical server, have you considered enterprise releases of Redhat, etc? The name evades me right now, but there is a free enterprise RH distro out there.

Mikhail
Believe you are thinking of White Box Linux. Have a machine running WBEL3 and was able to hack it up enought to YUM off the company RHEL repository.

*sigh*
FreeBSD keeps tempting me to go back. No time! No time!
post #13 of 40
I am thinking of something that starts with a C and ends with 'OS'. Completely stumped.
post #14 of 40
I haven't actually read through everything here (I know, I know...). I just thought I would throw in that you can get apt working on FC4 easily.

My FC4 machine is running it without problems. This is the guide I followed (music-tech centric, but I'm into that so it works):
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
post #15 of 40
Markin you arent thinking of CentOS are you? Its not a red hat product that I am aware of, but it is aimed at the enterprise server I believe.

Seablade
post #16 of 40
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Originally Posted by seablade
Markin you arent thinking of CentOS are you? Its not a red hat product that I am aware of, but it is aimed at the enterprise server I believe.

Seablade
Exactly! Its an unofficial spin-off of RHE. Thanks!

The reason I suggested it was because it was an enterprise product aimed at stability.
post #17 of 40
Yup....been using CentOS on all of my production servers.
CentOS + yum gives a pretty up-to-date and stable server.
It makes use of all the RHEL updates of course they have been changed to work on CentOS.
post #18 of 40
.....all i can tell you is CentOS is better than RedHat (tried both, hated both, but COS is just better). Anyway....since its a server, why don't you run FreeBSD?
post #19 of 40
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Originally Posted by abf
Anyway....since its a server, why don't you run FreeBSD?
Interesting point.
post #20 of 40
hmmm....never really had a chance to play with FreeBSD....was under the impression that RHEL was supposed to be Entreprise class server OS. Besides a lot of developers out there write code that works great with Redhat. and also redhats rpms helps a lot with package management....I actually shy away from using sources.
but at the end of the day...It doesnt matter what distro you use as long as its stable and lets you use CLI. :-)
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