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post #1 of 21
12/22/05 at 8:50pm
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So i went to the Apple store today, don't ask, getting an iTunes Music Store gift card for a friend. Anyway, in the register next to teh one i was checking out at, there was a guy in his 50s i'd say buying a black 4gb nano for his kid i woudl guess. Anyway, so he was all ready to buy, but then he asked about stuff like a "charger". So the guy at the register was like "oh, you connect it to your pc with a usb cable and it charges it like that, if you want to get a wall charger later down the road, it will be $26." at this point i was cracking up. I mean, isn't a charger something that usually COME STANDARD! Also, same thing happened about a case to protect/carry it. Anyway this lead me to think, whats next, whitebooks and barebone desktops?

Like you buy the whitebook, maybe you get the cpu and the ram with it, but if you want a hard drive, a charger, a battery, and all that nice stuff it will be extra?

I am not saying its a bad thing, i've said for years that if PB came as a whitebook, i would probably buy it. I just figured it was interesting.


Oh and also, please don't argue you don't need a charger for the ipod. My iriver charges both ways and i find the wall charger to be much more effective.
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post #2 of 21
12/22/05 at 9:39pm
Was there a point in there somewhere?
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post #3 of 21
12/23/05 at 1:28am
So... buy your iriver? Which is kind of funny, with their "i" in front of river.
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post #4 of 21
12/23/05 at 2:53am
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iriver was selling their players under that name long before the "iPod' was born.

furthermore, being a Korean company they have all the rights to use it, because in asia having the little "i" in front of word is like an adjective that means "little or childlike"

thus refering to iRiver as small devices.

apple being an American company has stepped out of their box of usable language and stole the "i" from its original meaning, thus

the iMac - toy computer
iPod - small pod-like device
iBook - kid's book


learn teh facts....than talk FTD
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post #5 of 21
12/23/05 at 4:31am
Figures. abf conquers the weak again. I feel so ashamed.

In other news, what was the point of this thread? I keep waiting for his follow-up to conclude something he was intending to say here.
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post #6 of 21
12/23/05 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by Andy
Was there a point in there somewhere?
His standard point in this forum: trolling.
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post #7 of 21
12/23/05 at 12:06pm
seems pretty lame to me. I mean, isn't the point of an ipod that you dump you music to it and then use it to listen to music away from your computer? If you have to have the thing hooked up to the computer so much, then you might as well use the computer to play the music and save a lot of money by not buying the nano in the first place. But I guess if you are constantly rotating things through your nano, and hook it up to the computer all the time to keep it charged, no separate charger would be no big deal.

cases and covers as an extra seems to be the way most companies do things anymore. it's all marketing, lets them sell the big core piece for less and then gouge customers for the accessories that they will need.

But I would expect the nano to come with a charger, and if I bought one and didn't know there was no charger, I'd be pissed.
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post #8 of 21
12/23/05 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by joatmon
seems pretty lame to me. I mean, isn't the point of an ipod that you dump you music to it and then use it to listen to music away from your computer? If you have to have the thing hooked up to the computer so much, then you might as well use the computer to play the music and save a lot of money by not buying the nano in the first place. But I guess if you are constantly rotating things through your nano, and hook it up to the computer all the time to keep it charged, no separate charger would be no big deal.

cases and covers as an extra seems to be the way most companies do things anymore. it's all marketing, lets them sell the big core piece for less and then gouge customers for the accessories that they will need.

But I would expect the nano to come with a charger, and if I bought one and didn't know there was no charger, I'd be pissed.

this guy gets me point.
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post #9 of 21
12/23/05 at 12:15pm
Hmmm, this must be a new policy for them. I'd expect something like this for a shuffle, but the nano and up should come with some kind of wall charger.

My old 10GB ipod came with a nifty ibook like wall charger. It made use of the firewire sync cable too, so you didn't have to carry another cable around.
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post #10 of 21
12/23/05 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by FrankTDouglas
Figures. abf conquers the weak again. I feel so ashamed.

In other news, what was the point of this thread? I keep waiting for his follow-up to conclude something he was intending to say here.
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Originally Posted by benroethig
His standard point in this forum: trolling.
His post was to inform people like me that doesn't know sh*t about their MP3 players that I should expect to buy a wall charger if I want one. Or maybe voicing an opinion about how he thinks it's lame that it's not standard (so maybe some higher ups will put a tick mark under "wants a bundled charger"). I’m glad they don’t come with a charger because that would mean the product would cost me $225 instead of a nice even $199. Just because he has something slightly negative to say about a product they make, does NOT make them a troll. You two boys need to relax.
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post #11 of 21
12/23/05 at 4:19pm
I'm reading this from a Powerbook, yay for me.
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post #12 of 21
12/23/05 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by Bahama.Llama
Just because he has something slightly negative to say about a product they make, does NOT make them a troll. You two boys need to relax.
No, it's doesn't.

But having something negative to say about every product they make, everyday, with no obvious point of his existence on these boards other than to be that negative voice... DOES make him a troll.
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post #13 of 21
12/23/05 at 8:23pm
Or it makes him have *gasp* an opinion? OH NOES! HE OFFERED HIS OPINION AND I DISAGREED WITH IT! WAAAAAAAAA...
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post #14 of 21
12/23/05 at 8:45pm
who cares, I charge my nano using the dock (which I did buy).
The Nano comes with a case (of sorts, it does come with one though)
Ultimately apple are a company out to make money, and being able to charge $26 for a wall charger is a good way of doing it.
Actually its more like the price gouging for ram that we see out of major OEM's.


Finally - I've said it before, and I'll say it again - abf's posts make this board a far more interesting place
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post #15 of 21
12/23/05 at 9:19pm
yeah i went with my mom to an apple store cause her dad (parents seperated) was buying her the nano and my mom was going to get the charger. When she told me that i did laugh and told her that she must of heard my sisters dad...i said that "of course the charger comes with the nano, no company would sell you a product without being able to charge it in a wall." Those were my exact words, i couldnt believe that she was in fact right. Very very weird

oh and im no fanboy nothing like that, just adding to the thread
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post #16 of 21
12/24/05 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by FrankTDouglas
No, it's doesn't.

But having something negative to say about every product they make, everyday, with no obvious point of his existence on these boards other than to be that negative voice... DOES make him a troll.
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post #17 of 21
12/24/05 at 8:01am
actuallly i think abf makes a good point, by pointing out that unless u plan on carrying your computer EVERYWHERE u go, u cant charge the nano unless u shell out another 26$, even though u just dropped 250+ of hard earned cash for the nano, they cant even throw in a charger? so if u go on a road trip or spend more than a day away from home, ur nano becomes a tiny light paperwieght after a day. and dont say 'if u spent 250bucks why not spend 26$ more?' cause im not rich and i shouldnt have to in the first place. i love the concept of the nano, and i love the powerbook/ibooks, and hey, the mac os is pretty darn great, but if they say "think different" but pull traditional cutthroat business tactics, they are just dressing poo up in fancy ultra-hip lace.
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post #18 of 21
12/24/05 at 12:47pm
I believe the wall chargers were dropped after a customer survey. The dock was the more aesthetic option. I cant see how Apple is "gaining" from this because those wall-warts shouldnt cost them more than a couple of dollars to mass produce. I made a run of wall-warts for charging a discontinued Sony rechargeable battery and they cost me less than $8.00 a piece (qty = 43). Imagine making several million of those...hell...I could do it for $0.50 if I could find the right people in Taiwan
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post #19 of 21
12/24/05 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by gsferrari
I believe the wall chargers were dropped after a customer survey. The dock was the more aesthetic option. I cant see how Apple is "gaining" from this because those wall-warts shouldnt cost them more than a couple of dollars to mass produce. I made a run of wall-warts for charging a discontinued Sony rechargeable battery and they cost me less than $8.00 a piece (qty = 43). Imagine making several million of those...hell...I could do it for $0.50 if I could find the right people in Taiwan
Did you just say you can't see how Apple is gaining from selling something for $26 when it costs them $0.50 to make? If it really is $0.50 when not just include it? Rumor has it the markup on an iPod is astronomical already.
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post #20 of 21
12/24/05 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by ilCacciatore
Did you just say you can't see how Apple is gaining from selling something for $26 when it costs them $0.50 to make? If it really is $0.50 when not just include it? Rumor has it the markup on an iPod is astronomical already.
lol.. you might want to start kissing your green dots goodbye

inc macattack
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