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The Moral Dilemma Thread

post #1 of 22
12/27/05 at 4:02pm
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UPS dropped off a Dell package at my workplace; but it wasn't for us. They just left a pile of boxes for another UPS person to pick up later. But no one came. Thats right, the UPS/Dell goodies were here ALL WEEKEND! I was so terribly tempted to open that box and just play dumb if anyone ever asked me what happened to it... I don't even know exactly what was in the box, but it wasn't anything large. I'm betting it was a smaller laptop.

In this situation, would you have opened the box (which is probably just about the exact same thing as stealing), hid the box (probably the same), or let the UPS lady come get it like she did 5 minutes ago?
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post #2 of 22
12/27/05 at 4:17pm
I've had it happen. I gave it back. I even saw it was a laptop too.
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post #3 of 22
12/27/05 at 4:31pm
your going to hell if you keep it (:

ups is careless if this is the situation.

think about it this way, you would be screwed even if you did keep it. dell would be told it was stolen, and youd get caught. you couldnt sell it on ebay, because ud get caught.
with that said, unless you dont use the internet, youd be caught.
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post #4 of 22
12/27/05 at 8:28pm
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Its already gone, I figure if they leave it there for some other driver to pick up, someone somewhere probably has record that's where it was last. It isn't an uncommon thing, they leave stuff at my work all the time. But it usually doesn't say Dell on the box...
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post #5 of 22
12/27/05 at 9:27pm
yea, best not to mess with stuff like that.
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post #6 of 22
12/28/05 at 3:59am
Ethical problem, not really "moral".

Ethics is nothing more than a way to find our true desires. If you were wondering if it was a good thing to keep it or not, it's because your true desire was not to keep it. Otherwise you simply had taken it without any remorse.

It would be a long discussion, but I would say that most people would not had kept it. Most of them because of fear of the consequences.

We are animals after all. Our instincts still guide us trough most of the path. And our insticts tell us that life and life integrity is the most important priority. So it's stupid to fight for food if you are not hungry, because you could get harmed for nothing.

As rational intelligence takes over instincts, the desire for food when not hungry also goes away. So there is a few people that would not have taken it simply because of personal proudness. It's difficult to wish a laptop and not take it, but it's even more difficult to not to wish to take it.

That's why "ethical" behaviour is so rewarding.
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post #7 of 22
12/28/05 at 7:23am
LOL, this kind of goes along with "if you found a laptop at an empty desk would you take it?"

When ever I am at school and I need to get up from the desk i always take at least the laptop with me. When ever some asks why I do I always respond "I take it with me because if I get more than 15 feet from my laptop the proximity fuse will activate and the laptop would detonate."

It gets a few odd stares but I think the point gets across pretty well to anyone who had any ideas to begin with.
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post #8 of 22
12/28/05 at 12:06pm
UPS has enough people stealing out of their warehouses...they don't need help from the masses! (;
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post #9 of 22
12/28/05 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by chevyrulz099
your going to hell if you keep it (:

ups is careless if this is the situation.

think about it this way, you would be screwed even if you did keep it. dell would be told it was stolen, and youd get caught. you couldnt sell it on ebay, because ud get caught.
with that said, unless you dont use the internet, youd be caught.
how would he be caught if he would use the internet?
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post #10 of 22
12/28/05 at 5:44pm
the Computrace, someone way back when told me it was enabled on all newer dells. im not sure if i want to enable mine yet.
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post #11 of 22
12/28/05 at 10:18pm
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Lolz. I've always thought it would be just about the most fun anyone ever had to just hi-jack a fully loaded UPS truck and spend the evening looking through boxes. I'd never do it, but the dude talking about people breaking into warehouses reminded me of it... Kind of a childhood fantasy.
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post #12 of 22
12/29/05 at 12:27am
that be a kicka$$ xmas present.

you really wouldnt know what your getting (:
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post #13 of 22
12/29/05 at 2:59am
yeah steal it buddy!? come on who cares about integrity or that little thing called your soul. im sure its going to be great playing counterstrike with your new imported toy. while some poor chap deals with haggling with ups over the holiday weekend because of his/her missing labtop. oh please keep us updated on what you finally did!?

wwjd
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post #14 of 22
12/30/05 at 2:47am
This kinda reminded me if I don't belong to EPP, do I take the 50% discount dilemma? It's kinda like stealing the laptop and only paying half. Yeah, I guess paying half is at least paying.
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post #15 of 22
12/31/05 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by mikemax
Most of them because of fear of the consequences.
Most people would be in this boat
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post #16 of 22
12/31/05 at 1:25pm
Hehe, reread the OP. nm
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post #17 of 22
1/2/06 at 3:29pm

Stolen Notebook Story

This reminded me of a situation I had with a laptop last year. I purchased a dell off eBay for 1500 last year and used escrow to receive it. When the company or person was shipping me the laptop www.escrow.com emailed me saying that they were a fraudulent company distributing stolen laptops and to not pay them the money, but the notebook was already shipped. So after about a week of having the notebook and not paying the money, the frauds were sending me menacing emails about how they would tell the authorities that I hadn't paid them. I called them out and told them I knew there were frauds and they never emailed me back. I called Dell and emailed Dell saying I had a stolen laptop and they replied saying that I could keep it because it cost them too much to bring it back and refurbish it, plus their figures aloud for a certain number of lost products.

In the end I got lucky, but still had to go through all the hoops to make sure I was legally liable.
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post #18 of 22
1/4/06 at 7:15pm
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To the "wwjd" dude:

I had already allowed the UPS lady to pick up the package at the time I started this thread, it was never a give-me-advice-on-what-to-do situation, it was more like I'm-curious-how-many-people-would-have-jacked-that-box situation.
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post #19 of 22
1/4/06 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by gtg649r
This reminded me of a situation I had with a laptop last year. I purchased a dell off eBay for 1500 last year and used escrow to receive it. When the company or person was shipping me the laptop www.escrow.com emailed me saying that they were a fraudulent company distributing stolen laptops and to not pay them the money, but the notebook was already shipped. So after about a week of having the notebook and not paying the money, the frauds were sending me menacing emails about how they would tell the authorities that I hadn't paid them. I called them out and told them I knew there were frauds and they never emailed me back. I called Dell and emailed Dell saying I had a stolen laptop and they replied saying that I could keep it because it cost them too much to bring it back and refurbish it, plus their figures aloud for a certain number of lost products.

In the end I got lucky, but still had to go through all the hoops to make sure I was legally liable.

That's a great story, glad it worked out for you. Dell probably received insurance money for the shipment so they don't care. The insurer might care but again they likely have bigger fish to fry.

TO THE ORIGINAL STORY:

Computers disappear all the time in corporate America. I worked for one company and the team I worked on had a 2 shared IBM support laptops and I kept 1 at home because no one else used it. I brought it in once for a meeting, lent it to someone else, and low and behold, it disappeared. No one ever saw it again and no one ever questioned it. A bunch of people (myself included) quit shortly thereafter. In the waning days of that company people were literally carting servers to their cars and taking them home.

At my current job we had a bruhaha today because we again have 2 support Compaq laptops and they were trying to figure out who had them. No stealing here - the parties fessed right up, but lax controls lead to shrinkage. I also worked on a contract once where a guy was given a deskop computer to take home and then he was fired the next day. He never did bring it back.
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post #20 of 22
1/9/06 at 11:10pm
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AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! I can't believe this, it's happening again. I'm actually in no way tempted to screw this guy over, but I just bought an Acer 4400 off ebay, and asked the guy to ship it to me COD due to the fact that he has low feedback and I don't want to just send him money. However, UPS tells him that he won't be getting his check for like 2 weeks, so he's shipping it to me (I have a tracking number) and he wants me to just send him the check via overnight UPS once I recieve the package. Ok, he is totally sending me a $1200 laptop in total faith that I'll pay him. I'm going to pay him, but I thought it was funny since I started this thread a while ago, and nothing like this has ever happened before. Now, it's like twice in a month's time!
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