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macbook pro & imac are SLOW!

post #1 of 35
1/18/06 at 12:59am
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yes thats right guys. its is slow. a cs major here that works in r mac lab on campus went to macworld and came back saying that the new macbook pro and imac are slower than the G5. He said the G4 runs smoother than both of them.

He said photoshop took 3 minutes to load but after that all the pallets were the same as a G5. He said the user interface was slugish and full of bottlenecks.

The funny thing that I heard from him is that he thought the core duo was 64 bit. I bet him and then won $20 by saying that it was 32. He said that may be the reason that the OS is running slow..........i dont know if I can trust that as a reason for it being slow.....being that he didnt even know what he was talking about.
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post #2 of 35
1/18/06 at 1:19am
When I first looked at the specs on the new MacBook Pro I was a little excited to see Apple offering something that looked so tasty. However, now that I look at the offerings of the notebook more and more, I become more judgemental that Apple may have cut some corners on this first round of Mactels. If I do ever decide to buy a Mac it needs to be better than what the MacBook offers right now. Hopefully in the near future they will improve on the design a bit.

My main improvements would be a 64-bit dual core (merom), a total power consumption at or under the current Powerbooks (the new MacBook has a higher power consumption), an 8X DL burner, get rid of iSight (it really is just a silly addon), add FW800 and maybe another USB port, and finally make the battery life at least 4.5 hours. The End!
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post #3 of 35
1/18/06 at 1:41am
raiderrod...just hte fact your friend said Yonah was 64 bit.... i think it proves right there he doesn't know what he is talking about.

I will attribute the "slowness" to the OS itself, rather than the hardware. If you put windows on taht hardware it will scream bloody murder...it will be quite fast. The fact that OS X x86 is still in the development stages, and the first few releases will in fact be quite buggy and still have the technology transition, we'll be seeing lag. The key lies in ROSETTA which changes the PPC code of the programs ran to x86 code, and naturally, like any other emulator, or "compatiblity layer" if you will, it costs you roughly 20% to 30% in performance. My bet is once they rewrite MacOS to be 100% native x86, withouth any PPC code at all, it will be much much faster on the given hardware.
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post #4 of 35
1/18/06 at 1:43am
I believe ABF would be right on the money there.

Seablade
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post #5 of 35
1/18/06 at 2:01am
Yet more proof that education is the biggest scam going. CS major, what a joke.

1. You're right, Core Duo is 32-bit.

2. Photoshop isn't even released for the x86 version of Mac OS X. In otherwords, the only way to run Photoshop on a Macbook Pro is through emulation software. Of course it's slow.

3. Try running Photoshop for Windows through Virtual PC on a G4 Mac and see how fast that is.

4. This CS major might actually get a job someday, probably working for Microsoft.

5. Enjoy your $20
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post #6 of 35
1/18/06 at 2:10am
Even Steve jobs admitted that photoshop wasn't ready for the new intel CPU's. AFB nailed it.
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post #7 of 35
1/18/06 at 2:44am
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ok......well all im sayin is that as badly as i want it, after this info, i think ill wait a bit on it and i definitly wont buy it before using it.
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post #8 of 35
1/18/06 at 3:05am
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Originally Posted by RaiderRod
ok......well all im sayin is that as badly as i want it, after this info, i think ill wait a bit on it and i definitly wont buy it before using it.
smart choice, hopefully it won't be sold out with a 2 month waiting list when you do decide to get one
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post #9 of 35
1/18/06 at 3:22am
OS X is fully native on x86 now. If the interface was sluggish—which every review I've heard of the new Macintels is completely opposite—then your friend is either unable to use a computer or the one he was using was having problems. And, as others have said, Photoshop is running purely under Rosetta at this moment so it's expected to be slower than it should be.

And honestly, why are people complaining that it's not 64 bit and that it uses too much power? Apple has no control over Yonah being 32 bit, and NO Intel based laptop will have 64 bit until the end of the year. As far as power consumption goes, it's going to be on par with every other Yonah laptop that has the same approximate specs.
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post #10 of 35
1/18/06 at 5:01am
i was on the 17" iMac at the local apple store today (very similar specs to the MacBook), was damn snappy around the OS. applying fifferent themes in iDVD and iMovie were quick and responsive. luanching safari and photobooth fresh off a boot, were both up in a second or 2. everything was quite smooth. maybe your friend could be more specific about the bottlenecks he/she ran into?
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post #11 of 35
1/18/06 at 6:02am
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first off he isnt my friend. just some dude that was at r mac store above r bookstore on campus that was sent by r school to the mac expo. thats what he said. he said the g5 runs much better than the macbook pro. he said it looks beautiful but it is obviously a test run. he said that the revison to it should be really good.

personally, im going to wait until its 64bit. i really dont care how long the wait is. im going to get what i want and not deal with BS. my current PC is running x64 and I will not get rid of it for a 32 bit mac with poor resolution and is getting some bad reviews.
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post #12 of 35
1/18/06 at 6:15am
sounds like he wants to get rid of his G5 stock to sucker students before the macbooks roll in, lol.
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post #13 of 35
1/18/06 at 12:22pm
If it was slower than the current models out, I doubt Apple would have released them.
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post #14 of 35
1/18/06 at 1:25pm
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardw...ac-coreduo.ars

Review on the IMac Duo, shows some decent comparisons, however please take CAREFUL note of ALL the specs(The Duo had the least Memory of all of them for example)

Seablade
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post #15 of 35
1/18/06 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by Xarthan
sounds like he wants to get rid of his G5 stock to sucker students before the macbooks roll in, lol.
i am aktually tryna sell my hypersonic ex7. i dont have a mac yet but i really want one.
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post #16 of 35
1/18/06 at 8:58pm
the new imacs are like 50 percent slower than imac G5 when it comes to programs like photoshop that aren't universal.
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post #17 of 35
1/18/06 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by EvilSquid
the new imacs are like 50 percent slower than imac G5 when it comes to programs like photoshop that aren't universal.
you mean programs that are coded for powerpc, right?
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post #18 of 35
1/18/06 at 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by RaiderRod
i am aktually tryna sell my hypersonic ex7. i dont have a mac yet but i really want one.
i wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the person u were talking to.
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post #19 of 35
1/19/06 at 12:57pm
Well, looks like it is pretty fast in this video. Check it out. Simultaneously boots the iMac with the intel chip, and one with the G5 chip.

h**p://www.youtube.com/w/iMac-G5-vs-iMac-Intel-Boot?v=zmaAZwkhYeQ&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b
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post #20 of 35
1/19/06 at 5:07pm
This isn't a torrent site, JK, you don't have to disable the link.

As far as this video is concerned...there is something wrong with the G5 if it's taking that long to boot up. Other tests have shown that the G5 boots up around the same time as the Intel Mac.
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