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post #1 of 64
Thread Starter 
hi friends,

i'm looking for suggestions on what router to buy as i am replacing mine.
need a strong router that won't drop signals. price range is $1-$100.

thank you hope to hear from you.
post #2 of 64
Best router is the Belkin Pre-N router W/3 antennas
post #3 of 64
If you get a Atheros mini-PCI card, the DGL-4300 isn't bad - 108MBps SuperG with QoS (Quality of Service) packet prioritization tech built-in.

Pre-N might be faster, but considering there are like, EIGHT goddamned technologies vying for the proverbial "One Standard to Bind Them," investing in ANY Pre-N tech isn't a good decision right now. SuperG at least works and you can install mini-PCI cards into the 9300s/XPSes quite easily - and save on having to use your PCMCIA slot.
post #4 of 64
destruya I agree with u but have used both and the pre-n is far superior even using the built in Dell or Intel cards. i get much better range & signal strength w/ the Belkin Router!

What is your experience?
post #5 of 64
Having never used Pre-N but being familiar with MIMO tech, I won't argue on the RANGE, but if you get a better antenna than the 5dbi that's on the DGL-4300 (Hawking makes a detachable 7dbi that CompUSA periodically sells for 9.99AR), you can alleviate a LOT of range issues in a household so far as your building's walls aren't lead-lined.
post #6 of 64
I've tryed the antenna's & they never worked as promised. Never tried the 7dbi so u may be right. I still think the Belkin is the easyist solution.
post #7 of 64
i have the pre-n; not recommended if using eMule! bittorrent works though
post #8 of 64
The Problem with Consumer Grade Routers

The problem with consumer-grade routers like Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, Belkin, and the likes is that they company specs the product and then farms the manufacturing out to multiple overseas companies. The result is one model number with multiple hardware revision numbers because each manufacturer can used totally different components in the device. This means completely different firmware trees as well since the firmware is tied to the components.

For example, I have a nice little D-Link DI-524 wireless G router that kicks ass with my computer. Why? It's a hardware rev C which happens to be Atheros based and I use an Atheros NIC. It's perfect. However, my brother-in-law has a D-Link DI-525 rev A that uses some other chipset which has several problems including some really bad firmware bugs. To the average consumer, the units look exactly the same, including having the same model number. In all, there are around 5 or 6 hardware revs for this router, and which one you get can make a big difference for you.

Ever wonder why these companies get such a bad rap for tech support when it comes to troubleshooting advanced problems? They have no control over the hardware and firmware. They do NOT code the firmware in-house. It's all done by the individual overseas companies and the parent company is at their mercy for updates and information. So you end up with a tech support agent who may really know his/her stuff, but is dependent on some foreign company to supply them with information and fixes.

It is very important to keep this in mind when recommending or asking for recommendations on routers. Always include the hardware and firmware revision numbers in your recommendations. Sometimes you can just look at a sticker on the bottom of the unit (D-Link for instance), sometimes you have to go online and find out what hardware rev you have based on the serial number (Linksys).

If you want to avoid this, you have to drop some serious money on a brand like Sonicwall where all their product development, firmware, etc, is done in house and is aimed at much higher levels of security and reliability than the less expensive brands.


Don't Get What You Don't Need

The speed rating of a router is the speed between your wireless computer and the router. (The speed will actually be a little slower due to the overhead of wireless, but there's nothing to be done about that.)

Here are some scenarios to consider:

1. You have one computer at home and you want to have wireless access to your broadband Internet connection.

At 54 megabit, any wireless G router will be much faster than your Internet connection, therefore, speed enhancements that allow you to connect at 108 megabit or faster will have absolutely no effect on your connection, and any extra money you spend on getting these enhancements will be wasted.

2. You have two or more computers in your home and you want 1 or more of them to have wireless access to your broadband Internet connection via a LAN.

In this case the speed of your connection CAN make a difference, but only if you are planning on transferring large amounts of data between a wireless computer and any other computer on the LAN. For gaming, 54 megabit is still much faster than what's needed. Depending on your needs, you may benefit from the faster connection speeds offered by enhanced speed routers.

Lots of people don't need anything faster than 54 megabit, but they don't realize it and they waste money buying the faster routers.

Tomorrow I'm setting up a wireless LAN at the home of a federal judge here in Brazil. He and his wife each have a laptop, and all they use them for is office-type work, email, and Internet access. The Internet connection is 4 megabit. They have absolutely no need for speeds beyond 54 megabit.

However, they need good security and reliable hardware since a week after I set this up, I'm leaving the country. I can't leave them with a new, shiny, unproven router that may still have some high maintenance growing pains ahead of it.

I am installing two Linksys WRT54GL routers with the optional Linksys high-gain antennas. One as a wireless router in the 3rd floor office, and one as a wireless access point in the 1st floor office. This will give them solid, house-wide wireless coverage with better router security due to the third party firmware I will be installing. (more on that later) The end result is an inexpensive, reliable, above-average home wireless installation without having to drop big money on Sonicwall or the likes.


How I Chose

I just spent 3 days and 30 phone calls researching the latest consumer-level wireless router offerings. I spent tons of time on broadbandreports.com.

One of the most proven and flexible G routers is the Linksys WRT54G. The advantages of this router are the fact that it's been around for a long time and has good, stable firmware. The current version of this router is hardware revision 5. However, the most popular version of this router is hardware rev 4 because the firmware is Linux-based and there are multiple third party firmware version for it that enable it to do some extremely advanced, professional-level routing tasks. It can essentially be turned into a little Linux computer that does advanced routing.

There was so much demand for this router after the V5 came out that Linksys actually added the V4 to the product line with it's own individual model number, the WRT54GL. The L version IS a WRT54G version 4. This is considered the Holy Grail of wireless G consumer level routers because it can easily transcend it's consumer level market in regards to functionality and security. This is hands down the most popular consumer level router with advanced users.

The Linksys SRX400 products that are just coming out are very good on paper, but they are brand new and will no doubt suffer some growing pains in the firmware department. The WRT54GX4 uses MIMO (Multiple In, Multiple Out) technology that allows signals to be bounced all over the place in order to make the connection. Range is incredible, and speed is enhanced as well.

From what I've read, it's the best implementation of MIMO in the consumer level market so far. Again, 1st gen revs can always suffer some major growing pains, so take that into account if you want the latest and greatest of anything when it comes to wireless routers.

-Doc
post #9 of 64
Grab a Linksys. Cisco owns them now, so you know the quality isn't going to go down. Also, Linksys routers have by far the most extensive selection of 3rd party firmware and hacks that will extend the features and functionality of the router. I'm running one now that lets me boost the power by 40% and gives me tons of additional QoS and bandwidth throttling features.
post #10 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc.Caliban
The Problem with Consumer Grade Routers

The problem with consumer-grade routers like Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, Belkin, and the likes is that they company specs the product and then farms the manufacturing out to multiple overseas companies. The result is one model number with multiple hardware revision numbers because each manufacturer can used totally different components in the device. This means completely different firmware trees as well since the firmware is tied to the components.

For example, I have a nice little D-Link DI-524 wireless G router that kicks ass with my computer. Why? It's a hardware rev C which happens to be Atheros based and I use an Atheros NIC. It's perfect. However, my brother-in-law has a D-Link DI-525 rev A that uses some other chipset which has several problems including some really bad firmware bugs. To the average consumer, the units look exactly the same, including having the same model number. In all, there are around 5 or 6 hardware revs for this router, and which one you get can make a big difference for you.

Ever wonder why these companies get such a bad rap for tech support when it comes to troubleshooting advanced problems? They have no control over the hardware and firmware. They do NOT code the firmware in-house. It's all done by the individual overseas companies and the parent company is at their mercy for updates and information. So you end up with a tech support agent who may really know his/her stuff, but is dependent on some foreign company to supply them with information and fixes.

It is very important to keep this in mind when recommending or asking for recommendations on routers. Always include the hardware and firmware revision numbers in your recommendations. Sometimes you can just look at a sticker on the bottom of the unit (D-Link for instance), sometimes you have to go online and find out what hardware rev you have based on the serial number (Linksys).

If you want to avoid this, you have to drop some serious money on a brand like Sonicwall where all their product development, firmware, etc, is done in house and is aimed at much higher levels of security and reliability than the less expensive brands.


Don't Get What You Don't Need

The speed rating of a router is the speed between your wireless computer and the router. (The speed will actually be a little slower due to the overhead of wireless, but there's nothing to be done about that.)

Here are some scenarios to consider:

1. You have one computer at home and you want to have wireless access to your broadband Internet connection.

At 54 megabit, any wireless G router will be much faster than your Internet connection, therefore, speed enhancements that allow you to connect at 108 megabit or faster will have absolutely no effect on your connection, and any extra money you spend on getting these enhancements will be wasted.

2. You have two or more computers in your home and you want 1 or more of them to have wireless access to your broadband Internet connection via a LAN.

In this case the speed of your connection CAN make a difference, but only if you are planning on transferring large amounts of data between a wireless computer and any other computer on the LAN. For gaming, 54 megabit is still much faster than what's needed. Depending on your needs, you may benefit from the faster connection speeds offered by enhanced speed routers.

Lots of people don't need anything faster than 54 megabit, but they don't realize it and they waste money buying the faster routers.

Tomorrow I'm setting up a wireless LAN at the home of a federal judge here in Brazil. He and his wife each have a laptop, and all they use them for is office-type work, email, and Internet access. The Internet connection is 4 megabit. They have absolutely no need for speeds beyond 54 megabit.

However, they need good security and reliable hardware since a week after I set this up, I'm leaving the country. I can't leave them with a new, shiny, unproven router that may still have some high maintenance growing pains ahead of it.

I am installing two Linksys WRT54GL routers with the optional Linksys high-gain antennas. One as a wireless router in the 3rd floor office, and one as a wireless access point in the 1st floor office. This will give them solid, house-wide wireless coverage with better router security due to the third party firmware I will be installing. (more on that later) The end result is an inexpensive, reliable, above-average home wireless installation without having to drop big money on Sonicwall or the likes.


How I Chose

I just spent 3 days and 30 phone calls researching the latest consumer-level wireless router offerings. I spent tons of time on broadbandreports.com.

One of the most proven and flexible G routers is the Linksys WRT54G. The advantages of this router are the fact that it's been around for a long time and has good, stable firmware. The current version of this router is hardware revision 5. However, the most popular version of this router is hardware rev 4 because the firmware is Linux-based and there are multiple third party firmware version for it that enable it to do some extremely advanced, professional-level routing tasks. It can essentially be turned into a little Linux computer that does advanced routing.

There was so much demand for this router after the V5 came out that Linksys actually added the V4 to the product line with it's own individual model number, the WRT54GL. The L version IS a WRT54G version 4. This is considered the Holy Grail of wireless G consumer level routers because it can easily transcend it's consumer level market in regards to functionality and security. This is hands down the most popular consumer level router with advanced users.

The Linksys SRX400 products that are just coming out are very good on paper, but they are brand new and will no doubt suffer some growing pains in the firmware department. The WRT54GX4 uses MIMO (Multiple In, Multiple Out) technology that allows signals to be bounced all over the place in order to make the connection. Range is incredible, and speed is enhanced as well.

From what I've read, it's the best implementation of MIMO in the consumer level market so far. Again, 1st gen revs can always suffer some major growing pains, so take that into account if you want the latest and greatest of anything when it comes to wireless routers.

-Doc
Good summary - All my test confirm exactly what you said --

Lou
post #11 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Groove75
Grab a Linksys. Cisco owns them now, so you know the quality isn't going to go down. Also, Linksys routers have by far the most extensive selection of 3rd party firmware and hacks that will extend the features and functionality of the router. I'm running one now that lets me boost the power by 40% and gives me tons of additional QoS and bandwidth throttling features.
You cannot run thrid party firmware on just any Linksys router. (See above post)

But if you get one that can, you can do amazing things with it.

-Doc
post #12 of 64
One thing to keep in mind is that the newer, faster routers also have some really good range-extending abilities. If you have a difficult installation to do in regards to wireless, you may want to consider a router with newer technology to get the better range.

Again though, I'm getting full coverage in a 3-story, all concrete construction home with two standard wireless G routers. The coverage of the two routers is better than one "newer" router, and at the same cost, if not a tad cheaper.

-Doc
post #13 of 64
I have the Dlink DGL-4300 and have been very happy with it.

I have the Atheros mini wireless card in my laptop now and connect at 108mb to it as well.

This is excellent from when I'm running Alcohol to mount CD/DVD images from my server. Speed is excellent this way.
post #14 of 64
Doc.. Great report for those new to wireless! Many good points. I have the Linksys WRT54G next door for when I need a 2nd network connection.

Locally I have the D-Link DGL-4300, same as newguru, and have so say I'm just as happy with it as the WRT54G. I use the DGL-4300 locally since we do alot of large file transfers daily with single files between 700MB and 8Gigs. The 108Mbps is just simply required.

Atheros AR5006XS card also here in both laptops! Rock stable network connection since I installed these!
post #15 of 64
adrenolin, where do u get a Atheros AR5006XS? i want one, pardon my noobness
post #16 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haze
adrenolin, where do u get a Atheros AR5006XS? i want one, pardon my noobness
In the Group Buy thread 55 for 1 and reduced shipping for additional cards.
post #17 of 64
ty man, but besides ebay and the group buy, u cant purchase this card anywhere else?
post #18 of 64
I'm sure you can although you'll likely spend a LOT more! Just do the Group Buy.. At least 50 people here have already done this without problems and I'm thinking that by now its closer to 100 or more.
post #19 of 64
I think Doc had a lot of great points, especially the speed vs. need part of his post. Amazing how many people don't understand that. But anyway...

I use the original Linksys WRT54GX in my 3500 sq foot home. I play all my mmo's on my laptop with the internal 5006 Atheros. I bought this router specifically for the range. I am at other side of house, downstairs, almost exclusively, and never have less than 80% signal and 54mb speed. Not only that, but the neighborhood park is equal to 3 doors down. I can go watch the kids and surf and play to my hearts content. Also, just this weekend, I went and bought the neighbor a WPC54GX card and antenna (all included) to hook her up on our network. Single mom, down on her luck, blah, blah..favor to my wife. Anyway, she gets as good a signal from her desktop in her bedroom as I do downstairs.

Lots of things determine specific needs, but I just wanted to pipe up about the range and stability of the SRX. Works great for me.

Mitch
post #20 of 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by like2play247
I think Doc had a lot of great points, especially the speed vs. need part of his post. Amazing how many people don't understand that. But anyway...

I use the original Linksys WRT54GX in my 3500 sq foot home. I play all my mmo's on my laptop with the internal 5006 Atheros. I bought this router specifically for the range. I am at other side of house, downstairs, almost exclusively, and never have less than 80% signal and 54mb speed. Not only that, but the neighborhood park is equal to 3 doors down. I can go watch the kids and surf and play to my hearts content. Also, just this weekend, I went and bought the neighbor a WPC54GX card and antenna (all included) to hook her up on our network. Single mom, down on her luck, blah, blah..favor to my wife. Anyway, she gets as good a signal from her desktop in her bedroom as I do downstairs.

Lots of things determine specific needs, but I just wanted to pipe up about the range and stability of the SRX. Works great for me.

Mitch

Great comments. The SRX technology is great, and the new SRX400 should be incredible.

Let me take a moment to point out something about SRX product numbers.

There are three versions of SRX routers at the moment:

WRT54GX = The original SRX
WRT54GX2 = SRX 200
WRT54GX4 = SRX 400

The important thing to note is that the X2 (SRX 200) is the lowest level of the technology, NOT the middle ground between the original and the X4. After SRX came out, Linksys created a less expensive, and not quite as good version of the routers and called them SRX 200. This is confusing because "SRX 200" sounds like it would be a step up from the original, but it is not.

Based on the level of the technology, the parts should be in THIS order:

WRT54GX2 = SRX 200
WRT54GX = The original SRX
WRT54GX4 = SRX 400

Just a heads-up to make shopping for these routers a little less confusing.

-Doc
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