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Sager NP5720C Locks Up While Playing Games

post #1 of 23
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My sager NP5720C i've had almost a month now locks up when i play games.
CS : Source and FFXI are two that i've had lock ups happen while playing after a few hours. Happens pretty consistently, it will lock up and I have to restart. My fan is always on, there is never anything blocking the vents and sometimes I try and prop my computer up half an inch off the desk and it will still lock up. Not sure if its overheating but it seems to be, the area where the GPU is gets really hot. It starts displaying some jerky animation recently as well. Anyone else experience these problems? Shouldn't the cooling sysmtem that came with the computer be able to keep the thing cool enough to protect it?! I don't know, please help. Thanks.
post #2 of 23
No idea on that buddy, my graphics card gets really hot too when I play CS Source or BF2 but it runs just fine... Maybe it's the videocard going bad. Also, how much ram do you have? I'd call whoever you bought it from and ask them what to do. Worst case, you'll have to send it in for repairs..
post #3 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by nothi
My sager NP5720C i've had almost a month now locks up when i play games.
CS : Source and FFXI are two that i've had lock ups happen while playing after a few hours. Happens pretty consistently, it will lock up and I have to restart. My fan is always on, there is never anything blocking the vents and sometimes I try and prop my computer up half an inch off the desk and it will still lock up. Not sure if its overheating but it seems to be, the area where the GPU is gets really hot. It starts displaying some jerky animation recently as well. Anyone else experience these problems? Shouldn't the cooling sysmtem that came with the computer be able to keep the thing cool enough to protect it?! I don't know, please help. Thanks.
Hey Nothi,

Sorry to hear about your troubles...

Listen, something in your post reveals a big clue to the origin of your problem.

To quote you from your post, "Not sure if its overheating but it seems to be, the area where the GPU is gets really hot."

When you say, 'Area where the GPU is', where exactly are you speaking of?

Do you mean the copper heatsink and fan vent? When you hold your hand behind the vent, are you feeling hot air or just warm air? Of course this varies on the distance from which you hold your hand to the air. So to be fair, hold your hand 2-3 inches from the vent and ask yourself, is this hot air or warm air? Even under load while gaming you should not be feeling "Hot" air, maybe pretty warm, but not hot. Of course this is subjective, but remember the 5720 runs as cool as a cucumber so if your noticing excessive heat then this is probably the issue.

Do your fans cycle on full blast often and for lengthy periods of time?

It sounds to me like your system may have gotten a bad application of thermal compound. Thermal compound works as a conductor between your CPU dye and heatsink in case you did not know.

Essentially, thermal compound makes your CPU and heatsink as one so that the CPU may efficiently release heat through the heatsink's heat fins.

In other words, thermal compound is made up of heat conducive metals (Aluminum, Silver) that pass heat from your CPU to your heatsink so that your CPU can be cooled off. Without a proper application of this compound, it's impossible for your CPU to be properly cooled. This does happen from time to time, so I would send the unit in for inspection if I were you.

Many lock-ups are attributed to heat, so you may also want to quickly scan all of the fans in your system and make sure they are fully functional as well...

Get the system back to Sager and make them inspect the system

Also, run this little app and tell us what temps you are seeing. The guage you need to look at is the "Temperature" guage. This is actually your CPU temp and can be within +-10 degrees of accuracy, but something is better than nothing...

Get Mobile Meter completely free right here... Simply extract it and double click the MOBMETER icon.

http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconVa...310/mm0310.zip

Hopes this helps and Good Luck...
post #4 of 23
Sorry,

Bad link, can't edit my original post for some reason...

Here is the the Mobile Meter link you need...

http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-Oakland/8259/

post #5 of 23
i had that exact same problem over prolonged play. now it is completely fixed with carefully re-applied AS5, and some dusting of the fan inlet/outlet and all heat sinks.
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
By the area where the GPU is i mean the middle compartment area, I guess that includes the CPU too. Basically the middle back part of the laptop where there is a monitor plug. On the picture on sager's website it says right around there is where the CPU is housed. In the manual it says the GPU is around the same area.

Okay and I ran that program. System idles at around 55 degrees C, when I start playing games it jumps to about mid 80s. The fan never jumps to 100% before it will lock up. It will lock up after about 30-45 minutes of play (games). When I have the fan on 100% it will last about 3 hours before it will lock up. I still get the occasional jerk period though. The processor still stays at about 80 degrees with the fan on 100%. The air blowing out the back is at least warm, not sure about hot...but it is pretty warm.

I tested this all this morning with that program. You can feel the heat on the top in the mid section of the laptop, especially when you feel the bottom it gets hot.
post #7 of 23
prop your computer up at the back to let air flow. i usually use a book. you can get fans or stands that work better but im broke so ive been using a book. also make sure you have the right drivers, bios, and that your comp is defragged. diskeeper.com
post #8 of 23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertSagerUser
prop your computer up at the back to let air flow. i usually use a book. you can get fans or stands that work better but im broke so ive been using a book. also make sure you have the right drivers, bios, and that your comp is defragged. diskeeper.com
I've done all that. Except for using diskeeper... I even bought an USB fan plate to put underneath the laptop and it still locks up and jerks.
post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 
Opened it up. There is thermal paste on the GPU, but not the CPU. Just the black square (thermal pad?). Is this right? No paste for the cpu?
post #10 of 23
DEFINATELY something wrong with the heat there. My 5720 CPU idles at 38-39C and goes up to high 40s when gaming ... I'd recheck the heating solution you got there and takre off any thermal pads/paste that you have there now and apply AS5 or any other thermal paste that's good.
post #11 of 23
Apparantly editing is desabled on this board....

80 degrees Celsius = 176 degrees Fahrenheit

Now think about how hot that is and how bad it can damage your system.

Any deal of propping up and suspending might help a little but that is not the issue.

Right now my 5720 is standing on a wooden table and it's idling at 40C. My fans usually kick in when it gets to 50 and take it down to 38 when I just turn my laptop on. When I play BF2 or CS it stays at about 45-47. My machine is only a week old though so I do not know how age effects temperatures. I havent taken off the GPU or CPU yet but I know that the GPU has some gry rubber thing as a thermal pad. The CPU, if it doesn't have that, where you just see a shiny black die in the middle of the chip that would be the core. Look and see if there's anything on the heatsink itself. If not, then apply thermal paste to the die, I suggest like half a grain of rice should do it(look up a tutorial somewhere) then reapply the heatsink leveled with the core so it spreads the paste equally and if it still gets hot RMA that sucker. and ask them to replace the parts.
post #12 of 23
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[img=http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3008/cimg00091rk.th.jpg]

Is my CPU...

[img=http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7396/cimg00109ns.th.jpg]

Is my heatsink...

Everything looks okay, i don't see why i'm having the trouble with lockups and a hot CPU and others aren't. Even when i set it to portable/laptop power mode I still get a hot CPU. In that mode it goes down to about 40s when idling (which i guess is a little better...) but then when game time starts goes right back to using full CPU and the temperature shoots back up. =(
post #13 of 23
Well for one thing, that black stuff on the heatsink and the leftovers of it on the CPU is the thermal paste used by clevo/sager. I suggest you clean it off and apply your own, if you do not notice drops in temperature might be some improper wiring or shorting somewhere on the board causing something to get hot. Really, call sager tomorrow and ask them what to do.
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
Okay i will call them tomorrow. I've been e-mailing but its very slow going...

CPU was at 90 degrees C and the fan still didn't kick up to 100%, if it was going at all. Any idea why the fan isn't kicking on? Just a side problem to the real one, it still gets in the 80s with the fan full blast.
post #15 of 23
Just to let ya know, 100c is boiling point, 90c will most likely damage your system. I'd let it stay off until you get in contact with sager and have them tell you what to do. I found emailing to be very slow. I do however know that calling them works.
post #16 of 23
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What number did you use? The one I called just told me to leave a message and they'll get back to me. This how you did it?
post #17 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by nothi
Opened it up. There is thermal paste on the GPU, but not the CPU. Just the black square (thermal pad?). Is this right? No paste for the cpu?
BINGO!!!

Send it back to Sager and yell at them for that! OMG, I can't believe Q/A would let this happen. Tell them you want a completely new CPU and want the system checked head to toe. Furthermore, considering the circumstances, make them pay for shipping.

Just as I stated nothi, I had a funny feeling they may have not put any thermal compound on your CPU. YES YOU NEED THIS AS MY PREVIOUS POST STATES!!! WITHOUT IT YOU CANNOT COOL YOUR CPU, SO YOUR CPU IS BEING COOLED 0%!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely except NOTHING less then a completely new lappy or at the very least a new chip...

I just had a hunch this is what happened to you... Dumb ss Sager
post #18 of 23
Just saw your photos, they simply used the stock heatsink Thermal Compound pad and did not apply any professional compound. I have seen this happen before, the compound pad simply did not have enough compound for your chip and the CPU DYE IS MELTED ON YOUR CHIP!

Make sure your CPU is replaced, your CPU is damaged...

Sorry about this, Sager is a great company but this was a boneheaded move considering the quality of Sager...

It happens so make sure you're compensated...
post #19 of 23
I used the number that you dialed, except I called during business hours, remember they are in Cali, so it's PST time there. I called a couple of times till someone picked it up and talked to them.
post #20 of 23
Thread Starter 
They called back and I explained it to them. I have to RMA it now, do I send just the computer back or everything (PS/CDs/etc) as well? I forgot to ask...if it comes down to it I will just send everything back to be sure.

I told them everything except for the part about no paste on the CPU, I didn't mention I opened up. Should I leave that in the description of the problem when I send it in? Any idea how long it will take to get it back? Wish I'd of asked before they hung up...oh well. Do I ask them for a new CPU?

What is melted on the chip? The heat sink thermal compound? Thanks for your help, I can't believe this stuff happens...thats a lot of money to mess up something simple like that.
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