WTF is up with Hypersonic's pricing ? - Page 2

boomheadshot45 is correct all the base motherboard, case, and hardware are the same, its what the different vendors use as their options (HDs, GPUs, ect.) and support. Even reading these and other forumns, one has to look at the number of people that complain. If 10 people complain but a total of 350 people order that brand of box, its a failure rate of 3%. This is an unwriten acceptable margin in the electronics world. What makes it look so bad is that those 10 people post and post and post and flame and look like 100 and even fewer post their successfull purchases.

The 10 is just an easy number to use for the math. We all know the numbers are different but the concept is correct.

Look at the XBox360 and PSP launches, the total failure rate was right around the 3% mark. But it made the news and news watches because of the limited availabilty of some units and people anticipating their purchased units and then get a bad unit, complain very loudly, and get all the attention.

Just a thought to keep in mind. Its not Hypersonic, AW, Sager, ect. that produces the bad unit, its Clevo, nVidia and the originating vendors that are the major pains.

what the fvck are u talkin about???the croe architectures are completely different, and the 5700 lines up with the CX7. the EX7/FX7 compete against the 7700, the difference is form-factors. the 5700/CX7 are thinner and utiliz a mobile processor and single opticaldrive/hdd. the 7700/EX7/FX7 utilize a larger chassis allowing for a higher temperature threshhgold. this is how u squeeze and FX-60 into a laptop. also the larger chassis allows for raid arrays and multiple optical drives. simply because the 5700 isnt offered with the 7800gtx, doesnt mean they arent matched up againsyeach other.

and dranzaz, u are absolutely correct. clevo 's motherboards are usually the main fault. bastards!

I don't quite understand Hypersonic's pricing either. I was looking at the fx7, 900k/9750 and certainly can't justify buying an fx7 over a Sager 9750 when the Hypersonic is out of line with most clevo resellers.

I sent in a request asking if there were any unadvertised discounts or promotions but was told there were none. Not a big suprise here but I can't justify paying over $450 more for the same notebook just to have it say Hypersonic and it boggles my mind that many others could either.

Sorry if I seem to be aggitated, as I don't normally go this route. But it just blows my mind when someone makes a post like this. What specs are you using to price the Hypersonic system $450 over a Sager system? I just spec'd out a Sager 9750 from PCTorque ($4035 - I always go here first because if I was buying a Sager - they would have my business), a Sager 9750 from Sager ($4344), an Aurora m7700 from Alienware ($4999 - doublechecked twice - I must be doing something wrong here) and an FX7 from Hypersonic ($4183). The specs were:

AMD FX-60
2gb RAM
100gb 7200 SATA
7800 w/256mb
108mbps Wireless
Windows XP Professional
3yr Warranty

No.. I didn't max out hard drives or optical drives, add tuners, etc. But I priced a system that I feel seems to be the norm that people are looking at. And I didn't include dead pixel on the prices either.

People continue to rehash this thread and love to beat up Hypersonic for their outrageous price differences - and this is just not the case. Sure - add a color paint job to the mix and there is going to be $450 difference. But you are changing the specs... this is one reason I don't say much about Alienware. I include them for comparison, but when you buy an m7700, you are not getting a 9750 look alike, and because of this, I can reason price differences.

When you are talking $100 or so difference, then start comparing other things done at the sites. Is Artic Silver being applied to the systems like Hypersonic is doing. Is 72-hr burn-ins being done like Hypersonic is doing. If this is not the case - then factor this in. And for those who believe this is not being done at Hypersonic - this has been discussed before and not needed now. I have to go off the trust from my own experiences and what they state they do.

Bottom line. Bring facts to the table. If you list out the systems you compared, then it allows others to see whether this is the case or not. Hopefully, people will check for themselves when they are pricing out the systems. But I want to make sure they are not misled and end up not pricing the system themselves!

Thanks.

I wanted to follow this post with a disclaimer.

In no way am I trying to cause a price war discussion when I start listing prices that I find. The only reason I post these are to show the differences. And I try very hard to review the selections I make to keep things fair. I do not have anything to gain by misrepresenting the prices - rather want to ensure fair information is provided.

Also - as stated above, when I select options, I do not select options that are in the best interest of Hypersonic or are problem areas in other companies. I simply pick a system that seems to be the normal spec'd system - and mostly similar to what I would be looking for.

I just want to make this clear. I came off a bit strong in the last post and I wanted to ensure that it doesn't create a bash thread for Hypersonic or any other company.

Thanks.

No need to get so upset and mad because I and many others believe you spent too much money with Hypersonic. I just redid a config. with Pc Torque and Hypersonic.

hypersonic 4213 pctorque 3883.43 (cash discount)

Apparently I had exaggerated slightly and the difference was $329 for the same system. That really wants me to run right out and give by a Hypersonic now that it is only $329 more............ Seriously though, why get so upset? I didn't insult your wife or say your dog was ugly, I simpily don't see the logic or paying more when there are resellers like pctorque and discountlaptops out there offering cash discounts and all reviews state they have great service. If the price were the same or even $50 more I would seriously consider Hyper. That's why I started looking at this section of the forum in the first place afterall.

Cash is cash

If you have the 3883.43 in your pocket right now fine go get it. The thing about the cash up front is more for corporate who can do the purchase orders and volume orders. Others like to pay over time. Not everyone likes to dump a lot of cash out all at once.

Thus you can find a 0% card charge the Hype machine, sit back collect a few $$ interest during the period, and probably come out ahead of the 3883.43.

At your $330 savings. that 3883. at todays rate of 4.75 and lets say a 0% card for 6 months promotional rate, that would yield you get you $110. So we are talking around $200 give or take price difference.

Seriously if you are buying these machines, whats $200 compared to the overall cost? And please dont tell me because if you are looking at these machines you can afford that difference either way.

Ok let's not argue and I'll ask you to educate me as to what I may be missing by buying a Sager from PcTorque or Discountlaptops. I haven't bought yet so what is the real difference I'm paying for?

Artic Silver? Nope, Sager has it.

Burn In? I've built 10-15 desktops over the last 7 years for family and friends and the best way to "burn in" a system is heavy use. If it will break in the first few days I can do it The mail in warranty is the same so no real benifit. Most burn ins are more a selling point than anything else.

On Site Extended Warranty? Nope Pc and Disc both have it while other resellers don't and the price is virtually the same.

Customer service and Reputation? From looking at these boards and notebookreview I see more complaining about Hyper than praise. I'm sure like anything forums can be slanted so let's call it even from a person w/o experience either way.

Ok let's say I didn't have the cash on hand even though I'm the type that never uses credit for purchases under 10k. What is the benifit for going with Hper? Seriously I want to know w/o an argument in case I am missing something.

Its called personal choice

I got a Hype because they worked into my financial plan better than PCTorque. And I got a paint job on top. It was my choice. Plus if I have a problem I can personally travel to them and hand deliver the machine.

You can choose whatever brand you want Im just pointing out my personal reasons. It doesnt matter to me at all.

By the way Notebook forums did not influence me in the purchase, it was resellerrating, Powerpc and PCTorque. They were a good source of info that I needed, but they did not offer the machine that I was looking for. Their options were narrower than Hypes and they still are. I did the research I checked all the clevo resellers, and Hype was the best offer at the time (Last Sept.).

So if you can afford to drop the 3883, why arent you ordering it then? If its a good deal get it no need to say any more, dont you think?

Thanks for the reply, that makes perfect since as to your whys. If I had a reseller close to me I would go with them for a little more money too, heck shipping fees alone if there is a problem could eat that up fast. I'm way too cheap to splurge on something like a paint job after biting the bullet on a top of the line rig but I do envy them.

I haven't bought yet because while I may argue the Sager is a better deal I'm not convinced it is the best deal. That and I can't decide whether to wait just a wee lil bit longer for the go7900gtx. Sticker shock on a system that I may not be able to upgrade the gfx scares the crap out of me honestly. This will be my first new notebook in close to 5 years and when you are used to building nice desktops with upgrade paths a non upgradeable notebook is taking me a while to swallow even though I desperately need need a new one to game with since I am travelling frequently and stuck bored in a hotel or RV somewhere often.

I really wasn't trying to argue the points but from the exact system I want (other than an mxm3 upgrade path ) the Hyper is quite a bit more and Ratmyr's post set annoyed me likely how my post annoyed him. I figure I can hold out maybe two more weeks and if more info on the 7900's aren't announced I'll go nutty and buy but til then I'll be searching for the absolute best deal possible.

Thats what this end of the game is about

Its not the hardware, its the best bang for the buck. No one can argue that. And if you can get that better deal great.

As far as the cards coming out left and right its crazy keeping track of them. I got the ATI because I have had ATI for a long time, and I have had no problems with them. As I said in another post the way AMD and Nvidia are playing I would be willing to give it a try down the road when the next great OS finally hits the ground. But as far as SLI in a Lappy forget it. I will stick to the one card thank you.

I have a feeling that you wont have any problem with upgrades, manufacturers are getting the picture.

Just do your research, it doesnt cost a dime and if you save a dime so much the better.

sorry chode i wasn't clear yeah i messed up n that, i am with ratymr on this one! hes right

go figure but there are rumers of desk top 7900 gtx selling cheeper then 7800 gtx cos they have less transisters (dont quote me on this ) though im not sure this is the case with the laptop gpu and not only that since its probably going to be another 6 months till a new gpu comes out for a lappy id probably wait a few more weeks to get the 7900gtx ....but thats just me

You just happened to be the latest to post as you did and I reacted. No more heartache on this side of the fence and definitely have moved on.

My story is still the same - my original reason for going with Hypersonic was due to the paint jobs. I was thinking about purchasing the Gaming Elite system known as Alienware. For those outside of the forums and not knowledgeable on what was out there - Alienware was the #1 system for gamers. But I was brought to the forums here and learned about the Sager machines and the whole Clevo deal.

When I was looking to purchase a system, I was about to order through PCTorque. Why? At the time, everything I needed to know, I got from them. They were very helpful and the forums was definitely a good source of information.

However, because I was spending a lot of money on a system and I was moving away from a cool looking Alienware, I wanted something that had style and uniqueness. PCTorque had paintjobs, but when they were releasing the 8790 - the paintjobs were not available. I had been looking at other boutiques because of this and found Hypersonic.

Just as PCTorque - the information I needed, they were providing me. I talked with both sales and other owners and decided that this was the route I was going to go with.

Since then, I have purchased the GX7, EX7 and now the CX7. In all cases, I have had no overwhelming reason to shift companies. I continue to price out systems from other makers to ensure that I am not making a big mistake, and other than what I call minimal price differences - I go with what I know.

Yes - you are seeing posts about those who have had bad service, or issues with their systems. Yes you are reading about bad reviews on reseller rating sites and the sort. And it may seem like an overwhelming amount compared to other threads here at notebookforums. This is going to be a problem with any company simply because those with good experiences may not come to the forums. But those with bad want others to know so they make appropriate decisions. Just the nature of the beast. And when those who have problems come here - Pat and I try and do everything we can to help them out. Pat is an awesome help.

That is why I have kept with Hypersonic. I have had good service, fast support and my systems have been awesome. True - my EX7 was taken from me in its prime and I have no idea how it would have continued to handle. But while I had it - it kicked butt and looked nice doing so.

Attention - All Read This!

Now… with that aside, I want to make something very clear. I am addressing the populace of the thread and focusing everyone's attention to a major ruling that we have - no bashing of companies.

This thread has the capability of becoming a company bashing thread due to everyone being sensitive to what they spend money on…. No issues with that. One company charging customers something that is $200-300 more than another is an issue to some individuals and may not be for others. You know what - that is life. Again, no issues.

However - when we take a pop shot at another company, or the customers who purchase from that company - it is not acceptable. This was done in one of the messages above that I must have missed. It was a shot at Voodoo customers.

Whether you like a company or not; think it is over priced or not; or whatever your opinion - keep the bashing of the company and/or its customers out of these forums.

For the user who brought this to my attention - I apologize for not catching it earlier. I try to catch things like this, but I don't catch everything. Even when I post a comparison between companies, I try my best to ensure it is not in negative fashion.

All… please help me to ensure that the Hypersonic forums remain a place for all owners, (Hypersonic, Sager, Dell, Alienware, Voodoo, Toshiba, etc) can communicate. Because you never know what you are going to own next and someone from another thread may just provide that assistance to you (since I do own two dells, a Compaq, an HP as well as the Hypersonic).

Thanks.

I wish more people were as level-headed as you present yourself on these forums, ratmyr. Cheers!

listen to ratmyr he knows what he is talking about

base price on the cx7 dropped $36 today.

I have been offline for a few weeks, and in catching up on the different threads here, I noticed this post.
I bought an EX7 last year and began having problems with it immediatly. I didn't buy an extended warranty, in the naive thinking that a 4200 dollar plus machine would be well built and dependable. I inquired with Hypersonic about purchasing an extended warranty about two months after I received my machine. I was told that I should have bought it at the time of purchase. They will not sell it to you afterwards.
I have owned and used several cheaper laptops like Compaq's, HPs and Panasonic's. I never had a need for an extended warranty, and now I regret not buying one from Hypersonic.