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post #21 of 126
Thread Starter 
Not a stipid question at all. There was a day (long ago) that I didn't know the answer to that.

Yes you can do it with out losing any data. It is adviseable to back up any unreplaceable data in the event that something unforseen goes wrong (anythings possible).

It creates a restoration CD and it's bootable (kind of has to be bootable to constitute being a restoration CD).
post #22 of 126
Should you want to reformat it the moment you get it and do whatever you want (such as NTFS, dual booting, partitioning fun), Acer wouldn't stop you - correct?
post #23 of 126

how lap friendly ?

Hey,

really nice review. I liked the pictures a lot, very clear and great angles.

Right now I am debating between this and the T60p 15inch flexview all loaded. With EPP, the price is going to come down to what the 8204 is going for now.

Both machines have their pluses and minuses but it seems like the ACER fan base is growing while the IBM/Lenovo fan base is shrinking. Anyways, I have a few questions for you regarding the 8204 and Acer itself.

a) You mentioned that the laptop gets warm on the right bottom only, have you tried putting it on your lap and working on it and see if it is comfortable or not ?

b) How do you think having one vent for heat loss is going to affect the longivity of the laptop. Have you tried monitoring the temperature of cpu, the graphics chip and the hdd using utilities like SpeedFan ?

c) What is your take on Acer's customer service regarding product support.

d) Last but not least, will you consider dual booting the machine into Win 2k for example and see if that will let the battery last longer than 3.5 hrs. I am wondering if the ACPI power issue is only limited to XP or it spans across all MS hardware. what do you think ?

thanks for taking the time in answering my questions.

later
post #24 of 126
Thread Starter 
Thank you. Glad you liked my review.

a) Sure have. It feels fine when it's on my lap.

b) I think it will hold up fine. It doesn't appear/feel to be over heating at all. I actually expected it to with only 1 vent. I tried Centrino Hardware Control because I was curious about the temps, but it does not support Dual Core processors and crashed my system hard. I posted a warning about it. I totally forgot about SpeedFan to be honest with you. I will see if it works.

c) I have never had to call Acer customer service with this or my Acer Aspire 2020. I've heard they're decent. I certainly haven't heard bad bad things like you hear with Dell, Gateway, and the like. Although I kind of like Gateway customer service, for me they were always extremely friendly and helpful. I can't stand Dell's customer service.

d) I probably won't be able to do that. At least not right now. I have too many large projects I'm currently working on. The thought had crossed my mind though because from what I read it should extend the battery life for sure, since this problem is suppose to be with WinXP SP2 only. I wanted to confirm that to be true. If I get the chance I will try it, but just don't count on it. Sorry. There should be a fix coming down the road soon anyway (I hope).

Hope that helps.

Good luck!
post #25 of 126
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8204 CPU temps

Ok, the SpeedFan is ironically enough not detecting the Fans. It is however registering the HD and it's running at a solid 35c-36c no matter what I'm doing. The processor runs at a solid 35c on battery and under load and with the processor set to High Performance it's at a solid 52c and only fluctuated to 53c once under load. What I did to tax it was start video encoding and then started running some filters in Illustrator CS2. What's cool is the one processor shot to full capacity working on the video encoding and you can see the other is chewing on the Illustrator task. I couldn't catch the hard drive or processor in time but both moved 1 degree and then right back. The second screen shot is after it has had a minute to cool. You can see, no change. Pretty good cooling if you ask me. It was cool to see the two cores going at it and the temp really didn't budge Man I love this thing. My M680 would have went from 62c to 73c in 2 seconds like it was trying to win some temperature race.



post #26 of 126

Temps for 8204

How are the operating temps on the 8204?

I have an 8104 and it runs very hot...without undervolting it averaged 80 deg C under load, and hovers over 55C idle. The fans stay on high when gaming. My Dell M70 with a 2.2Ghz P-M runs massively cooler, never going above 60C. On the Dell the fans rarely if ever go on high when gaming.

How does the 8204 compare?

The 8104's trackpad gets very hot during use. Has this been fixed on the 8204?
post #27 of 126
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I would leave it to you to decide how well it compares. You can reference my results above under load. While gaming the fan can kick on but it's far from loud. I don't usually notice it. Fans are a sensitive issue and I care not to get into them because everyone's sensitivity to them is different. Suffice it to say, I have zero problems with the fans. I am literally right as I type using a dual monitor setup with a bunch of Internet Explorer windows, Firefox, Illustrator CS2, PhotoShop CS2, Acrobat Professional, Outlook 2003 and various other programs and I can't hear a thing coming from it and the temp is still 52c. Come to think of it, I don't remember hearing them kick on when I ran the above test. Anyway, maybe some other 8204 owners would like to chime in too so you can get a broader range of opinions.

Right now the touchpad is not hot at all. Maybe slightly warm. The palm rest to the right of it is slightly warm, I've been using it quite heavily for the last 4 1/2 hours. But I would definitely vouche for niether of them being hot. That would drive me nuts! I probably would have sent it back if that were the case. I gotta be happy with this for a long time. The flames of my next laptop purchase have been doused with the water of my oldest needing braces in about 10 months Who'd of thought with a perfect smile there would be so much wrong on the xrays. Oh well, she needs them in 10 months and after insurance my share is $5,000 Good night nurse! It'll probably be a couple of years before I flip the bill for a new laptop. Glad I got this one now. Few...


Hope that helps.

Good Luck.
post #28 of 126

wow .. really cool

Hey czm2000,

I would buy you a beer if you were in Socal ! Thanks for the info.

52 degrees C is not bad at all.

Enjoy your new toy.

cheers
post #29 of 126
Thread Starter 
...and I would drink it .

Glad I could help.

Good Luck.
post #30 of 126

dual monitor setup ?

Hey,

I was just reading through your post and I had this question regarding your dual monitor set-up.

Since the 8204 is equiped with both DVI and VGA, can you connect two external monitors and run them simultaneously at different resolutions without mirroring.

I did some calculations and I think the video card should be able to handle two 20 inch external monitors (1600X1200 at 60Hz each) together with the 15.4 panel (1680X1050 at 60Hz) all running at the same time. Anyway, this would be really cool if it works! let me know of your thoughts.

thanks again
post #31 of 126
Thread Starter 
I actually have been wanting to try that but the only place I care to is at work since I have 2 additional LCD's on my desk.. The problem is I've been so pusy I haven't had the chance. You're right, in theory it should work and I thought that very same thing. I will update you just as soon as I try it.
post #32 of 126
Hey czm,

Check this link:

http://www.notebookforums.com/forums...light=monitors

Looks like someone sorta got it work on the Ferrari which has the x700 but after disabling the laptop panel

on the positive note, I stopped by a mac store on my way home from work and asked one of the tech guys about this issue and the new macbook pro which also has the x1600 dual-dvi. The guy said he would bet money on the fact that new macbook pro will be able to support 3 independent displays (laptop panel included) once you employ a two way splitter on the dvi connector. Just thought I would share this with you.

anyways, let me know how it goes.

cheers
post #33 of 126
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52 degrees C is not bad at all.
To put it in perspective my M70 running web apps, general apps, and stuff runs around 37C (right now actually). My 8104 sitting next to it idling hovers between 44-55C with the fan coming on at 55 and dropping the temp. Both running at 800Mhz .7v.

My 8104 has never crashed due to heat, but before undervolting would hit 89 degrees running WoW. After undervolting it averages 72C during long gaming sessions. My M70 maxes at 60C running wow. The M70 is big, heavy, bulky and has a dimmer screen, but it sure is cool and quiet.

I was just wondering if Acer improved the thermal characteristics of the new 8200 (especially since the dual core Yonah is a 50w cpu compared to a 27w Dothan). Everyone who has an 8100 has mentioned the hot touchpad...so that was another area I was looking for an improvement.
post #34 of 126
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Originally Posted by mocha_man
Hey,

I was just reading through your post and I had this question regarding your dual monitor set-up.

Since the 8204 is equiped with both DVI and VGA, can you connect two external monitors and run them simultaneously at different resolutions without mirroring.

I did some calculations and I think the video card should be able to handle two 20 inch external monitors (1600X1200 at 60Hz each) together with the 15.4 panel (1680X1050 at 60Hz) all running at the same time. Anyway, this would be really cool if it works! let me know of your thoughts.

thanks again
I just tried this with my new 8204. I connected it to my 2 Dell 2405 LCDs, one via DVI and one via VGA, and I'm sad to say that you indeed have to disable the notebook's LCD to drive the two external monitors. In the Catalyst Control Center, you are not able to enable more than 2 monitors. Here's a screen shot:



The "Next" button is disabled if you have all 3 displays checked.
post #35 of 126

Yonah TDP

Hey katorga,

37 degrees for the M70 is quite impressive, almost desktop like figures. I just want to make a few comments for discussion's sake.

I think the Yonah T series is rated for TDP (Thermal Design Power) of 25W to 49W not a constant 50W as you suggested. The way I interpret this is, Intel intends thermal solutions for Yonah T series to be rated anywhere between 25w to 49W.

Check this article from Toms hardware:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/...se/page23.html

As you can see, the average power consumption of the T2500 is comparable to the M 760 even under heavy loads. So theoretically if (power in = work + heat) holds true and T2500 matches or outperforms the 760 M in most benchmarks, we might propose/guesstimate that the T2500's heat desipation should be less than or equal to that of the 760 M under regular usage.

So yah, the 8204 could have probably benifited if there was an extra side vent from which it could draw IN cool air, but you can make the same comment for the 8104 as well. Why they did not do that,is frankly a mystery to me.

But the 8204 is not bad as it is. I am sure in the next few months Notebook Hardware Control will be updated to work with the new chipset and core duo, and then we will be able to shave off an additional 5 to 6 degrees by just undervolting.

Just my 2 cents, let me know what you think.
post #36 of 126
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mocha_man
Hey czm,

Check this link:

http://www.notebookforums.com/forums...light=monitors

Looks like someone sorta got it work on the Ferrari which has the x700 but after disabling the laptop panel

on the positive note, I stopped by a mac store on my way home from work and asked one of the tech guys about this issue and the new macbook pro which also has the x1600 dual-dvi. The guy said he would bet money on the fact that new macbook pro will be able to support 3 independent displays (laptop panel included) once you employ a two way splitter on the dvi connector. Just thought I would share this with you.

anyways, let me know how it goes.

cheers
Interesting. I'll definitly let you know what I come up with.
post #37 of 126
Thread Starter 
Well I guess that answers that about the Dual monitors plus the laptop LCD. I'm a little disappointed as I already had it worked out in my mind how I was going to rearrange my desk Oh well, Being able to hook up two external monitors is pretty cool anyway. I've never had that flexability before. It's always been the laptop screen and one external monitor.

P.S. My processor is actually running at 32c right now. I guess it does go lower than 36c. I just hadn't noticed. Pretty "cool", pun intended.

post #38 of 126
Hey gizhola,

thanks for your input, I think the Catalyst driver is retarded as it is not allowing us to use the graphics chip to its full potential.

Anyways, I am of to the mac store and secure a bet with the tech guy, now that I know he is wrong.

Hey czm,

your speedfan screen shot shows that you are running in battery mode .. so heat dissipation is going to be very less as expected. but still 30 is very very cool

thanks guys, I will wait for another 2 weeks and buy one these puppies once price/stock kind of stabilizes.

cheers
post #39 of 126
Thread Starter 
I know. Yesterday when I was on battery it was running at 35c. I hadn't seen it go lower until this morning. I didn't mean to imply that it was on A/C and I hope I didn't.
post #40 of 126
Hey czm,

I know you did not mean to imply that it was on A/C but I just wanted to point out the obvious because some people might just miss it. I know I have come to faulty conclusions in the past because I did not factor all the depencies.

I mean look at some of the posts above where people have compared your 8204 at full load on A/C running at 52c to an M70 at 800Mhz .7v running at 37c.

I hope you understand what I am talking about.
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