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Ever suspect WiFi causes cancer?

post #1 of 17
2/12/06 at 7:25pm
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Has anyone suspected that wireless networks (particularly in university dormitories and business networks) have some harmful effects in terms of the frequency of radiowaves emitted? The radiowaves, while weak in comparison to known carcinogenic electomagnetic radiation - frequencies on par with UV, X-ray, and gamma-ray - are nevertheless high. With the move to wireless-G and higher, wireless networks are transmitting an insane amount of information - requiring ever higher frequencies of output.

So, my question is... does having twenty torrents downloaded/uploaded in addition to multiplayer gaming and video streaming going on for most of the day and some overnight ... with all of that data passing through our bodies ... does that affect us?

Don't deny my question as being unreasonable. There has been no scientific study assessing health risks of today's commerical wireless technology simply because it's so new... and I doubt that the products underwent Phase I, II, III trials (the pipeline drugs go through).

To tell you the truth, I switch off the wireless component of my linksys broadband router every night, to insure that I reduce my share of irradiation.

Peace,
duke university undergraduate
cancer immunotherapy
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post #2 of 17
2/12/06 at 7:32pm
I also disable my wireless everytime I turnoff my laptop. Just to be in the safe side.
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post #3 of 17
2/12/06 at 7:32pm
if it does then theres no hope for any of us in urban area's

i dought its any more harmful then cell phones and since cell phones and since they are more widespread than wifi i would think cell phones would cause it before wifi.

another fact just to keep you on your toes: duke has wifi going thru all of their buildings
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post #4 of 17
2/12/06 at 7:40pm
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which is why i'm so worried!!!



Thanks for mentioning cell phones. Isn't WiFi always on regardless of actual user activity versus Cellphone (granted, your cell phone is always communicating with the provider's local antenna station) is more user activated.

Yep, Duke has wireless pretty much everywhere. My laptop has good signal in the library, any bathrooms, basements, dorms, bus-stops, cafeterias, even the Duke Chapel.
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post #5 of 17
2/12/06 at 9:01pm
Wireless internet is a form of cooking.

" WHAT BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS CAN BE CAUSED BY RF ENERGY?

Biological effects can result from animal or human exposure to RF energy. Biological effects that result from heating of tissue by RF energy are often referred to as "thermal" effects. It has been known for many years that exposure to very high levels of RF radiation can be harmful due to the ability of RF energy to heat biological tissue rapidly. This is the principle by which microwave ovens cook food. Exposure to very high RF intensities can result in heating of biological tissue and an increase in body temperature. Tissue damage in humans could occur during exposure to high RF levels because of the body's inability to cope with or dissipate the excessive heat that could be generated. Two areas of the body, the eyes and the testes, are particularly vulnerable to RF heating because of the relative lack of available blood flow to dissipate the excessive heat load.

At relatively low levels of exposure to RF radiation, i.e., levels lower than those that would produce significant heating, the evidence for production of harmful biological effects is ambiguous and unproven. Such effects have sometimes been referred to as "non-thermal" effects. Several years ago research reports began appearing in the scientific literature describing the observation of a range of low-level biological effects. However, in many cases further experimental research has been unable to reproduce these effects. Furthermore, there has been no determination that such effects constitute a human health hazard. It is generally agreed that further research is needed to determine the generality of such effects and their possible relevance, if any, to human health. In the meantime, standards-setting organizations and government agencies continue to monitor the latest experimental findings to confirm their validity and determine whether changes in safety limits are needed to protect human health."

http://www.fcc.gov/oet/rfsafety/rf-faqs.html#Q5

It can cook you. Literally. It has been shown to do this using wireless type internet strength signals.

http://www.fcc.gov/oet/rfsafety/rf-faqs.html#Q5
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post #6 of 17
2/13/06 at 2:12am
can every say, " HUGE A$$ LAWSUIT"

that is if wifi is bad for your brain. the US would crumble, lots of companies would be kaput
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post #7 of 17
2/13/06 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by dlinkin
Wireless internet is a form of cooking.

" WHAT BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS CAN BE CAUSED BY RF ENERGY?

Biological effects can result from animal or human exposure to RF energy. Biological effects that result from heating of tissue by RF energy are often referred to as "thermal" effects. It has been known for many years that exposure to very high levels of RF radiation can be harmful due to the ability of RF energy to heat biological tissue rapidly. This is the principle by which microwave ovens cook food. Exposure to very high RF intensities can result in heating of biological tissue and an increase in body temperature. Tissue damage in humans could occur during exposure to high RF levels because of the body's inability to cope with or dissipate the excessive heat that could be generated. Two areas of the body, the eyes and the testes, are particularly vulnerable to RF heating because of the relative lack of available blood flow to dissipate the excessive heat load.

At relatively low levels of exposure to RF radiation, i.e., levels lower than those that would produce significant heating, the evidence for production of harmful biological effects is ambiguous and unproven. Such effects have sometimes been referred to as "non-thermal" effects. Several years ago research reports began appearing in the scientific literature describing the observation of a range of low-level biological effects. However, in many cases further experimental research has been unable to reproduce these effects. Furthermore, there has been no determination that such effects constitute a human health hazard. It is generally agreed that further research is needed to determine the generality of such effects and their possible relevance, if any, to human health. In the meantime, standards-setting organizations and government agencies continue to monitor the latest experimental findings to confirm their validity and determine whether changes in safety limits are needed to protect human health."

http://www.fcc.gov/oet/rfsafety/rf-faqs.html#Q5

It can cook you. Literally. It has been shown to do this using wireless type internet strength signals.

http://www.fcc.gov/oet/rfsafety/rf-faqs.html#Q5
This is a good thread, never thought of it and this is a decent article.

Remember, energy is quantized in light, with more "intense" light such as UV onto gamma rays having higher levels of energy per level.

RF waves transmit a lot of data, but the photons of energy in RF signals are not enough to cause any real nuclear changes. They are only enough to affect the vibration of molecules which is basically heat as stated in the article.

Heat can destroy parts of your body that are designed to only function at certain temperatures (for example the testes are away from the body because they need to be a few degrees cooler than the rest of the body to function properly).

But since the photons have so little energy really, its not a real danger. Having proper airflow and moving around should allow for heat to dissipate faster than its being accumulated. Most people shoudl be fine.

However, if you're really worried, you can purchase this stylish HazMat suit. Suitable for Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological attacks as well as roving wireless signals. For the discerning consumer of modern electronic equipment.

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post #8 of 17
2/13/06 at 9:25am
I'm not surprised. Using WiFi is similar to using cell phone & prolong usage of cell phones causes cancer too if you guys don't already know it...
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post #9 of 17
2/17/06 at 7:19am
I use my cellphone a lot, near 4000 minutes a month, not including text messages.

WiFi signals are all over the place, friend of mine has a call phone that is WiFi, and it picks up suff all over the place around here, so I am probably screwed.
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post #10 of 17
2/18/06 at 3:02am
if you can boil an egg between two cell phones, wifi cooking my nads doesnt suprise me.

http://www.wymsey.co.uk/wymchron/cooking.htm
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post #11 of 17
2/18/06 at 3:17am
Remember, The delivered power of an RF wave drops with the square of the distance. So, for example, a 1 Watt signal from your cell phone 1 cm from your head is a way more powerful field (to your head) than, say, even a 10 Watt WiFi source 1 meter away.

In other words, between the two of them, I'd be more concerned with your cellphone than your WiFi access point. If you choose to be concerned with either.
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post #12 of 17
2/20/06 at 2:12pm
I choose not to be concerned about any. There's no exact proof that wifi or cellphones cause any damage yet. True, there could be some cases but not a lot
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post #13 of 17
2/21/06 at 3:53pm
I'd be more worried about your neighbour's cordless phone, they emit 100 times more raditation than an 802.11g Access Point.
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post #14 of 17
2/22/06 at 9:04pm
you guys should be more worried about teflon cookware.
something dupont just found out and made public was that when teflon gets heated, 300 degrees and higher, it emits a toxic fume that causes cancer.
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post #15 of 17
2/24/06 at 12:32am
Oh great, that means I'm screwed at Arizona State. There's the campus WiFi then the city of Tempe's WiFi. Double coverage...
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post #16 of 17
2/24/06 at 6:00am
Yay cancer!
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post #17 of 17
3/7/06 at 3:43pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by litdie
you guys should be more worried about teflon cookware.
something dupont just found out and made public was that when teflon gets heated, 300 degrees and higher, it emits a toxic fume that causes cancer.
This fact has been know among Parrot owners for years. Most Parrot owners won't even allow teflon or silverstone pans in their homes because as you mentioned, when heated above a certain temperature, they give off very toxic fumes that will kill exotic birds in a matter of minutes. The extreme bird geeks have been trying to get this type of non-stick coating banned for quite some time with no success.
Ed
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