New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Tronbot's 4080 review

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I've had a Sager 4080 for about a month now. It's a 2.6Ghz with 512 megs of ram and a 60 gig, 5400rpm hard drive. Here are my thoughts:

The screen looks beautiful when it's off. Once you turn it on, it's less impressive. The 4080 has much worse viewing angles compared to my friend's Sager 5670 and my dad's Toshiba A15. Even staring at it dead on, the top and bottom look different. If you center it so the top looks good, the bottom is a little washed out. If you center it so the bottom looks good, the top is too dark. In neither case is it unreadable, it's just a minor aggravation. I've been told that most LCDs are like that, but neither the 5670 (with wide-angle LCD) nor the Toshiba do the same thing. Also, dark colors tend to invert if you lean more than 45 degrees to the side. The good news is that it has a great response time. We played a lot of Counter-strike with my 4080 and my friend's 5670. There was a very slight but almost unnoticable blur on the 4080, whereas the 5670 has very bad blurring. More good news is that I find 1400x1024 to be a great resolution for a 15" screen. Text is nearly unreadable on the 5670's 1600x1200 screen. I can't tell if it's just the way the screen is made or if it's the "glossy finish", but something makes text look smoother on the 4080 than the 5670. Text on the 5670 has very sharp edges. Text on my 4080 has softer edges, like a CRT.

The 5670's and 4080's keyboards feel the same. Both are comfortable, but bend a little bit when pressed. The Toshiba's keyboard much firmer, and actually feels a lot better. It certainly isn't a big enough difference to affect a purchase. The worst part isn't the keyboard itself, but the wrist rest. The 5670 has a very comfortable, sloped wrist rest. The 4080's is not sloped at all so your wrist rests on the sharp corner of the laptop. It would probably be fine if it were at a keyboard-tray level, but since I have mine up on a desk it's pretty uncomfortable.

The 6-in-1 card reader is actually pretty handy since it can read my digital camera's memory cards, but it caused a problem when Windows was installing. Windows decided to make the card readers into drives C, D, E, and F, and then made the CDROM drive drive G. That left drive H for the hard drive. That probably could have been fixed somehow, but it didn't bother me enough to try.

The built-in camera is decent. It requires a good light source and has a lot of latency, but the quality is quite good.

The speakers sound pretty cruddy, but you shouldn't be expecting anything more from a laptop. They're better than the Toshiba speakers. There's some serious interference on the headphone jack, too. Sound isn't this computer's forte. There's a constant hiss when listening through headphones, and certain actions like moving the mouse, typing, or using the hard drive cause quiet clicking.

One more complaint: the fan. The fan is way too loud and whiny. I can't take this thing to class with me because it'll disturb everyone, and there doesn't seem to be a way to turn the fan off. I really wish there were a way to run it at a lower speed. This is a good place to note that it is HOT. HOT HOT HOT. It idles between 50 and 60C.

I bought a 140 watt power inverter to use the laptop in the car. I used it for a few hours without any problems. Luckily, it isn't too hot to keep in your lap.

For those of you who care, Linux also works well with it. I'm going to make another post in the Linux forum detailing what I had to do to get it working.

I don't have much to say about the performance since I don't do benchmarks. Basically, it feels fast. It runs Prince of Persia and Need for Speed Underground without any problem, and it compiles programs faster than my 1.4GHz desktop. Hard drive intensive tasks are very slow. The CPU gave the same imaginary numbers that Sisoft Sandra says it should, if that makes you feel any better. I haven't timed it, but battery life seems to be about 1.5 hours.

I emphasized all the little problems in this review, but overall the computer is really amazing. Beyond those few little quirks, it's perfect. It definitely blows away my desktop. Really, the thing I hate the most about the laptop is the cooling fan, and that's a really minor problem. If you're looking for a really powerful laptop and don't need all the fancy extras of the other models, the 4080 is a great deal.

Edit:
Forgot to mention: The viewing angles get better as you get farther away. People standing behind me never have a problem seeing it.
post #2 of 17
Nice review, I'm considering a 4080 to an extent, the battery life is the downer though, but then again, what else can I expect? :]
post #3 of 17
Great review Tronbot!
BTW: You can change the drive letter assignments under Disk Management in Administrative Tools. Right click <My Computer> click <Manage> Click <Disk Management> Right click the volume you want to change and click "Change Drive Letter and Paths"
post #4 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by tronbot
The screen looks beautiful when it's off. Once you turn it on, it's less impressive. The 4080 has much worse viewing angles compared to my friend's Sager 5670 and my dad's Toshiba A15. Even staring at it dead on, the top and bottom look different. If you center it so the top looks good, the bottom is a little washed out. If you center it so the bottom looks good, the top is too dark. In neither case is it unreadable, it's just a minor aggravation.
Tronbot, thanks for the review. I'm a bit surprised by your comments regarding the screen. I too have recently purchased the 4080, and I've only had it about a week; however, I haven't noticed any of the problems you seem to describe with viewing. Take a look at my review and the pics of my screen shots. I'm actually amazed at how clear and crisp the screen is even from an angle. The only time I have viewing problems is if I'm looking at it from above. Is it possible that you got a defective LCD? Maybe some of the more senior members of the forum can chime in on this possibility.
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=13664


Quote:
Originally Posted by tronbot
There's a constant hiss when listening through headphones, and certain actions like moving the mouse, typing, or using the hard drive cause quiet clicking.
I agree the speakers aren't the greatest, but I don't have the problem you describe here either. This definitely sounds as if something is connected improperly or defective. I'd check with Sager on that problem.

Anyway, glad to hear you're otherwise enjoying the machine

-Ken
post #5 of 17
On the screen thing inverting colours that is probably due to your system having a Philips LCD in it. When I was looking at external LCDs for my 8890, I noticed the Philips models suffered from this problem quite a lot - turned me off them totally. The other 4080s may be shipping with a different (Sharp I think) LCD.
post #6 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pomacea
Tronbot, thanks for the review. I'm a bit surprised by your comments regarding the screen. I too have recently purchased the 4080, and I've only had it about a week; however, I haven't noticed any of the problems you seem to describe with viewing. Take a look at my review and the pics of my screen shots.
edit: i thought wrong?

i think you can notice that screen problem in http://www2.hawaii.edu/~khayes/sager/ccrt.jpg

on my screen, the white looks yellowish on the default ati color settings. i have to set the brightness to -100. i'm still trying to find the best settings at http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=13440 but haven't gotten any replies yet.
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
On the screen thing inverting colours that is probably due to your system having a Philips LCD in it. When I was looking at external LCDs for my 8890, I noticed the Philips models suffered from this problem quite a lot - turned me off them totally. The other 4080s may be shipping with a different (Sharp I think) LCD.
Linux detects it as a Samsung if that means anything to you.

Quote:
i think you can notice that screen problem in http://www2.hawaii.edu/~khayes/sager/ccrt.jpg
Yep, that's what it looks like. It's not as bad as it is in that picture though. Like I said, it's just a minor annoyance. This is my first LCD screen, so I'm especially aware of all the little differences between it and CRTs. It is mostly noticable on solid, dark colors. Black text on a white background doesn't invert no matter where I go.

Quote:
I agree the speakers aren't the greatest, but I don't have the problem you describe here either. This definitely sounds as if something is connected improperly or defective. I'd check with Sager on that problem.
It's very quiet. Music drowns it out. If you just plug in head phones and turn it up you don't hear any static? It happens on my friend's 5670 also, so I figure it's just an effect of everything being crammed together.

By the way, my dad just used my laptop for the first time, and the first thing he said was, "wow, nice screen!"
post #8 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by yyy
i think you can notice that screen problem in http://www2.hawaii.edu/~khayes/sager/ccrt.jpg

on my screen, the white looks yellowish on the default ati color settings. i have to set the brightness to -100. i'm still trying to find the best settings at http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=13440 but haven't gotten any replies yet.
Take a look at the other screen shots. You happen to pick the one that I took from a slight angle above the screen with the screen pushed back. If this is what tronbot and you are referring to then all you need to do is pull your screen forward to a better viewing angle. It doesn't show up in the other screen shots. This doesn't seem to be the same problem that you are referring to.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tronbot
Even staring at it dead on
This indicates that tronbots screen looks like this regardless of the angle, and that is not the case with my screen.


As aussie said, it is possible we have screens from different manufacturers. Who knows?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tronbot
It's very quiet. Music drowns it out. If you just plug in head phones and turn it up you don't hear any static?
I haven't tried it without music. Interesting, I'll give that a try today and see if I hear anything. Let you know later.

-Ken
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yyy
i think you can notice that screen problem in http://www2.hawaii.edu/~khayes/sager/ccrt.jpg
That's not the exact problem I have, just a similar look. You can see in that picture that the screen is tilted, but also it looks like the image is a gradient from black to blue. The effect here is more of an uneven distribution of backlight. Colors don't warp or invert like they do when you move far to the side, they just look a little pale and washed out in the bottom inch or two of the screen.

I'll try to post a picture of it later this week.
post #10 of 17
Ok, I tried the headphones & speakers with the volume all the way up and without music, and yeah I hear the hissing in the headphones and a barely noticble click of the HD. I don't hear this without the headphones. Also, I did this same thing with a Gateway desktop and a Dell laptop we have here in the department and get nearly identical results. Seems to me I'd get it on any system under these conditions. Doesn't really concern me since I don't ever have the volume that loud with headphones on anyway. Not quite that old, yet....

Anyway, I'd love to see a screen shot so I'd have a point of reference if I or anyone else has this problem in the future. Thanks -Ken
post #11 of 17
as far as I know, most integrated audio does that hissing if you turn up the volume. Heck, most audio units (computers, tv's, radios, etc) do it if they're not built out of top of the line audio parts. It's almost like the hissing you hear when you press play on a tape deck, the three seconds before the tape starts.
post #12 of 17

They're baaaaack...

Just don't listen to the white noise on a TV set whatever you do
post #13 of 17
open your audio control properties.
tick the mute button on 'CD Audio'
on most laptops I've experienced this interference with, muting the CD Audio almost always kills that interference.
it's a compromise, but if you're not using a CD, it may not be a very big deal to you.

let me know if this helps.

abz
post #14 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by yyy
edit: i thought wrong?

i think you can notice that screen problem in http://www2.hawaii.edu/~khayes/sager/ccrt.jpg

on my screen, the white looks yellowish on the default ati color settings. i have to set the brightness to -100. i'm still trying to find the best settings at http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=13440 but haven't gotten any replies yet.
If you look at that picture it seems pretty obvious to me what the screen in the 4080 is - just a krappy standard notebook screen with poor viewing angles, brightness and response but with a glossy surface - therefore signifcantly below the Sony and Toshiba screens in quality.
post #15 of 17
How do you change the drive letter assignment of your main boot partition?
post #16 of 17
steve are you the same idiot posting things in the compleatly wrong area but using a differnt user name? Try the peer to peer tech support section, not a review.
post #17 of 17
I'd figured out way to make your hardrive as letter C: to do this, I don't think you'd like to do that now since you've owned it for a quite long time now, well anyways, in order to have your hard drive letter c: you have to go into the BIOS setup, and go to chipset setting where you disabled the USB device, PLEASE NOTED THAT YOU've GOTTA DO THIS BEFORE INSTALLING ANY WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM, once you diabled, you may then proceed installin windows, and the it'll pick up harddrive c, after installing, you may just enabled it again, so the card reader will be f: g: c: so on
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Sager & Clevo Notebook Reviews