Ibook?

Maybe give Yellow Dog Linux a try too, infact you can order your system from them with OSX and yd linux dual booted with the ydl disks and manuals for the exact same price as buying from the mac store: http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/st...ware&submitimg[hardware][apple]=1&PHPSESSID=3cc55d23b492119597b47d46eb2a24a8

Apple always seemed like hardware nazis to me though, since most everythings from them, and because in all the ibooks they come with 4200 rpm drives and u cant upgrade until powerbooks :/.

Plus they charge you $130 for an operating system they didnt make.

In all honesty...

Wait.

I love Apple notebooks, or at least their powerPC notebooks at any rate, but at the moment they will be phased out soon. If you are going to get one no matter what, try out Dapper(Ubuntu) on it and see how it runs as it will support the airport extreme with the reverse engineered driver, at least in some state anyways.

And I wouldnt touch the MacBookPro for my intensive audio/video stuff I think I will stick with my powerbook.... Oh wait I already did

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Heh well I would never consider the MacBookPro to be the equivalent of the powerbook as it seems to be based much more towards Buisness users than to Professional users like myself(Meaning Audio/Video/Multimedia Professionals)

Thus I only hope they release a better notebook in the near future, I heard rumors of them holding some conference, I think tommorrow, but now I gotta find those rumors again to confirm.

Seablade

Why would you get a Mac just to run Linux?

Especially considering OpenOffice is available for OS X.

Also, on a current PPC iBook—Intel iBooks might be released tomorrow—neither WINE nor Cedega will run as they depend on an x86 processor. WINE does run on Intel Macs and the Cedega people have pledged native Mac support in the future.

I don't know where you're getting this as the Intel PowerBooks are marketed in exactly the same way as the PPC ones. The only thing holding most pros back is the fact that a lot of the software isn't native yet.

Apple didn't make OS X? I hope they know that cause if it's news to me it'll definitely be news to them.

Mac OS is built off of bsd.

And?

Hmm I knew I shouldnt have bothered looking at this...

Get a strong and durable laptop to run your favorite OS. The Mac laptop is STILL seperate from the OS, and many people prefer linux to Mac, myself included though I still run Mac OS on my laptop currently(At least till Dapper comes out and I get to a point I can afford to abck everything up and reinstall)

Mac OS while being a better OS than Windows, IMO still does not give me the flexibility I enjoy with linux. I am fairly sure from past conversations I am not alone in this. Not to mention there are still many programs I enjoy using in Linux that arent out on Mac.

And of course intel iBooks werent released, it was the Mac Mini. I dont doubt there will be more laptop selection in the next year, it is a question for the original poster to decide on wether or not they want to wait.

Except there are many features, that I believe you and I have already gone over in the Mac forums that are missing from it, most notably for myself the lack of FW800 and/or SATA. The thing holding most Pros back is not the lack of native support, it is the fact that the upgrade just isnt worth it if they have even a fairly recent G4. After my G4 has run its life, I am not yet sure what I will do, the MacBook is on the list, but not with the enthusiasm I had with the G4, has nothing to do with the processor, I enjoy the thought of running a dual core laptop, but more has to do with the feature set.

I realise Mac is marketing this as what appears to be a 'pro' laptop, but I never trust marketing anyways, and have made the judgement call myself based on what features it has vs what I use on a regular basis, many of which it is missing.

It is much stronger as a buisness laptop performer, in fact I see nothing to set it apart from a buisness laptop as a 'pro' laptop.

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However Spincrickt Kakaze was right about one thing, Cedega and Wine wont run on the Mac, for that you would have to use a vvirtual machine ala Qemu or Virtual PC and run the Windows OS entierly. Wine doesnt emulate the x86 hardware required. It uses what is already existing.

That means the kernel and some of the userspace was not made by them, but rather they built on top of it. Depending on what you define the OS as, most people would consider this as being built by someone else.

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a downside to linux on MBP is hardware. much of it is just too new, give some distros (*cough* Daper PPC or yellowdog*cough*) to release the next major version.

Firewire 800...I have a feeling that if the majority of PowerBook users required FW800 that Apple would've done whatever they could to keep it in the design, as such they dropped it. As far as SATA goes: PowerBooks have never had SATA and they've always been considered pro machines. While it would be nice, the exclusion of SATA at this time does not preclude the classification of the PowerBook into the pro category.

As far as the actual OS itself goes...the original kernel was BSD but over the last 20 years any resemblance OS X has to BSD is purely superficial as NExT and Apple have modified the OS to such an extent that it can no longer be considered BSD but a completely separate and unique entity.


EDIT: Looks like the new PowerBooks do have SATA.

Apple themselves still call it bsd and unix: http://www.opendarwin.org/en/about.html

Uh, no...OpenDarwin still calls it BSD.

Apple has this to say on the subject: Darwin: Kernel and BSD
Mac OS X Server starts with Darwin, the same open source foundation used in Mac OS X, Apple’s operating system for desktop and mobile computers. Darwin is built around the Mach 3.0 microkernel, which provides features critical to server operations, such as fine-grained multi-threading, symmetric multiprocessing (SMP), protected memory, a unified buffer cache (UBC), 64-bit kernel services and system notifications. Darwin also includes the latest innovations from the open source BSD community, particularly the FreeBSD development community.

While I don't deny that OS X is based on BSD Unix, it is not BSD Unix anymore thanks to 20 years worth of reprogramming. To say that Apple didn't make OS X is ignorant. While the foundation may have been laid by someone else Apple has taken the foundation and added on to it, repaired it, replaced parts of it, and built an entire house over top.

WINE already runs on the Intel version of OS X and Cedega is supposed to be ported to OS X. Open Office runs on OS X as well.

As far as I know the wireless cards are still standard Airport cards.

Yes, WINE runs without Linux. OS X is Unix based so theoretically all *nix software can run on it.

The iBooks now give you an option to go with a bigger and/or faster hard drive so the Intel ones will almost assuredly offer different sizes/speeds for drives, and since they're moving to SATA the drives will probably start at 5400.